PUBLIC POLL FOR THE GAYS -- How many gay guys have had experiences with ladyboys?

[Jingthing]

Sorry but I didn't mean to offend "straight people" that can't have or choose not to have children and I never mentioned about going to hell. I am expressing my opinion, that you don't see animals being gay or homosexual do you? So why is it supposed to be normal for humans. It is just not natural. No I don't believe that the only reason for love is to make children but that is not likely to happen when you are sticking everything in the wrong places is it?

Actually you do see gay sex among different animal species. But the homophobes find a way to use that fact against gay people as well. So lets focus on humans here shall we?

 

 

Specifically this here is a poll exclusively for men that identify as gay asking about their attraction to ladyboys or their lack of attraction.

 

Please avoid hijack attempts away from that core intent of this poll.

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[Catkiwi]

4 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Actually you do see gay sex among different animal species. But the homophobes find a way to use that fact against gay people as well. So lets focus on humans here shall we?

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Yeah ok, you win but I must not be watching the same type of movies that you do. ????

[Jingthing]

57 minutes ago, Catkiwi said:

Yeah ok, you win but I must not be watching the same type of movies that you do. ????

I don't doubt that.

 

[onthemoon]

15 hours ago, Catkiwi said:

Sorry but I didn't mean to offend "straight people" that can't have or choose not to have children and I never mentioned about going to hell. I am expressing my opinion, that you don't see animals being gay or homosexual do you? So why is it supposed to be normal for humans. It is just not natural. No I don't believe that the only reason for love is to make children but that is not likely to happen when you are sticking everything in the wrong places is it?

I used the Christian vocabulary "hell" because you used "creation". But never mind, we can discuss with reality in mind.

 

JT already advised you that homosexuality exists also in many animal species and is therefore natural, but that is not the point here. The point here is that it exists in humans naturally, and that there is nothing wrong with it. It is wrong to reduce it to "sticking everything in the wrong places" (whatever you mean by "wrong" - you do seem to live in a very sheltered world).

 

I personally don't like the word "homosexual" and prefer the word "gay", to avoid the focus on sexuality. Love is not about sex. If a man falls in love with someone, and this someone happens to also be a man, he is considered gay. (This is simplified to make the point.) Never mind about sticking anything anywhere.

 

Homophobia, on the other hand, is not natural. It does not exist in the animal kingdom. It was introduced in the Middle Ages because the Church needed men to produce offspring so they have many soldiers for their crusades. This homophobia was later exported to the colonies. Some former colonies still believe all the negativism that was created then. 

[Catkiwi]

7 hours ago, onthemoon said:

I used the Christian vocabulary "hell" because you used "creation". But never mind, we can discuss with reality in mind.

 

JT already advised you that homosexuality exists also in many animal species and is therefore natural, but that is not the point here. The point here is that it exists in humans naturally, and that there is nothing wrong with it. It is wrong to reduce it to "sticking everything in the wrong places" (whatever you mean by "wrong" - you do seem to live in a very sheltered world).

 

I personally don't like the word "homosexual" and prefer the word "gay", to avoid the focus on sexuality. Love is not about sex. If a man falls in love with someone, and this someone happens to also be a man, he is considered gay. (This is simplified to make the point.) Never mind about sticking anything anywhere.

 

Homophobia, on the other hand, is not natural. It does not exist in the animal kingdom. It was introduced in the Middle Ages because the Church needed men to produce offspring so they have many soldiers for their crusades. This homophobia was later exported to the colonies. Some former colonies still believe all the negativism that was created then. 

Well, onthemoon, I consider myself far better advised now. Thank you very much for your insightful monologue. How ever you view it and how ever I view it will never change so, let us agree to disagree. Just for the record, I do believe that you have the church, middle ages thing wrong....oh and by the way, what ever you may consider natural, the sticking anything anywhere bit is largely unnatural because that is not the purpose of our anatomical design is it? My opinion....

 

Back to the topic, you don't see animals dressing up in high heels and mini skirts to attract their own gender do you? So, in that respect, I respect your take on Lady Boys not being there for the Gay fellas. 

[onthemoon]

11 hours ago, Catkiwi said:

Well, onthemoon, I consider myself far better advised now. Thank you very much for your insightful monologue. How ever you view it and how ever I view it will never change so, let us agree to disagree. Just for the record, I do believe that you have the church, middle ages thing wrong....oh and by the way, what ever you may consider natural, the sticking anything anywhere bit is largely unnatural because that is not the purpose of our anatomical design is it? My opinion....

 

Back to the topic, you don't see animals dressing up in high heels and mini skirts to attract their own gender do you? So, in that respect, I respect your take on Lady Boys not being there for the Gay fellas. 

About your last paragraph: I don't see animals dressing up in high heels to attract the opposite gender either. They don't dress up, period. If you see the human dressing up as a mating ritual, the videos that JT linked show that animals do use mating rituals and dances to attract the same gender, if they are so inclined.

 

Is that what you meant to point out? My point (and JT's too) is that it does not matter what animals do. We are talking about humans here, and I do not "consider" it natural if being gay is made by nature, it simply "is". You cannot discuss this away with opinion, it's a fact of nature.

 

And you are again referring to the purpose of anatomical design, saying that anybody (gay or straight) who uses anything but the missionary position is acting in an unnatural way. 

 

One of these days, someone will show you the world and you will wake up. I really hope that for your benefit.

[roo860]

Well, onthemoon, I consider myself far better advised now. Thank you very much for your insightful monologue. How ever you view it and how ever I view it will never change so, let us agree to disagree. Just for the record, I do believe that you have the church, middle ages thing wrong....oh and by the way, what ever you may consider natural, the sticking anything anywhere bit is largely unnatural because that is not the purpose of our anatomical design is it? My opinion....
 
Back to the topic, you don't see animals dressing up in high heels and mini skirts to attract their own gender do you? So, in that respect, I respect your take on Lady Boys not being there for the Gay fellas. 

I beg to differ, you do see animals dressed in high heels, and suspenders, and here is a pic of young Flossy from Cardiff.

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[tubby johnson]

On 10/15/2018 at 11:06 PM, Jingthing said:

I don't doubt that.

 

What kind of garbage do you watch in your spare time? Obsessed!

 

So you create a poll just to support your assertion that straight males are homophobes and perverts who sleep with ladyboys, and you feel superior. So a grand total of 7 (lol!) gay and straight people have bothered answering your pathetic little poll. What's the big deal about people's sexuality? Why does it matter to you who other people sleep with? Let it rest.

[Jingthing]

What kind of garbage do you watch in your spare time? Obsessed!
 
So you create a poll just to support your assertion that straight males are homophobes and perverts who sleep with ladyboys, and you feel superior. So a grand total of 7 (lol!) gay and straight people have bothered answering your pathetic little poll. What's the big deal about people's sexuality? Why does it matter to you who other people sleep with? Let it rest.

The poll was in response to a current exclusionary poll that asked the very same question of straight men.

I do not consider attraction to ladyboys perverted. I do consider it to be something that mostly occurs among men that identify as straight or bi rather than gay.

There are many homophobes that consider that a man having an experience with a ladyboy automatically means they are gay. It does not.

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[manarak]

55 minutes ago, tubby johnson said:

What kind of garbage do you watch in your spare time? Obsessed!

 

So you create a poll just to support your assertion that straight males are homophobes and perverts who sleep with ladyboys, and you feel superior. So a grand total of 7 (lol!) gay and straight people have bothered answering your pathetic little poll. What's the big deal about people's sexuality? Why does it matter to you who other people sleep with? Let it rest.

lol.

getting worked up about that topic is very revealing!

 

[dennis123]

People attracted to ladyboys are simply gays in denial or bi-sexual at best, there is nothing straight about them. 

 

The funniest thing that ladyboys told me is that the guys they go with often get <deleted> by the ladyboys, not even the other way around ???? In other words they are just shy walking around with a gay guy, entering the hotel and what not, and are somehow intoxicated enough to think people won't notice that it's actually a ladyboy lol.

 

ps I'm gay

Edited October 20, 2018 by dennis123

[Jingthing]

2 minutes ago, dennis123 said:

People attracted to ladyboys are simply gays in denial or bi-sexual at best, there is nothing straight about them. 

 

The funniest thing that ladyboys told me is that the guys they go with often get <deleted> by the ladyboys, not even the other way around ????

 

ps I'm gay

You're ignoring the MOST IMPORTANT thing about sexual orientation. How people SELF IDENTIFY. There is really very little doubt the vast majority of people that are sexually attracted to ladyboys SELF IDENTIFY as straight or bi. Because the ladyboys present as women. Gay men overwhelmingly focus their sexual interest on men that present as men. 

You say you're gay. I'm a Martian. On the internet anyway.

Interesting as you're gay, that you use anti-gay rhetoric. Bisexual at best. Implying being gay is bad, bi is not as bad, straight is the best. I suppose there are many gay people that have internalized social homophobia to the degree that they become homophobic themselves.

Cheers.

[dennis123]

2 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

You're ignoring the MOST IMPORTANT thing about sexual orientation. How people SELF IDENTIFY. There is really very little doubt the vast majority of people that are sexually attracted to ladyboys SELF IDENTIFY as straight or bi. Because the ladyboys present as women. Gay men overwhelmingly focus their sexual interest on men that present as men. 

You say you're gay. I'm a Martian. On the internet anyway.

Interesting as you're gay, that you use anti-gay rhetoric. Bisexual at best. Implying being gay is bad, bi is not as bad, straight is the best. I suppose there are many gay people that have internalized social homophobia to the degree that they become homophobic themselves.

Cheers.

You're wrong, they don't self-identify as straight, they pretend to be straight, two completely different things.

 

As for anti-gay rhetoric, that's your interpretation I guess as I'm openly gay so why would I imply it's bad ????

[Scott]

Off-topic, untrue, inflammatory posts removed.

 

[Jingthing]

On ‎10‎/‎20‎/‎2018 at 11:44 AM, dennis123 said:

You're wrong, they don't self-identify as straight, they pretend to be straight, two completely different things.

 

As for anti-gay rhetoric, that's your interpretation I guess as I'm openly gay so why would I imply it's bad ????

I agree they are different things. I do NOT agree that's what they're doing. I think it's obviously the TRUTH that the vast majority of men attracted to ladyboys SELF IDENTIFY as either straight or bi. People that self identify as gay overwhelmingly are NOT sexually drawn to people that present as women, in women's clothing, with women's makeup, with enlarged breasts, taking female hormones, etc. If you can't grasp the reality of that, that's your problem. 

[ChakaKhan]

On 10/15/2018 at 12:06 PM, Jingthing said:

I don't doubt that.

 

Glitter with Mariah Carey?   Gigli?  

[kjun12]

On 10/13/2018 at 12:10 AM, NCC1701A said:

oh for god's sake, we had this conversation already. 

 

If it bothers you try some other place.

[nausea]

Catamites, in women's clothing. Nothing new here.

[Jingthing]

51 minutes ago, nausea said:

Catamites, in women's clothing. Nothing new here.

Incorrect. 

[jak2002003]

On ‎10‎/‎13‎/‎2018 at 1:59 AM, AlexRich said:

Any man that seeks "experiences" with ladyboys is not straight ... so no need for the "gay" prefix.

So if a gay guy seeks ''experiences'' with ladyboys his is not gay …

[jak2002003]

On ‎10‎/‎16‎/‎2018 at 9:24 PM, Catkiwi said:

Well, onthemoon, I consider myself far better advised now. Thank you very much for your insightful monologue. How ever you view it and how ever I view it will never change so, let us agree to disagree. Just for the record, I do believe that you have the church, middle ages thing wrong....oh and by the way, what ever you may consider natural, the sticking anything anywhere bit is largely unnatural because that is not the purpose of our anatomical design is it? My opinion....

 

Back to the topic, you don't see animals dressing up in high heels and mini skirts to attract their own gender do you? So, in that respect, I respect your take on Lady Boys not being there for the Gay fellas. 

Take it you are some American Christian?  Are you just a troll? 

 

From you arguments you will only have sex 4 or 5 times in your life... as having sex is for having children... not for fun.  For fun and sexual desire that is not natural in your mind.

 

Also, many gay people don't have anal sex.  

 

You must also never experienced a blow job... as its not designed naturally to go in other places!!

 

Also you must walk around naked in public... as animals do not wear clothes like you say, no mini skirts... even no jeans, coats or socks.

 

 

[jak2002003]

On ‎10‎/‎14‎/‎2018 at 9:27 PM, Catkiwi said:

Well, if you read "real" as normal, excuse me if I chose the wrong words, all species that I know of and perhaps my knowledge is not infinite (haven't seen any trans Hippos or Elephants as yet) , have a male and a female version and I think that the general idea behind those creations is that they are able to pro create. Therefore some bloke with a vagina or some bird with a tacked on willy are no use to any society that wishes to procreate...are they? 

Some animals are both male and female in the same body, some animals, such as male seahorses actually are pregnant and give birth.  Some animals, such as some fish and amphibians can change sex.  Your only value to society is procreation?  What about all the scientists, inventers, artists etc.  Even the Christian religion the priest are not procreating... so what value are they?  Your arguments are flawed and ignorant and show you lack of education and understand of nature and life... and you don't even seem to have much humanity.  Real Christian of you that..  

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

On 10/13/2018 at 2:13 AM, Jingthing said:

Incorrect. Attraction to ladyboys is primarily a straight thing because they present themselves as females. 

 

I just checked the current poll results here for the first time, and they do indeed support what you've been telling folks here for a long time -- that attraction to ladyboys is primarily a straight thing. Which always made clear sense to me for the reasons you've previously explained.

 

And yet, there's that persistent chorus of vocal guys here who continue to insist that anyone who cavorts with a ladyboy somehow becomes gay... I personally don't buy that, but some folks, you're never going to get them to change their opinions.

 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

2 hours ago, nausea said:

Catamites, in women's clothing. Nothing new here.

 

Haven't heard that word in ages. But that doesn't change the fact that the main definition of the term per se has nothing to do with ladyboys and men who may be attracted to them.

 

Back to the dictionary for you!

 

 

[bendejo]

On 10/12/2018 at 6:48 PM, worgeordie said:

I expect the next poll will be , How many are Necrophiliacs and 

where do you get the bodies,and are there any gay Necrophiliacs.

regards worgeordie

 

Actually I knew a gay male couple who acted out a necro fantasy.  Not with a real corpse, but it did involve a bathtub filled with ice, among other things.  I give them credit for being creative.

 

I once lived in a particularly seedy section of a certain US city.  Around the block from my place was a transient hotel that was favored by ex-cons who had been prison b_tches, and they would ply their trade lined up in front of the place.  So here is this black man with a shaved head and goatee in a full-length evening gown, strapless to show off his prison muscles; yeah, he looked ridiculous, but I dare you to laugh at him.  Ever hear how some people have this phobia about clowns?  I sort of developed something similar regarding katoeys.

 

Yeah, there's all sorts of strange preferences and fantasies out there, but sometimes I wonder how this chicks with dicks thing became so internationally pervasive, and yeah, everybody I know who takes the occasional walk on the wild side considers himself straight.

On the other hand I have a friend I've known for years who has always been gay, his preference is east-Asian guys who are very effeminate, never saw him with one in full drag though.  I've always been amused that his boyfriends are more feminine than women.

 

 

[Scott]

On 10/12/2018 at 6:48 PM, worgeordie said:

I expect the next poll will be , How many are Necrophiliacs and 

where do you get the bodies,and are there any gay Necrophiliacs.

regards worgeordie

We had a necrophilia forum, but it was really dead.

[Cryingdick]

I am a gay identified male. i have had sex with ladyboys. I like male genitalia and sometimes find a ladyboy attractive. i do not like sex with real women and usually stay with guys.

 

Not sure why JT is on some bizarre crusade to speak for the gay community at large. Kinsey scale says many people are a shade of this or a shade of that. What does it matter? There is now a quarter of respondents that say they are gay and have had sex with a ladyboy. 

 

So they do exist. Whatever numbers they are in is simply irrelevant. So now there is what equates to irrefutable proof as to the existence of gay guys who will go with ladyboys. Half the fem twinks the gay guys in Thailand go with are in transition to becoming a ladyboy. Ever sleep with a guy and meet them later on in the future and they are now a girl? Guess what that is a ladyboy.

Edited January 8, 2019 by Cryingdick

[Cryingdick]

I was thinking about it further and was wondering why it bothers me that JT continues to insist that you can not be gay and attracted to ladyboys. It is because JT being a gay man should know better than to have such stringent rules as to what defines sexuality. Your presumptions do not define how I identify myself.

 

I also feel there is more of a stigma attached to you if you go with ladyboys. Straights find it a bit strange and then you become ostracized by those in the gay community that label you and would say you are not a part of the gay community because you sleep with ladyboys.

 

The entire thing is a bit hypocritical and divisive. I assume there is more than one openly gay poster out there on TV that has been with ladyboys but doesn't want to openly admit it because of the stigma that stupid polls like this reinforce.

 

it comes across as a form of internalized homophobia in my opinion and does a disservice to the community to continue to harp on about it.

Edited January 8, 2019 by Cryingdick

[Boon Mee]

On 10/13/2018 at 12:13 AM, worgeordie said:

Is this what ThaiVisa has come too ?

regards Worgeordie

Indeed. 

Like PDA's which are not particularly socially acceptable, do we need anymore of this? 

[jaiyen]

This is a pathetic post and should never have been allowed