webfact Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 Synagogue massacre suspect in court; Trump to visit grieving Pittsburgh By Chriss Swaney and Jessica Resnick-Ault People gather for a candlelight vigil held following a shooting at a Pittsburgh synagogue, in Queens, New York, U.S., October 29, 2018. REUTERS/Jeenah Moon PITTSBURGH (Reuters) - Shackled to a wheelchair, the man accused of shooting 11 worshippers to death at a Pittsburgh synagogue made a stony-faced and largely silent appearance on Monday in a federal courtroom, where he was ordered held without bond for the deadliest attack ever on America's Jewish community. Robert Bowers, 46, wounded in a gunfight with police on Saturday at the Tree of Life synagogue before his arrest, acknowledged the 29 charges against him, including violation of U.S. civil rights laws in what federal prosecutors are treating as a hate crime. If convicted, he could face the death penalty. The judge ordered Bowers, who has a history of posting anti-Semitic material online, held in a federal detention centre and assigned a court-appointed defence attorney. His next hearing was set for Thursday. The synagogue massacre has heightened debate over the rhetoric U.S. President Donald Trump uses, with critics saying it has fostered a climate of political hostility and encouraged right-wing extremism. The president and first lady planned to travel on Tuesday to Pennsylvania to "express the support of the American people and grieve with the Pittsburgh community," White House press secretary Sarah Sanders said at a briefing. The Trump administration has rejected the notion that he has encouraged white nationalists and neo-Nazis who have embraced him, but a group of Jewish leaders told Trump in an open letter on Monday that he was "not welcome in Pittsburgh until you fully denounce white nationalism." Tree of Life Rabbi Jeffrey Myers, however, said on ABC on Monday that the president of the United States is always welcome to visit. TOXIC ELECTION CAMPAIGN Trump's visit will take place just a week before the hotly contested Nov. 6 congressional elections, which will determine if Trump's Republicans keep a majority in Congress. His appearance in Pittsburgh also will coincide with the first funerals for some of the slain worshippers. Myers and other speakers at a memorial service on Sunday night for victims of the synagogue shooting used the occasion to decry a rise in toxic political discourse widely seen as conducive to violence. Trump previously drew condemnation from Democrats and Republicans alike for saying that "many sides" were to blame for violence that erupted last year during a "Unite the Right" rally in Charlottesville, Virginia, and during a torch-lit march the night before by hundreds of right-wing demonstrators chanting "white lives matter" and "Jews will not replace us." Bowers is accused of storming into the Tree of Life temple in Squirrel Hill, a neighbourhood that is the heart of Pittsburgh's close-knit Jewish community, yelling, "All Jews must die" as he opened fire on members of three congregations holding Sabbath prayer services there on Saturday morning. In addition to the 11 mostly elderly worshippers who were killed, six people, including four police officers who confronted the gunman, were wounded before the suspect surrendered. Two of the surviving victims remained hospitalized in critical condition. "Robert Bowers murdered 11 people who were exercising their religious beliefs," U.S. Attorney Scott Brady said after the arraignment, adding that a grand jury would hear details of the crime within 30 days. TEAM OF SHARPSHOOTERS Bowers' arraignment was marked by a heavy security presence that included police officers with dogs and a team of sharpshooters at the federal court in Pittsburgh. Wearing a blue sweatshirt, grey sweatpants, sandals and white socks, with a crewcut and bald spot, Bowers remained expressionless throughout the short hearing. Bowers said nothing during the proceedings except to give his name, acknowledge he understood the charges against him and that he lacked funds to pay for an attorney. He spoke in a calm voice and signed the papers handed to him with a steady hand. Only at the end of the hearing when he was wheeled out of the courtroom did Bowers appear unsettled, turning his head in apparent confusion. According to an affidavit filed in the case by the Federal Bureau of Investigation, three handguns and an AR-15 rifle were recovered at the scene. The complaint quoted Bowers as saying to one law enforcement officer, in substance, "They're committing genocide to my people." He was also quoted as saying, "I just want to kill Jews." (Reporting by Jessica Resnick-Ault; Writing by Steve Gorman and Nick Zieminski; Editing by Bill Tarrant and Cynthia Osterman) -- © Copyright Reuters 2018-10-30 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DM07 Posted October 30, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted October 30, 2018 The last guy on God's green Earth, I would want to see, if friend or family of mine, were among the victims! He is -at least in parts- to blame for this! Disgusting hypocrite. 8 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redline Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 His staff had to convince him to go. He's thinking~what's in it for me? 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post sanemax Posted October 30, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted October 30, 2018 7 hours ago, DM07 said: The last guy on God's green Earth, I would want to see, if friend or family of mine, were among the victims! He is -at least in parts- to blame for this! Disgusting hypocrite. Apart from the fact that the shooter didnt vote for Trump and the shooter despised Trump , lets blame it on Trump, anyway 3 1 2 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post atyclb Posted October 30, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted October 30, 2018 2 minutes ago, sanemax said: 7 hours ago, DM07 said: The last guy on God's green Earth, I would want to see, if friend or family of mine, were among the victims! He is -at least in parts- to blame for this! Disgusting hypocrite. Apart from the fact that the shooter didnt vote for Trump and the shooter despised Trump , lets blame it on Trump, anyway tv forum is generally not the venue for reason, logic and or fact. 3 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Slip Posted October 30, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted October 30, 2018 2 minutes ago, sanemax said: Apart from the fact that the shooter didnt vote for Trump and the shooter despised Trump , lets blame it on Trump, anyway They have the advocation of white-supremacy in common. 5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post sanemax Posted October 30, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted October 30, 2018 1 minute ago, Slip said: They have the advocation of white-supremacy in common. No they dont , anyway, lets get back on topic and stop using this massacre to bash Trump 1 1 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Popular Post Slip Posted October 30, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted October 30, 2018 37 minutes ago, sanemax said: No they dont , anyway, lets get back on topic and stop using this massacre to bash Trump 3 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Popular Post joecoolfrog Posted October 30, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted October 30, 2018 1 hour ago, sanemax said: No they dont , anyway, lets get back on topic and stop using this massacre to bash Trump Though defending him is fine apparently !!! 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanemax Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 27 minutes ago, Slip said: Could you write your own replies ? if I wish to answer tweets , I will join twitter 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DM07 Posted October 30, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted October 30, 2018 1 hour ago, sanemax said: Apart from the fact that the shooter didnt vote for Trump and the shooter despised Trump , lets blame it on Trump, anyway He called participants of a nazi-rally "fine people"! Now where is the connection between Nazis and Jews...I can't quiet figure it out! Also the Trump- friendly "real news media" (Fox and Info Wars) names George Sorros as one of the great evils of our time and George Sorros iiiiiiiis.... Spare me the fake outrage! 5 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanemax Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 (edited) 13 minutes ago, DM07 said: He called participants of a nazi-rally "fine people"! Now where is the connection between Nazis and Jews...I can't quiet figure it out! Also the Trump- friendly "real news media" (Fox and Info Wars) names George Sorros as one of the great evils of our time and George Sorros iiiiiiiis.... Spare me the fake outrage! No he didnt , what he meant was that there were some fine people there (apart from the Nazis ). "You had some very bad people in that group, but you also had people that were very fine people, on both sides," Trump said. Edited October 30, 2018 by sanemax addition 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Srikcir Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 3 hours ago, Redline said: His staff had to convince him to go. He's thinking~what's in it for me? With an 11-rally itinerary set for the end of the week, there was little flexibility in the President's schedule to delay his visit after all the burials. Trump believes that the pipe bomber, along with the synagogue mass shooting, is slowing Republican momentum in the final week of the midterm election campaign. https://edition.cnn.com/2018/10/30/politics/donald-trump-pittsburgh-visit-rhetoric/index.html Winning takes precedent. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tug Posted October 30, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted October 30, 2018 Stay home Donald they don’t want you there and you won’t have to worry about a bad hair day 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post attrayant Posted October 30, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted October 30, 2018 2 hours ago, sanemax said: Apart from the fact that the shooter didnt vote for Trump and the shooter despised Trump , lets blame it on Trump, anyway He went to Trump rallies and wore the mark of the idiot (red maga hat). What is worse, the maga-bomber found a father figure in Trump: "Mr. Trump’s angry rhetoric and his appeals to the “forgotten man and woman” during the 2016 campaign seemed to strike a deep chord with Mr. Sayoc, whose father had abandoned the family when he was a child. "He was looking for some type of parental figure and being a loner, being an outcast, being the kind of person Trump speaks to, I think he was attracted to Trump as a father figure," Mr. Lowy said." If there was any kind of friction between the maga-bomber and his would-be father-in-law, it was that Trump wasn't extreme enough for him. "On Twitter and Facebook, he [...] praised President Trump and conservative causes." and: "His social-media feeds were an electronic version of the white van carted away by law-enforcement officials on Friday morning, which was covered in stickers praising Mr. Trump" Can you cite several examples of how he despised Trump? 6 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jingthing Posted October 30, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted October 30, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Tug said: Stay home Donald they don’t want you there and you won’t have to worry about a bad hair day He shouldn't go. He's not welcome. He's a large part of the reason it happened. He offers nothing in the area of sincere leadership of HEALING as previous presidents have had. Instead -- he makes people angrier, he makes people sick, he divides the nation into a new civil war mentality. But as this nightmare of a president is going, I think it's better if protestors shut up. Why? Because the dark forces of white nationalism that are the key to "trump" continuing to succeed will probably be able to SPIN any such protests to further demonize the "others" that see the harsh truth about the president -- that he's a disgusting, divisive, corrupt, demagogue CON MAN. Edited October 30, 2018 by Jingthing 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jingthing Posted October 30, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted October 30, 2018 (edited) Meet a force of good and reason in the world -- DR. COHEN. Note that he sees the Jew hating obsessed murderer that he treated in the context of how he became brainwashed. Quote ‘I’m Dr. Cohen’: The powerful humanity of the Jewish hospital staff that treated Robert Bowers ... Cohen saved his harsh words for the people he said are responsible for the toxic climate in the country. “It’s time for leaders to lead,” he said. “And the words mean things. https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2018/10/30/im-dr-cohen-powerful-humanity-jewish-hospital-staff-that-treated-robert-bowers/ Edited October 31, 2018 by metisdead Edited as per fair use policy. 1 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roo860 Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 He shouldn't go. He's not welcome. He's a large part of the reason it happened. But as he is going, I think it's better if protestors shut up. Why? Because the dark forces of white nationalism that are the key to "trump" continuing to succeed will probably be able to SPIN any such protests to further demonize the "others" that see the harsh truth about the president -- that's he's a disgusting, divisive, corrupt, demagogue CON MAN. Do you reckon that no matter who is president these mass shootings will carry on as regularly as they do?Sent from my SM-G920F using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jingthing Posted October 30, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted October 30, 2018 1 minute ago, roo860 said: Do you reckon that no matter who is president these mass shootings will carry on as regularly as they do? Sent from my SM-G920F using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app I reckon this one probably would NOT have happened without the SICK rhetoric of hatred coming from "trump" -- specifically his racist demagogue ramblings about poor asylum seekers being INVADERS. 2 2 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanemax Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 55 minutes ago, attrayant said: He went to Trump rallies and wore the mark of the idiot (red maga hat). What is worse, the maga-bomber found a father figure in Trump: "Mr. Trump’s angry rhetoric and his appeals to the “forgotten man and woman” during the 2016 campaign seemed to strike a deep chord with Mr. Sayoc, whose father had abandoned the family when he was a child. "He was looking for some type of parental figure and being a loner, being an outcast, being the kind of person Trump speaks to, I think he was attracted to Trump as a father figure," Mr. Lowy said." If there was any kind of friction between the maga-bomber and his would-be father-in-law, it was that Trump wasn't extreme enough for him. "On Twitter and Facebook, he [...] praised President Trump and conservative causes." and: "His social-media feeds were an electronic version of the white van carted away by law-enforcement officials on Friday morning, which was covered in stickers praising Mr. Trump" Can you cite several examples of how he despised Trump? You are talking about someone called My Sayoc , this thread is about someone else . Mr Sayoc is not the person who carried out the massacre in thus thread , this thread is about Mr Bowers 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
attrayant Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 That's pretty sad when we have so many right-wing nut-jobs that we can't keep them straight. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Becker Posted October 30, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted October 30, 2018 3 hours ago, sanemax said: No they dont , anyway, lets get back on topic and stop using this massacre to bash Trump The thread is about Trump. The clue is in the title. 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanemax Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 3 minutes ago, Becker said: The thread is about Trump. The clue is in the title. This thread is about a massacre , its nothing to do with any Mr Sayoc 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Patriot1066 Posted October 30, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted October 30, 2018 1 hour ago, Jingthing said: Meet a force of good and reason in the world -- DR. COHEN. Note that he sees the Jew hating obsessed murderer that he treated in the context of how he became brainwashed. https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2018/10/30/im-dr-cohen-powerful-humanity-jewish-hospital-staff-that-treated-robert-bowers/ Im not Jewish but give my condolences to those killed and injured. I understood the Rabbi at the Synagogue said Trump would be welcome? There appears looking in from outside plenty of hatred on the left as well as the right? To be balanced in Trump he has supported the Jewish community at home and abroad. However, I was a little moved when I Read the Jewish doctor had given medical aid to the shooter, much more compassion than I would have been able to muster for the murderer of my friends and cohort. Shows there is real and clean compassion within the hearts of some people. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farcanell Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 3 hours ago, sanemax said: You are talking about someone called My Sayoc , this thread is about someone else . Mr Sayoc is not the person who carried out the massacre in thus thread , this thread is about Mr Bowers indeed it is... but it’s getting kind of hard to keep up with the hate fueled violence perpetuated by trumps disgusting rhetoric, aimed at the lower IQ level of the US of T. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farcanell Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 7 hours ago, sanemax said: Apart from the fact that the shooter didnt vote for Trump and the shooter despised Trump , lets blame it on Trump, anyway IM guessing you didn’t excell at the “connect the dots” game that most kids played. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanemax Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 29 minutes ago, farcanell said: IM guessing you didn’t excell at the “connect the dots” game that most kids played. You just blame everything and anything onto Trump without any evidence , so easy to do . *An anti-semite massacred a lot of Jews because Trump labelled 5000 people attempting to illegally enter the USA as an invasion , so, he massacred the Jews because of Trump* Completely illogical 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanemax Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 48 minutes ago, farcanell said: indeed it is... but it’s getting kind of hard to keep up with the hate fueled violence perpetuated by trumps disgusting rhetoric, aimed at the lower IQ level of the US of T. You shouldn't really be stating that others have low I.Q whilst also stating that you are unaware of whom Mr Sayoc is and what hes done and also whom Mr Bowers is and what hes done and the difference between the two . You may have excelled in joining dots , but you didnt do too well in knowing whos who 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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