webfact Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 London violent crime could take 'a generation' to solve It could take a generation to solve London's violent crime problem, the city's mayor has warned. Two teenage boys and two men have been stabbed to death in the city in the last five days, including 15-year-old Jay Hughes. Mayor Sadiq Khan told the BBC's Today programme to "really make significant progress can take up to 10 years". Home Office minister Victoria Atkins said combating violent crime "isn't just about police numbers". Full story: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-46095279 -- © Copyright BBC 2018-11-06 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post lannarebirth Posted November 6, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted November 6, 2018 Government is never more effective than when it can convince the citizenry that it should take its failures as a given and to be expected. 7 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bert bloggs Posted November 6, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted November 6, 2018 There would not be so much knife crime if it was just the sort of people who used to live in London many years ago still lived there , just have to look at the pictures of those doing it and the victims of the crimes , most are non white ,sorry if that's racist ,but its the truth . 21 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bristolboy Posted November 6, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted November 6, 2018 4 minutes ago, bert bloggs said: There would not be so much knife crime if it was just the sort of people who used to live in London many years ago still lived there , just have to look at the pictures of those doing it and the victims of the crimes , most are non white ,sorry if that's racist ,but its the truth . Possibly, just maybe, perhaps there is the slightest chance that big cuts in the police force - cuts made to help compensate for the big tax cuts given to the wealthy -might have something to do with the rise in crime? https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/bobbies-onbeat-slashed-by-a-third-2gtg28f3f https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/crime-rises-statistics-england-wales-police-officer-numbers-record-low-government-tories-labour-cuts-a8178631.html https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/theresa-secretly-slashes-7000-local-12269107 3 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post alfieconn Posted November 6, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted November 6, 2018 5 minutes ago, bristolboy said: Possibly, just maybe, perhaps there is the slightest chance that big cuts in the police force - cuts made to help compensate for the big tax cuts given to the wealthy -might have something to do with the rise in crime? https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/bobbies-onbeat-slashed-by-a-third-2gtg28f3f https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/crime-rises-statistics-england-wales-police-officer-numbers-record-low-government-tories-labour-cuts-a8178631.html https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/theresa-secretly-slashes-7000-local-12269107 So tax cuts makes boys / young men go out carrying knifes does it ? incidentally if the police are that short why don't they transfer the 900 officers working on hurty hurty hate crime to the streets ? 17 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolboy Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 7 minutes ago, alfieconn said: So tax cuts makes boys / young men go out carrying knifes does it ? incidentally if the police are that short why don't they transfer the 900 officers working on hurty hurty hate crime to the streets ? Basically, your first sentence is an argument against the effectiveness of any policing. As for the 900 working on hate crimes, that would barely put a dent in the cuts made by the Tories. 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ivor bigun Posted November 6, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted November 6, 2018 Basically, your first sentence is an argument against the effectiveness of any policing. As for the 900 working on hate crimes, that would barely put a dent in the cuts made by the Tories.Cuts made by the Torys because of the last labour govts incompitance running the country,as usual.Sent from my SM-A720F using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malagateddy Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 Put the troops on the street and be done with it..inocent people would have nothing to fear..or hire the ex mayor of New York..he''d sort it out big timeSent from my SM-G7102 using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seahorse Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 2 hours ago, bristolboy said: Basically, your first sentence is an argument against the effectiveness of any policing. As for the 900 working on hate crimes, that would barely put a dent in the cuts made by the Tories. It's not a new thing. Who was in power when this started? What's new is the propaganda. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post car720 Posted November 6, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted November 6, 2018 5 hours ago, bert bloggs said: There would not be so much knife crime if it was just the sort of people who used to live in London many years ago still lived there , just have to look at the pictures of those doing it and the victims of the crimes , most are non white ,sorry if that's racist ,but its the truth . don't worry mate. Only about 99% of others agree with you. 16 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfieconn Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 4 hours ago, bristolboy said: Basically, your first sentence is an argument against the effectiveness of any policing. As for the 900 working on hate crimes, that would barely put a dent in the cuts made by the Tories. Of course it is which makes your argument of blaming cuts as rubbish ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolboy Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 4 hours ago, ivor bigun said: Cuts made by the Torys because of the last labour govts incompitance running the country,as usual. Sent from my SM-A720F using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app Right, It has nothing at all to do with financing Tories' tax cuts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolboy Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 3 hours ago, seahorse said: It's not a new thing. Who was in power when this started? What's new is the propaganda. So, you're saying it's like a juggernaut and can't be reversed? How does that work? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolboy Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 22 minutes ago, alfieconn said: Of course it is which makes your argument of blaming cuts as rubbish ! You think that rubbishing the effectiveness of the police in controlling crime is a winning argument? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post seahorse Posted November 6, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted November 6, 2018 17 minutes ago, bristolboy said: You think that rubbishing the effectiveness of the police in controlling crime is a winning argument? You didn't read the article I linked to did you? Eleven years ago the police said that the increase in knife crime was due to immigrants. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post cryo Posted November 6, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted November 6, 2018 Agree with the ten years only in a slightly different context just jail anybody carrying a knife that has not to do with a relevant trade use for ten years and problem solved. By all accounts all British prisons are now sh1t holes so they will regret their stupidity and yes there are not as many police on the streets but obviously there are enough for the same black politicians to constantly go on about stop and search problems for black people. Also I am not racist just stating a facts that the majority of UK knife crime is carried out by the minority black population. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolboy Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 3 hours ago, seahorse said: It's not a new thing. Who was in power when this started? What's new is the propaganda. On my screen it's very hard to see that link as being different from the rest of the text. That said, how does the increase of immigrant justify lowering the number of police on the streets? I don't understand. If you've got a problem that's getting worse, you cut the resources to fight it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Chomper Higgot Posted November 6, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted November 6, 2018 (edited) I’ve been in London this past week, and elsewhere in the UK since. The absence of a police presence is striking. In London outside zone 1 I saw no police officers or police cars and I’ve only seen one police patrol car this week, it was parked off the road. Elswhere in the UK. Speaking with an 83 year old family friend who was burglared while in her home, she waited two days for the police to visit after her son called the police. The police excuse for not showing up immediately, the victim had locked herself in the kitchen for over 20 hours until her son found her, the burgerler will have already escaped. The burglar was caught a week later by a neighbour. A white British woman with a police record for breaking into the homes of old people. This in a provincial town with a population around 17,000. The local police are absent on the streets across the UK. Edited November 6, 2018 by Chomper Higgot 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simple1 Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 Some detail on knife crime in England and Wales. https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-42749089 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ivor bigun Posted November 6, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted November 6, 2018 Some detail on knife crime in England and Wales. https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-42749089 Yes and most carried out by immegrants and black youths,but you will not be told that.Sent from my SM-A720F using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app 7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
observer90210 Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 (edited) I'm sure there should be some way to put the blame again on the Brexiters ?! ???? Edited November 6, 2018 by observer90210 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post 3NUMBAS Posted November 6, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted November 6, 2018 the guys involved are ethnic boneheads like the mayor himself so little can be done about their lack of common sense 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolboy Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 33 minutes ago, observer90210 said: I'm sure there should be some way to put the blame again on the Brexiters ?! ???? Funny. It's been the practice of the Brexiters to blame the EU for the damage on society wreaked by the Tories 350 million per week for NHS ring any bells? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolboy Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 4 minutes ago, 3NUMBAS said: the guys involved are ethnic boneheads like the mayor himself so little can be done about their lack of common sense And I'm sure there will be people who will defend you for lumping the mayor of london with knife wielding criminals on account of ethnicity. But clearly you're just a garden variety bigot. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
from the home of CC Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 Take the drug profits away from the gangsters and 80% of this type of crime disappears. It would take a radical approach that the old dinosaurs in power don't have the cojones to try. Thus probably expect this to get a lot worse no matter how many cops they put on the streets. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CALSinCM Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 To solve a problem, you first have to face the problem. When a termite infested tree finally is so weak that it blows over in the wind, the wind was not the cause of the tree's structural failure. But the UK authorities will blame the wind every time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simple1 Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, ivor bigun said: Yes and most carried out by immegrants and black youths,but you will not be told that. Sent from my SM-A720F using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app Acknowledge Met Police are claiming UK blacks are involved with knife crime and as reported elsewhere by so named 'postal' youth gangs in London, plus of course white UK national criminals. However, provide credible source/s for your claims of non UK citizens committing a statistically important number of knife crime. I say 'statistically important' as no group is free of criminal elements. Edited November 6, 2018 by simple1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JemJem Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 Knife attacks have been a big problem in London recently, as far as I read from various sources. Just imagine, if gun control in the UK were as lax as that in most parts of the US, the murders/injuries would be at very high levels in London too. So, yes, knives can also kill or maim; but with guns, it is a lot worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac98 Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 Look at all the advice and classes for girls/women to protect themselves against sexual assault. So offer advice and classes to boys/men on knife fighting. He pulls a switchblade, you pull a Bowie. He pulls a Bowie you pull a sword. He pulls a sword, run like hell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 Time to learn from how Glasgow dealt with this problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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