If you overstay and get busted, and deported

[dennis123]

Do you have to buy a ticket to your home country or can you also book a flight to a nearby country or a little further away like the Phillipines or India?

 

I'm from Holland, would it at least be okay to book a ticket to Cyprus or Greece, or even Germany, or is a flight to my home country the only option?

 

I'm not on overstay right now, I'm just considering my options.

[lkv]

Home country only, and only with Airlines preferred by Immigration, with very limited choice.

 

For example, in a specific case I know of, for a deportation to Austria, the only 2 airlines accepted were Austrian (abt 45K one way at the time), and Ukrainian Airlines (abt 20K one way, with transit in Ukraine).

 

They would not take any other airline with any other transit, and they generally insist on direct flights where available, with national carriers.

 

The other reason for a limited choice is that not every airline accepts to carry deportees (there is a process involved, your passport stays with the captain of the flight until you reach your destination, etc).

 

 

Edited October 22, 2018 by lkv

[dennis123]

6 minutes ago, lkv said:

Home country only, and only with Airlines preferred by Immigration, with very limited choice.

 

For example, in a specific case I know of, for a deportation to Austria, the only 2 airlines accepted were Austrian (abt 45K one way at the time), and Ukrainian Airlines (abt 20K one way, with transit in Ukraine).

 

They would not take any other airline with any other transit, and they generally insist on direct flights where available.

Thanks, some food for thought, probably have to play the poor guy so they allow me to book a flight with a transit then ????

[lkv]

8 minutes ago, dennis123 said:

Thanks, some food for thought, probably have to play the poor guy so they allow me to book a flight with a transit then ????

I've added to my original comment. Not every airline carries deportees. So it's not like you can choose Emirates if Emirates does not want to take you.

If you play the poor guy you will end up staying in IDC endlessly.

 

Immigration decides on the choice of airlines, in the case I mentioned it was only Austrian and Ukrainian, nothing else.

Edited October 22, 2018 by lkv

[blackcab]

38 minutes ago, dennis123 said:

...probably have to play the poor guy...

 

That's not advisable. You will literally be held indefinitely at the immigration detention centre until someone pays for the ticket . And I really do mean indefinitely.

[dennis123]

7 minutes ago, blackcab said:

 

That's not advisable. You will literally be held indefinitely at the immigration detention centre until someone pays for the ticket . And I really do mean indefinitely.

You both misunderstand me, poor enough to only afford a flight ticket with transit (those are usually a lot cheaper than direct flights with KLM).

[lkv]

8 minutes ago, dennis123 said:

You both misunderstand me, poor enough to only afford a flight ticket with transit (those are usually a lot cheaper than direct flights with KLM).

We understood you, but you must understand that Immigration has the final say on the airline options, generally direct flights with national carriers depending on each destination, they are the ones deciding if they accept transit alternatives due to various factors explained above, and if you are unlucky to afford what they demand, you will stay in IDC until you meet the requirements.

Edited October 22, 2018 by lkv

[ubonjoe]

1 hour ago, dennis123 said:

I'm not on overstay right now, I'm just considering my options.

Your best option is not to go onto an overstay and risk getting caught with it.

Not hard or expensive to keep your stay legal if you are from Holland.

[dennis123]

7 minutes ago, lkv said:

We understood you, but you must understand that Immigration has the final say on the airline options, generally direct flights depending on each destination, and if you are unlucky to afford what they demand, you will stay in IDC until you meet the requirements.

You'd think there would be some wiggle room if you have $600 and KLM non-stop charges $1190 and EVA airways $837 non-stop (only two daily flights), with a dozen other flights prices at sub $600.

 

Have to find out which airlines you get to choose from as it appears to be somewhat of a gamble.

[lkv]

1 minute ago, dennis123 said:

Have to find out which airlines you get to choose from as it appears to be somewhat of a gamble.

You're not paying attention.

 

Immigration will tell you what your options are and you have to comply.

 

When I helped someone out of IDC, they would only take take 2 options. That's it. Austrian because it's a national carrier and Ukrainian because it carries deportees.

 

I encountered point blank refusal for any other choices via the respective Embassy at the time.

[dennis123]

3 minutes ago, lkv said:

You're not paying attention.

 

Immigration will tell you what your options are and you have to comply.

 

When I helped someone out of IDC, they would only take take 2 options. That's it. Austrian because it's a national carrier and Ukrainian because it carries deportees.

 

I encountered point blank refusal for any other choices via the respective Embassy at the time.

I don't need to get the embassy involved or is this standard procedure?

[janclaes47]

OP feels his time in Thailand is running out, yet seems afraid to return to his home country.

 

Another quality tourist ?

[observer90210]

I think with all the sensible recommendations here, if the OP stays on and gets busted in Thailand, sorry....but it will really be solely your fault dear fellow.

 

Try Spain...sunny, cristal clean beaches, cheap pussy and booze, and less visa hassles if you are from the EU.

Edited October 22, 2018 by observer90210

[dennis123]

1 minute ago, janclaes47 said:

OP feels his time in Thailand is running out, yet seems afraid to return to his home country.

 

Another quality tourist ?

Lol just some minor issues from a long past, but I know how small things can blow out of proportions and become very costly all of a sudden. I go back sometimes but I fly to Germany instead and take a taxi across the border just to be on the safe side, all my friends tell me I'm worrying for nothing as it's too long ago but I just don't take the risk.

 

Yeah I do feel my time in Thailand is running out, seeing how people with ED visas still get refused entry, and with this stamp in my passport saying that visas can be refused, I don't want to hop from one embassy to the next to the next, while at the same time spending 25-30k baht in advance on an ED visa. Add to that all my belongings here and the car I bought a few years ago, plus I'm having some serious health issues so I could just as well be dead in a few years, and if not my car will be devalued enough in a few years to let it go without too much of a loss.

 

So I'm like is it still worth all the trouble, not so sure. The fact that Thailand is corrupt to its bone and access to a good lawyer with connections makes me think I would never end up being deported anyway, there's always a way to bribe yourself out of things.

 

Just a small example, I went to Cambodia a few years ago, drove my car to the border at Had Lek, then after passing both sides of immigration I realized I forgot my laptop in my car, not so clever, hooked up with a agent there, paid a few thousand baht, walked me straight through immigration at both sides without a single stamp, photo, fingerprint or whatever, left me alone to pick up my laptop and we went back just as easily, obviously he handed out some money left and right and it was all good. This is Thailand where a little bit of money does wonders.

[dennis123]

10 minutes ago, observer90210 said:

I think with all the sensible recommendations here, if the OP stays on and gets busted in Thailand, sorry....but it will really be solely your fault dear fellow.

 

Try Spain...sunny, cristal clean beaches, cheap pussy and booze, and less visa hassles if you are from the EU.

It's kind of cold in Spain during the winter months isn't it? I did consider living in Spain but that was a long time ago already, after that completely forgot about it but yes Spain wouldn't be that bad, or Cyprus or Malta.

 

You know why I picked Thailand? One reason only, I LOVE casinos, and there is none here, besides some illegal ones that I don't want to know the locations of. I'd long be broke if I lived in a country with casinos lol. My worse habit! There are online casinos but I'm not attracted to that. Thailand is a life saver for that reason only!

Edited October 22, 2018 by dennis123

[dennis123]

Anyway, someone suggested a great idea, if they fly me back to Amsterdam I won't pass immigration but buy a ticket to wherever I want to go so no worries which airplane would carry me.

 

Problem solved!

[wgdanson]

11 minutes ago, dennis123 said:

It's kind of cold in Spain during the winter months isn't it? I did consider living in Spain but that was a long time ago already, after that completely forgot about it but yes Spain wouldn't be that bad, or Cyprus or Malta.

 

You know why I picked Thailand? One reason only, I LOVE casinos, and there is none here, besides some illegal ones that I don't want to know the locations of. I'd long be broke if I lived in a country with casinos lol. My worse habit! There are online casinos but I'm not attracted to that. Thailand is a life saver for that reason only!

Do you think you are not taking a gamble on simply living here? 

[Vacuum]

Why don't you leave right now before you're on overstay? That way you could choose the destination and flight company.

[sometimewoodworker]

17 hours ago, dennis123 said:

Anyway, someone suggested a great idea, if they fly me back to Amsterdam I won't pass immigration but buy a ticket to wherever I want to go so no worries which airplane would carry me.

 

Problem solved!

You really haven't thought that through have you?

 

You can't get a boarding pass without checking in. There are no check in desks airside. Most airports separate inbound passengers the only ones airside who can cross are transit passengers.

 

The only chance is if Dutch immigration isn't interested in you, they are notified of passenger lists by the airlines, you have no Check-in baggage, and there is an airline that accepts electronic boarding passes and you can buy a ticket online for the same day.

 

But if Dutch immigration does want you you are screwed because they will collect you from the plane before any one else is allowed off.

if the don't want you then there is no problem flying somewhere else but no point in staying airside even if you can.

[JackThompson]

Overstay is considered a "big deal" here now - not like the old-days.  My advise to anyone on overstay - best to avoid arrest and IDC, and bans (or longer bans) by leaving now by air (not to Laos - Malaysia would work), pay the fine at the airport, get a new passport from your embassy at your destination, then get Visas from Thai Consulates to stay in Thailand legally, and use friendly land-borders to enter the country.  The new passport won't erase the overstay from the TI database, but could help with getting visas from consulates abroad. 

 

 

Edited October 23, 2018 by JackThompson

[1FinickyOne]

18 hours ago, dennis123 said:

It's kind of cold in Spain during the winter months isn't it? I did consider living in Spain but that was a long time ago already, after that completely forgot about it but yes Spain wouldn't be that bad, or Cyprus or Malta.

 

You know why I picked Thailand? One reason only, I LOVE casinos, and there is none here, besides some illegal ones that I don't want to know the locations of. I'd long be broke if I lived in a country with casinos lol. My worse habit! There are online casinos but I'm not attracted to that. Thailand is a life saver for that reason only!

Good for you trying to avoid your addictions, but seems you are not far from broke anyway... but you seem quite smart and capable of planning, why not try working so you can afford to live a normal life somewhere, anywhere, instead of one step ahead of detention centers.

 

Sure, you don't need my advice... 

[Kurtf]

In my opinion anyone that overstays his/her visa for any reason other than being hospitalized is a complete jerk and should be deported post haste.

[Nanaplaza666]

Are you the dennis that got lost for a few days, and then turned up magically in pattaya , and is now thinking about staying longer because of the nice beaches and tempels . ????????????

[Suradit69]

1 hour ago, kenk24 said:

but you seem quite smart and capable of planning

Based on what?

[lkv]

21 hours ago, dennis123 said:

Anyway, someone suggested a great idea, if they fly me back to Amsterdam I won't pass immigration but buy a ticket to wherever I want to go so no worries which airplane would carry me.

 

Problem solved!

I'm really not following you, but you will not be in posession of your own passport until you reach Amsterdam.

 

You must understand that you are being escorted by a plain clothes Immigration officer all the way through checkin, airside, and onto the plane, and your passport will be given to the captain of the flight, and returned to you in Amsterdam.

 

It's a special process, and most airlines do not participate in it just because you are willing to pay airfare.

 

As you have been advised on the closed thread, the national carrier (in this case KLM), has to take you your home country, and the choice of other airlines carrying deportees is very limited.

Edited October 23, 2018 by lkv

[jrjrjr]

23 hours ago, dennis123 said:

You both misunderstand me, poor enough to only afford a flight ticket with transit (those are usually a lot cheaper than direct flights with KLM).

 

Eva air direct flight to Amsterdam is one of the cheapest of any flights to EU, don't you know this ?

 

 

[jrjrjr]

21 hours ago, dennis123 said:

Lol just some minor issues from a long past, but I know how small things can blow out of proportions and become very costly all of a sudden. I go back sometimes but I fly to Germany instead and take a taxi across the border just to be on the safe side, all my friends tell me I'm worrying for nothing as it's too long ago but I just don't take the risk.

 

Yeah I do feel my time in Thailand is running out, seeing how people with ED visas still get refused entry, and with this stamp in my passport saying that visas can be refused, I don't want to hop from one embassy to the next to the next, while at the same time spending 25-30k baht in advance on an ED visa. Add to that all my belongings here and the car I bought a few years ago, plus I'm having some serious health issues so I could just as well be dead in a few years, and if not my car will be devalued enough in a few years to let it go without too much of a loss.

 

So I'm like is it still worth all the trouble, not so sure. The fact that Thailand is corrupt to its bone and access to a good lawyer with connections makes me think I would never end up being deported anyway, there's always a way to bribe yourself out of things.

 

Just a small example, I went to Cambodia a few years ago, drove my car to the border at Had Lek, then after passing both sides of immigration I realized I forgot my laptop in my car, not so clever, hooked up with a agent there, paid a few thousand baht, walked me straight through immigration at both sides without a single stamp, photo, fingerprint or whatever, left me alone to pick up my laptop and we went back just as easily, obviously he handed out some money left and right and it was all good. This is Thailand where a little bit of money does wonders.

 

When I forgot something in my car after both side stamps, I just walked back alone to get it without talking to anyone, so I wonder why you would need to pay for that...

 

 

 

 

[FritsSikkink]

On ‎10‎/‎22‎/‎2018 at 1:55 PM, dennis123 said:

You'd think there would be some wiggle room if you have $600 and KLM non-stop charges $1190 and EVA airways $837 non-stop (only two daily flights), with a dozen other flights prices at sub $600.

 

Have to find out which airlines you get to choose from as it appears to be somewhat of a gamble.

Don't overstay, then you don't have to find out anything.

[FritsSikkink]

22 hours ago, dennis123 said:

Anyway, someone suggested a great idea, if they fly me back to Amsterdam I won't pass immigration but buy a ticket to wherever I want to go so no worries which airplane would carry me.

 

Problem solved!

BS, they take your passport, give it to the flight crew and you get it back at Schiphol. Before your flight you stay in detention at the airport.

[Jingjock]

No pity from me, you know the rules here, you do the crime, you do the time, whether buying your ticket or making IDC your future home.