Under a changing sky

[canuckamuck]

5 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

It's not a chart of average global land temperatures during the period you're citing.  It appears to be a chart of glacial ice temperature readings from Greenland.

 

 

I agree. It doesn't change anything though. It shows warming trends and cooling trends. Some much more severe than what we have now. Go back another 10000 years and it makes that chart look like a flat line.

[Lacessit]

1 hour ago, fforest1 said:

The cure is to first realize you have been brain washed with this scare mongering climate change propaganda.......Just keep repeating I am not a Sheeple...

I'm a scientist. Forum rules prevent me describing what you are with sufficient eloquence.

[Nyezhov]

24 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

It's happening, slowly, gradually, all around the world. You're just not paying attention, perhaps deliberately so. You seem to be like the frog who doesn't know any better to jump out of the pot being slowly brought to a boil.

Ive been listening to that since Snake Oil Al used it to make his first 100 million. Chicken Little, chicken little....

 

But hey, Im just an unenlightened stupid Trumpist denier as you would put it.  Screw Miami, Ill move back to Alaska, enjoy the grasslands.

 

Carry on. Ill spend more time worrying about what Temple to hit next...before they all get flooded out. If it happens in my lifetime and civilization collapses, maybe Ill get a chance to wear a leather harness and jock and goalie mask and drive around pillaging in a supercharged 1978 Dodge.

[mauGR1]

6 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

I'm a scientist. Forum rules prevent me describing what you are with sufficient eloquence.

Not sure is a legit question for you, but i would like a scientist to answer this.

i would like to know if there are studies on how to reverse the trend of global warming, how many years would it take to switch from fossil fuels to renewable energy, what the impact on the economy, and after that, how many years for the planet to be clean... All that , of course, without culling 80 or 90 % of the world population. 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

12 minutes ago, Nyezhov said:

But hey, Im just an unenlightened stupid Trumpist denier as you would put it.  Screw Miami, Ill move back to Alaska, enjoy the grasslands.

 

 

Well, I certainly can't argue with your first sentence.

 

But as for your Alaska comment, you're once again proving yourself woefully and predictably uninformed.

 

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Melting ground and sea ice destroying villages

Since the middle of the 20^th century, Alaska has warmed 3 degrees Fahrenheit and its winters have warmed nearly 6 degrees. The predictions are even more dire. By the end of the 21^st century, Alaska’s annual average temperature is expected to rise by about 8 to 13 degrees Fahrenheit compared to the 1960s and 70s if emissions of greenhouse gases continue unabated. The dramatic temperature changes in Alaska are already causing the landscape to change faster than anywhere else in the United States, threatening infrastructure, wildlife, and Native Alaskan culture.
https://www.markey.senate.gov/GlobalWarming/impactzones/alaska.html

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Global warming of 'grave concern' in Alaska

Temperatures continue to rise in the Arctic region, affecting local communities.

20 Dec 2017

 

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/12/global-warming-grave-concern-alaska-171220084852394.html

 

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Barrow, Alaska: Ground Zero for Climate Change

Scientists converge on the northernmost city in the United States to study global warming’s dramatic consequences
Smithsonian Magazine March 2010

 

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I had come to Barrow to learn about ice and climate change from Eskimo elders and hunters and from scientists. For two weeks I’d been visiting northern Alaska coastal villages as a guest of the Coast Guard, and what I’d heard was disturbing. Each year the sea ice was getting thinner and arriving later. Coastal storms have become so dangerous that some villages—lacking the shore ice that used to protect them—will have to be moved miles inland.

 

In one village I watched the Army Corps of Engineers build rock walls to shield against fierce waves. Fish species from warmer waters were showing up in fishing nets. Insects that no one recalled seeing before—such as spruce bark beetles, which kill trees—were falling from the sky. There was a proliferation of flies that make caribou sick.

 

Inland, elders told me, tundra lakes were disappearing, and with them drinking water and nesting grounds for millions of migrating birds. River banks­­—without enough ice to shore them up—were eroding, filling the waterways with silt. When hunters went out after moose, their boats increasingly ran aground in flats.

 

 

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/barrow-alaska-ground-zero-for-climate-change-7553696/

 

 

 

[Nyezhov]

4 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

But as for your Alaska comment, you're once again proving yourself woefully and predictably uninformed.

Uniformed? Do you know how big Alaska is...if the entire coastline flooded 5 miles in there would still be plenty of room for me and my Supercharged Dodge.

 

Who is uninformed now? Grab a contour map, Im sure you can find a great place.

 

PS that article is from 2010. Barrow is still there. 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

12 minutes ago, Nyezhov said:

 

PS that article is from 2010. Barrow is still there. 

 

 Yes, and the other two were current, including one from Dec. 2017.

 

And here's another from Jan. 2018.

 

Obviously, you'll only become a believer when whole towns/cities become submerged.  Well, maybe not even then...
 

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Alaska is warming so quickly that weather algorithms can't keep up

The Arctic is heating up way faster than the rest of the world.

By Sara Chodosh January 9, 2018

 

...we know that climate change is disproportionately affecting temperatures at the poles. It’s warming twice as fast in the Arctic as it everywhere else, which is why sea ice is changing so rapidly up there. That station in Utqiaġvik [Barrow] is one of our only windows into how our northernmost climes are evolving, and it’s changing so rapidly that our algorithms can’t keep up. October, November, and December in particular have been 7.8°F warmer than they were from 1979-1999. The other nine months of the year were 1.9°F warmer, which is twice the increase that the lower 48 saw in that same era.

 

 

https://www.popsci.com/alaska-warming-data#page-3

 

[Nyezhov]

15 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

Obviously, you'll only become a believer when whole towns/cities become submerged.  Well, maybe not even then...

You cant fight mother nature dude. Man is not god (to use shorthand for the unknown nature of the universe), we are just sentient animals. Whoopeee. If we Ludditeited it today, killed off all the human useless eaters (India, China and Africa would be so nice depopulated) and left only the elite to live like the Eloi in harmony with nature walking around in silk robes and saying Ooooom to Mother Gaia, the world would still get warm or cold as the case may be.  Quite frankly, I worry more about glaciers and solar flares but to each his own.

 

Cities become submerged? Oh well that sucks, move.  Not like folks havent moved before. Thats why we have a St Patty's Day parade. The red bellied warbler goes extinct. Cool beans, in 100000 years it may reevolve.  Give me a Chicxulub and Ill give you an extinction. Only the universe is eternal and Im not even sure about that. Id love to evolve into an octopus creature myself. Hell, 300 million years ago, My great grandpappy to the 100th squared was a tentacle worm that looked like a lamprey on crack languidly slithering through warm seas sucking down Trilobite sushi.

 

So pardon me my friend if I chose not to live like a drone whilst some unelected booorokrat tells me to reduce my footprint whilst he lives high on the hog, all to stop the unstoppable.

 

 

[Elad]

26 minutes ago, Nyezhov said:

Hell, 300 million years ago, My great grandpappy to the 100th squared was a tentacle worm that looked like a lamprey on crack languidly slithering through warm seas sucking down Trilobite sushi.

 

You're not wrong there, lets look at Carl Sagan's Evolution in 40 seconds ????

 

 

 

 

 

[manarak]

13 hours ago, Bluespunk said:

What would you say is a common trait of those who make baseless, inaccurate assumptions about others?

hmm... I would guess they have been placated by these other people who avoid discussing an issue disturbing their agenda?

 

[ravip]

Maybe it's time up for the humans to recycle themselves!

After all, they are the sole cause for all these issues. 

[Bluespunk]

1 hour ago, manarak said:

hmm... I would guess they have been placated by these other people who avoid discussing an issue disturbing their agenda?

 

You’d be wrong. 

[mauGR1]

10 hours ago, Elad said:

 

Thank you very much for sharing. A little Gem.

I asked already for the scientists to give an answer, but no answer so far, so i ask again.

 

Suppose the superpowers, America, China, Russia, Europe, India, and all the rest, agree to a common, strict strategy for a strong action to tackle global warming, pollution, over exploitation of Earth resources etc.

 

Well, is it feasible ? ATM Russia at odds with America, America at odds with China, should i go on ?

 

Ok, when the superpowers......       ..... it's going to take a few years, but it might happen... hang on.

 

How then would be the strategy ? It will not be painless, i guess.

 

So far, we have the alarmists screaming from the roof, and the whole world, including the alarmists, keep more or less joyfully polluting the Planet.

 

 

[Stargeezr]

The worst thing countries governments can do is to Carbon tax their citizens

to death. Hey Canada, Aussie land or NZ and some of Europe, quit gouging

your people,  until China, India, Russia, ME, South America and USA start, after they

actually do the tax money grab, then have at it, until then hang your greedy

heads in shame all you rich government jerks.

Geezer

[Lacessit]

20 hours ago, mauGR1 said:

Not sure is a legit question for you, but i would like a scientist to answer this.

i would like to know if there are studies on how to reverse the trend of global warming, how many years would it take to switch from fossil fuels to renewable energy, what the impact on the economy, and after that, how many years for the planet to be clean... All that , of course, without culling 80 or 90 % of the world population. 

The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change in today's ABC news ( Australian ) has predicted that unless ALL coal-fired electricity generators are phased out by 2040, the North Pole will be ice-free, and the Great Barrier Reef will be dead.

I can only point you to previous history. In 1987,

governments signed up for the Montreal Protocol, which banned ozone-depleting substances such as CFC's and methyl bromide.  It is widely regarded as the most successful environmental treaty, as after 30 years the ozone layer has repaired itself. Why was it important? Many more millions of people would be dying from skin cancers if no action had been taken.

It's not possible to predict the trajectory of renewable energy. However, I would say it is similar to what has happened with computers over the last 50 years. In 1970, a mainframe took up the same space as an apartment. Now, you have more computing power on your smartphone. Solar generation and battery storage is on a similar path. Whether it arrives in time is another question. It's not being helped by the wilful obstruction of those beholden to the fossil fuel industry.

The Romans had a lot of useful expressions. One of them is "Duc, sege aut ad viam decede". Translated, " Lead, follow or get out of the way".

 

[Elad]

In the year 2000 CO₂ levels in the atmosphere were measured at 370 ppm. The prediction for CO₂ levels by the end of this century are based on two scenarios:

 

Worst case scenario is where emissions continue to rise at an increasing rate until 2100 and the proportion of CO₂ in the atmosphere will reach about 950 ppm.

 

best case scenario is where emissions continue to rise but at a modest rate until about 2050 then the emissions start to fall, the proportion of CO₂ in the atmosphere will reach about 550 ppm by 2100.

 

It's thought that the future lies somewhere between the middle of these scenarios, and the levels of CO₂ in the atmosphere will be around double what it is now.

 

Also, the GMST (Global Mean Surface Temperature) will rise anywhere between 1.5 ^oC and 6 ^oC, most likely to be about 3 ^oC by 2100. 

[jerojero]

Nothing will improve until Trump and Rebublican idiots are out of Office in the USA and science and worldwide cooperation once again will prevail. Meanwhile...

[Nyezhov]

1 hour ago, jerojero said:

Nothing will improve until Trump and Rebublican idiots are out of Office in the USA and science and worldwide cooperation once again will prevail. Meanwhile...

Yeah put Barak Obama as the SecGen of the UN so the seas will stop rising and the earth will begin to heal????

 

Damn that Trump! I have a hangnail!

[Black arab]

On 10/6/2018 at 7:36 PM, Bluespunk said:

Keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better. 

 

Global warming is a real threat and humanities behaviour is fuelling it. 

 

Youre believing the crap your sold upto you do some research

[Bluespunk]

20 minutes ago, Black arab said:

Youre believing the crap your sold upto you do some research

I have done my research.

 

Get your head out from the ground.

[Chopperboy]

A trillion dollars isn't chump change and no one seems to audit it or know where it goes.

[Nyezhov]

1 hour ago, Bluespunk said:

I have done my research.

 

Get your head out from the ground.

But the ground is nice and warm......try putting your head in the ground in Yakutia.....

[Bluespunk]

2 hours ago, Nyezhov said:

But the ground is nice and warm......try putting your head in the ground in Yakutia.....

Nope, I prefer to face the reality of the situation.