I hate internet paywalls! (Which ones do you go for?)

[Cheops]

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

I'm happy with the paid service. I regret now not doing it sooner. I plan to renew indefinitely. Don't judge!

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If you are happy with the service that you paid for it's money well spent. 

[allanos]

44 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

I have to admit I almost gave up even trying to get correct news.

Syria is a prime example. Who can people trust for accurate news? I guess even 10 sources in that country would have 10 different versions of the truth. And if then the (biased) news organizations print and show a couple of minutes everyday, how should we know the truth?

 

Another prime example was the BBC news about events in Bangkok in 2010. I was here at that time and what BBC and others reported was somehow very different from my experience here. And it seems lots of people who live here agree with me on that one. So now when I look at some BBS news I ask myself: How should I know if that is the truth?

 

And then there are of course "news" about Brexit, Trump, and many other issues. Looking at different news providers on the same day is sometimes like: Are they really reporting about the same event?

 

Hence the need to try to suss it out for oneself!

 

As to the BBC (BBS), it is one of the sources I use to form part of my news spectrum.  However, I do treat their articles with circumspection.  Their reporters and journalists have a distinctly one-sided view about so many things, in my view, and are often at odds with my personal knowledge or observation.  They appear to work to a personal (not even, corporate) bias.

[allanos]

47 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Propaganda. I pay for Thai cable which includes Fox so I get more than enough of that flavor of stuff.

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My post was very definitely tongue-in-cheek!???? 

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1 hour ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Yeah, just like fox "news".

This world would be a lot better if we would have quality news and not all that crap which some people think is news.

I'm Dutch and the Dutch news services are mostly good, free and not censored. As for the Thai news that's all screened and censored before it reaches the public. As for the news on TV.... I'll let you be your own judge on that ????

[connda]

1 hour ago, allanos said:

Absolutely agree with your post.

 

The problem is that all media work to their own agenda; the so-called media bias.  I therefore try to get a more balanced view of world events by reading/ watching my news items from across a spectrum of sources; and then, of course, form my own opinion.

Exactly.

 

When I hear someone state that they are willing to pay in order to get some "real news" or "quality news", what I hear is that person is willing to pay for a media service that acts as an echo chamber and amplifier to reinforce views that they already hold, i.e., they ascribe to the same biases as the publisher. 
It's a heck of a lot different to review info 'across a spectrum of sources' and then engaging in your own analysis in order to arrive at a point where you can see verifiable, fact-based data to construct reality as opposed to simply accepting propaganda at face value.

Edited October 14, 2018 by connda

[Jingthing]

Exactly.

 

When I hear someone state that they are willing to pay in order to get some "real news", what I hear is that person is willing to pay for a media service that acts as an echo chamber and amplifier to reinforce views that they already hold, i.e., they ascribe to the same biases as the publisher. 

It's a heck of a lot different to review info 'across a spectrum of sources' and then engaging in your own analysis in order to arrive at a point where you can see verifiable, fact-based data to construct reality as opposed to simply accepting propaganda at face value.

Wapo is a liberal paper editorially but it along with NYT is without a doubt the paper of record for the USA. It's so much more than just dry news. They cover pretty much everything in the world features and news. Plus they do include conservative opinion pieces of high quality for example George Will. I do concede they don't have much explicitly pro "trump" content per se. For that in the D. C. press people can go to that garbage rag the Washington Times. But Wapo does publish objective info that can be seen as pro "trump" such as low unemployment rates and the stock market going up when it is going up.

 

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1 hour ago, OneMoreFarang said:

I have to admit I almost gave up even trying to get correct news.

Syria is a prime example. Who can people trust for accurate news? I guess even 10 sources in that country would have 10 different versions of the truth. And if then the (biased) news organizations print and show a couple of minutes everyday, how should we know the truth?

 

Another prime example was the BBC news about events in Bangkok in 2010. I was here at that time and what BBC and others reported was somehow very different from my experience here. And it seems lots of people who live here agree with me on that one. So now when I look at some BBS news I ask myself: How should I know if that is the truth?

 

And then there are of course "news" about Brexit, Trump, and many other issues. Looking at different news providers on the same day is sometimes like: Are they really reporting about the same event?

 

That's the point! How do you know it's quality news unless you were there?

 

For me, the free news sites suffice. I don't even follow all the news. Most it will not affect me anyway. If it's big news I will hear it anyway from my wife,  friends, family and my Thai colleagues, oh, and from TV....????

[Moonlover]

BBC delivers all the free news I need.

 

For anything else the words of Simon & Garfunkel apply:

 

'I get all the news I need on the weather report'.

 

 

[jgarbo]

On 10/12/2018 at 7:19 PM, metisdead said:

A post containing a link to a porn site has been removed:

 

3) You will not post about activities or links to websites containing such material that are illegal in Thailand. This includes but is not limited to: gambling, betting, pornography, illegal drugs, fake goods/clothing, file sharing of pirated material, pyramid schemes, etc. Discussion of the above is permitted only as news items, but never as a "how to" topic.

WaPo is a CIA garbage outlet. NYT is also CIA propaganda. The Guardian is UK establishment garbage (check out off-guardian.org to see the real stories and Guardian lies). The UK Indepedent is an illiterate mess but has good movie news. The WaPo's recent "blacklist" of excellent news sites is worth a look.

For real news there are dozens of free sites that offer real information (old journo here). Check attachment. Plenty of honest, hated, uncensored reporting by journos who are not yet eunuchs or semen swallowers. 

HTH 
  

[jgarbo]

40 minutes ago, allanos said:

Hence the need to try to suss it out for oneself!

 

As to the BBC (BBS), it is one of the sources I use to form part of my news spectrum.  However, I do treat their articles with circumspection.  Their reporters and journalists have a distinctly one-sided view about so many things, in my view, and are often at odds with my personal knowledge or observation.  They appear to work to a personal (not even, corporate) bias.

BBC is rubbish, establishment propaganda. They should stick to comedy.

Edited October 14, 2018 by jgarbo

[jgarbo]

14 minutes ago, Moonlover said:

BBC delivers all the free news I need.

 

For anything else the words of Simon & Garfunkel apply:

 

'I get all the news I need on the weather report'.

 

 

Stay ignorant, stay happy, but do not opine.

[jgarbo]

Excellent Thailand coverage: https://www.thenewatlas.org/  Joseph Thomas has the goods.

[jgarbo]

2 hours ago, allanos said:

Have you tried Breitbart News? It's still free! 

But the vaccinations are expensive...

[jgarbo]

30 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Wapo is a liberal paper editorially but it along with NYT is without a doubt the paper of record for the USA. It's so much more than just dry news. They cover pretty much everything in the world features and news. Plus they do include conservative opinion pieces of high quality for example George Will. I do concede they don't have much explicitly pro "trump" content per se. For that in the D. C. press people can go to that garbage rag the Washington Times. But Wapo does publish objective info that can be seen as pro "trump" such as low unemployment rates and the stock market going up when it is going up.

 

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Oh dear...

[jgarbo]

53 minutes ago, BoganInParasite said:

I subscribe to the Sydney Morning Herald, about $14 AUD a month I think.

Why? The news is crap and parochial. It doesn't deserve payment. Hit Crtl+Shift+N - at the same time - on your browser and read it for free. 

Edited October 14, 2018 by jgarbo

[jgarbo]

1 minute ago, hyku1147 said:

Are their journalists citing their sources, are they identifying there own biases - whilst trying to remain objective, when interviewing do they challenge the subject's argument, instead of attacking their personality?

If the answers are "no", then the news outlet is not credible.

You're dreaming. All reporting is biased - it's by humans! Compare biases, work it out and you have a "probable" truth. That's the best you can get, even if you're standing there watching it. I know...

[Jingthing]

WaPo is a CIA garbage outlet. NYT is also CIA propaganda. The Guardian is UK establishment garbage (check out off-guardian.org to see the real stories and Guardian lies). The UK Indepedent is an illiterate mess but has good movie news. The WaPo's recent "blacklist" of excellent news sites is worth a look.
For real news there are dozens of free sites that offer real information (old journo here). Check attachment. Plenty of honest, hated, uncensored reporting by journos who are not yet eunuchs or semen swallowers. 
HTH 
  

Hilarious!

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[jgarbo]

On 10/13/2018 at 10:05 AM, OneMoreFarang said:

I understand paywalls and they make sense. It cost a lot of money to write and publish good information.

 

Until now I only subscribed to a computer magazine online and offline.

 

I read The Guardian a lot and until now they have no paywall. But they want that people donate.

I would even consider donating money to them because lots of information is very good. But then there are some crazy feminist articles and somehow I guess these fanatics are also paid. I really don't want to support these crazy feminists and this is why I don't pay them any money.

The Guardian is an audacious beggar, following the UK establishment, lying, omitting, censoring real news. A disgrace. Check off-guardian.org for what they hide.

[jgarbo]

On 10/13/2018 at 10:20 AM, tebee said:

None 

 

a) I'm a cheapskate 

 

b) I'm a computer geek - in most cases I can find ways round them in less time than it would take me to earn the money to pay the fees - anyway the hacker in me like the challenge.

 

If I did pay for one it would be the FT

Become a member of FT. You get a five? article free read.

[jgarbo]

1 hour ago, wgdanson said:

For all my news, I just come here to Thai Visa. Free !

It's not news, it's comfort. Not the same.

[jgarbo]

8 minutes ago, hyku1147 said:

Please provide citations for your argument.

Check out the BBC "reporting" on MH17. Censored, distorted, false. I'm not teaching journalism any more. Go out and find it you're really interested, if not order another pizza. 

You've got the whole Internet and you're still asking me questions? It's called sloth, one the seven Deadly Sins. That ring on the door, Pizza.

Edited October 14, 2018 by jgarbo

[jgarbo]

2 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Yeah, just like fox "news".

This world would be a lot better if we would have quality news and not all that crap which some people think is news.

News is recent truth. The rest is propaganda. Remember.

[jgarbo]

16 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Hilarious!

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Serious. Any site blacklisted by the CIA must be good. Old rule.

[wgdanson]

12 minutes ago, jgarbo said:

It's not news, it's comfort. Not the same.

Comfort???? Not this past week, with the BE letters and all that. 

Edited October 14, 2018 by wgdanson

[tebee]

34 minutes ago, jgarbo said:

Become a member of FT. You get a five? article free read.

I am, I do. Find i can get access to most of the other articles i want by a combination of accessing from Google search and incognito mode or using multiple devices.

 

Back in the days when I was an equally cheapskate investor , I used to read the physical paper in my local library. 

[OneMoreFarang]

2 hours ago, hyku1147 said:

https://lifehacker.com/get-around-paywalls-with-incognito-mode-1679310015

 

I worked really hard at completing a difficult 'free' IQ test. Upon submission, I get a 20 USD paywall. LOL

I don't do those test. I know I have a high IQ ????

[Moonlover]

1 hour ago, jgarbo said:

BBC delivers all the free news I need.

 

For anything else the words of Simon & Garfunkel apply:

  

'I get all the news I need on the weather report'.

 

1 hour ago, jgarbo said:

Stay ignorant, stay happy, but do not opine.

The O/P asked for an opinion. I gave it

 

Your comment runs somewhat counter to free speech and the freedom to choose and express how one lives ones life.

 

Does it not?

[jgarbo]

6 hours ago, Jingthing said:

If you're just talking about generic AP feeds, you're right.

Content on some sites is very unique and in my view special. 

Someone has always had to pay for it but with print subscriptions going away, ad revenue isn't enough. 

Bad business model, still using print model, will fail. BTW Nothing is very unique, which is an absolute, like dead. Can't be extremely dead...

Edited October 14, 2018 by jgarbo

[jgarbo]

34 minutes ago, Moonlover said:

 

The O/P asked for an opinion. I gave it

 

Your comment runs somewhat counter to free speech and the freedom to choose and express how one lives ones life.

 

Does it not?

An opinion derived from self-admitted ignorance is useless, no? Except to the rabble.

Edited October 14, 2018 by jgarbo

[Moonlover]

26 minutes ago, jgarbo said:

An opinion derived from self-admitted ignorance is useless, no? Except to the rabble.

Do you attack and insult everyone who chooses not to embroiled themselves in the usually biased option of the world media ignorant?

 

In my opinion, yes I maintain the right to express one, that is self-admitted arrogance!