Big Joke: UK woman was not raped on Phuket; Thai "sushi maker" arrested

[sweatalot]

22 hours ago, rooster59 said:

Thai "sushi maker" arrested

 

he was arrested for not raping a woman.

Right?

[Lokie]

Lots going on about girl getting drunk and falling asleep insinuating she asked for it? (Brits & Aussie girls especially ??)

 

- Maybe she had her drink spiked? Rohypnol anyone....?? (A Mickey Fin for you old farts out there)

 

- Maybe there are more reports of Brit and Aussie girls because they have the balls to report an assault

 

This male arrested assaulted her, he's admitted he did and hopefully it will be more than a paltry 8000 Baht fine

 

If she was spiked (IF) wonder how many other girls he's done it to and gotten away with it...? (That would be all the other girl nationalities who are not as strong as the Brits & Ozzies then ehh)

 

 

 

Edited November 11, 2018 by Lokie

[Prairieboy]

23 hours ago, Aussieroaming said:

Penetrated by the same filthy finger he uses to pick his nose. I am sure non consensual sex of any kind is RAPE.

You are so right!  Dictionary. com: "unlawful sexual intercourse or any other sexual penetration of the vagina, anus, or mouth of another person, with or without force, by a sex organ, other body part, or foreign object, without the consent of the victim."

[Goldieinkathu]

6 hours ago, cyberfarang said:

The man admitted he had sex with the girl while she was asleep. This doesn`t mean that she did not consent to go with him. And also it was proven he did not have full sexual intercourse with the girl. She may have still been awake when the activities started. This still does not confirm the guy is a rapist. As I said, why did the girl not ask staff to call her a taxi? Still many holes in this story.

No offense cyberfarang but you need to stop as you're starting to sound ridiculous.

He's admitted to rape, there was no consent, she was ASLEEP.

"Why did the girl not ask staff to call her a taxi?"  please explain what that has to do with anything.????

[hotchilli]

23 hours ago, AhFarangJa said:

I tend to agree with Aussieroaming above. Here is an English Dictionary definition of rape................

rape

¹

[reyp]

ExamplesWord Origin

See more synonyms for rape on Thesaurus.com

noun

1. unlawful sexual intercourse or any other sexual penetration of the vagina, anus, or mouth of another person, with or without  force, by a sex organ, other body part, or foreign object, without the consent of the victim.

Obviously the definition of rape is lost in translation... 

[4MyEgo]

2 hours ago, LukKrueng said:

 

 

 

 

 

nobody said there was no crime, nobody said the girl lied. according to the article she was checked at the hospital. Police file charges according to the law and not the dictionary and apparently as started in the op: 

A man has been charged with penetrating the woman via a sexual organ, anus or mouth.

 

You have no idea what you are talking about, English dictionary is one way of finding out what words mean, and law is the concrete.

 

I dare say both you and Big Joke need to polish up on your Thai law, Big Joke said she was not raped in the article, but he has charged the guy with rape, which of course it is, even under Thai law., perhaps Big Joke thinks rape is when you insert your penis into the person without consent, which is wrong, rape is rape, by even removing her clothing without her will, one could say he intended on raping her against her will.

 

Have a read for yourself on the below extract, rape is rape, finger, penis, penetration against one's will, rape rape rape, it is what it is, and he needs to go away for a long long time to learn its not on, unless she says its on, but watch out if she changes her mind mid flight, because that could also be construed as rape if you don't get off quick smart.

 

Section 276. Rape

Whoever has sexual intercourse with a woman, who is not wife, against her will, by threatening by any means whatever, by doing any act of violence, by taking advantage of the woman being in the condition of inability to resist, or by causing the woman to mistake him for the other person, shall be punished with imprisonment of four to twenty years and fined of eight thousand to forty thousand Baht.

 

If the offence as mentioned in the first paragraph is committed by carrying or using any gun or explosive, or participation of persons in the nature of destroying the woman, the offender shall be punished with imprisonment of fifteen to twenty years and fined of thirty thousand to forty thousand Baht, or imprisonment for life.

 

To close: Both you and Big Joke have mud on your face...lol

Edited November 11, 2018 by 4MyEgo

[janclaes47]

2 minutes ago, 4MyEgo said:

Big Joke said she was not raped in the article, but he has charged the guy with rape, which of course it is, even under Thai law.

Maybe you should work a bit on your reading skills if you want the " I know it all here "

Where does it say that the guy was charged with rape?

 

A man has been charged with penetrating the woman via a sexual organ, anus or mouth.

 

Where in the Thai law does it say that the above is considered rape

 

In most other countries it is considered sexual assault, for which I already posted a link to the UK met police website

[Lancashireman]

23 hours ago, AhFarangJa said:

I tend to agree with Aussieroaming above. Here is an English Dictionary definition of rape................

rape

¹

[reyp]

ExamplesWord Origin

See more synonyms for rape on Thesaurus.com

noun

1. unlawful sexual intercourse or any other sexual penetration of the vagina, anus, or mouth of another person, with or without  force, by a sex organ, other body part, or foreign object, without the consent of the victim.

Agree...but Thai translation shifts the emphasis. As you’d expect!

[4MyEgo]

25 minutes ago, janclaes47 said:

Maybe you should work a bit on your reading skills if you want the " I know it all here "

Where does it say that the guy was charged with rape?

 

A man has been charged with penetrating the woman via a sexual organ, anus or mouth.

 

Where in the Thai law does it say that the above is considered rape

 

In most other countries it is considered sexual assault, for which I already posted a link to the UK met police website

I will tell you this much, I didn't say 'I know it all here'

 

But I will say this for the blind, you obviously didn't read the heading of Section 276 in my post on Thai law which discussed RAPE, and the penalty is exactly the same as he was charged, call it what you will, but rape is rape, sexual assault, same same, or do you not get it, obviously !

 

Below in case you missed the heading, which you did, now give us a break and go back to do what you do best which is obviously having no idea what you are talking about.

 

32 minutes ago, 4MyEgo said:

Section 276. Rape

Whoever has sexual intercourse with a woman, who is not wife, against her will, by threatening by any means whatever, by doing any act of violence, by taking advantage of the woman being in the condition of inability to resist, or by causing the woman to mistake him for the other person, shall be punished with imprisonment of four to twenty years and fined of eight thousand to forty thousand Baht.

 

If the offence as mentioned in the first paragraph is committed by carrying or using any gun or explosive, or participation of persons in the nature of destroying the woman, the offender shall be punished with imprisonment of fifteen to twenty years and fined of thirty thousand to forty thousand Baht, or imprisonment for life.

 

Edited November 11, 2018 by 4MyEgo

[janclaes47]

11 minutes ago, 4MyEgo said:

I will tell you this much, I didn't say 'I know it all here'

 

But I will say this for the blind, you obviously didn't read the heading of Section 276 in my post on Thai law which discussed RAPE, and the penalty is exactly the same as he was charged, call it what you will, but rape is rape, sexual assault, same same, or do you not get it, obviously !

 

Below in case you missed the heading, which you did, now give us a break and go back to do what you do best which is obviously having no idea what you are talking about.

 

 

Only for you Mr Ego

 

26 minutes ago, 4MyEgo said:

Section 276. Rape

Whoever has sexual intercourse with a woman

 

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/sexual intercourse

 

Definition of sexual intercourse 

 

1 : heterosexual intercourse involving penetration of the vagina by the penis : coitus

2 : intercourse (such as anal or oral intercourse) that does not involve penetration of the vagina by the penis

Edited November 11, 2018 by janclaes47

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[Kittycat66]

She still was assaulted and hopefully the guy is punished.

[Old Croc]

5 hours ago, ScammedInThailand said:

Phuket - named ''the most corrupt city in Asia''. [Transparency International - 2017]

Ok, you're honest about your agenda as your name, and most of your posts, leave no doubt about your obsession against Thailand. I'm sorry for you that bad experiences have dominated your life to this extent.

I checked your Transparency Perceptions site trying to find the list of corrupt cities in Asia. It's a convoluted site and difficult to navigate, but seemed to me to only discuss corruption by country. Thailand's rating was about 97 out of 180, not good, but not the worst. 

If you could provide a link to the "Most  Corrupt Cities in Asia" list I would appreciate it. I do hope you're not BSing just to push your agenda.

[LukKrueng]

3 hours ago, colinneil said:

You have no idea about things here, your post is utter nonsense.... police file charges according to the law What planet are you living on?

if you don't beleive what you read in the news feeds why do you read it at all?

[connda]

I thank God I'm not a young man and that I grew up in the era that I did. 
Lord, before even kissing another person you pretty much need to have an affidavit signed stating the exact nature of the 'sex' you planned to consensually engage in, what parts of the body will be used and in what manner, and then those forms would need to be signed in triplicate, witnessed by two other individuals, and then the entire sexual encounter would need to be filmed and documented to prove that each party, especially the male member of a male/female liaison did not violate the scope of the agreement thus leading to an accusation of rape. 

I lived in a much simpler time.  Back when farangs still had children too.  I can understand why they don't anymore.  That's probably a good thing actually.  Personally, I would not assist a drunk woman, especially a farang woman, in any way shape or manner nowadays.  It's better to just to stay as far away as possibly and remain totally uninvolved. 

Edited November 11, 2018 by connda

[CharlieH]

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[newatthis]

7 hours ago, Goldieinkathu said:

No offense cyberfarang but you need to stop as you're starting to sound ridiculous.

He's admitted to rape, there was no consent, she was ASLEEP.

"Why did the girl not ask staff to call her a taxi?"  please explain what that has to do with anything.????

Sadly, this is why females are loathe to report rapes. After the actual assault, they get "raped" in the police station; they get "raped" in the court of public opinion; then they get "raped" in the actual court room when they testify.

This is the 21st century but many males still believe that females should behave like the Victorian era. It may come as a surprise to some people but women are equal to men. They are no longer inferior to men and are entitled to look, act and dress like it is the 21st century. They have evolved out of this so called traditional role/behaviour that was imposed by past societies. Women have progressed but the thinking of some men has not evolved past the "neanderthal" stage.

Any female is free to get blotto and no one is entitled to physically or mentally abuse her. 

It's men, like this Thai man, who have to change their thinking. 

[Bkkthebest]

On 11/10/2018 at 3:41 PM, Lokie said:

I have escorted many a lady back to her hotel/home to ensure she arrives safely and NO harm comes to her. Then I am not a rapist just a normal bloke, its what normal men do.

 

Oh i see. So as a man, you have to trouble yourself to make sure the lady got home safe. If the lady is "handicap" in such a way, she should just stay at home and don't go out.

[stuandjulie]

On ‎11‎/‎10‎/‎2018 at 12:38 PM, Thian said:

Why is she a poor woman? She was too naive and got her lesson now.

 

Also she drank too much while being out there all alone....very stupid but hey some folks need to learn things the hard way.

 

Seriously ?

[cyberfarang]

5 hours ago, connda said:

I thank God I'm not a young man and that I grew up in the era that I did. 
Lord, before even kissing another person you pretty much need to have an affidavit signed stating the exact nature of the 'sex' you planned to consensually engage in, what parts of the body will be used and in what manner, and then those forms would need to be signed in triplicate, witnessed by two other individuals, and then the entire sexual encounter would need to be filmed and documented to prove that each party, especially the male member of a male/female liaison did not violate the scope of the agreement thus leading to an accusation of rape. 

I lived in a much simpler time.  Back when farangs still had children too.  I can understand why they don't anymore.  That's probably a good thing actually.  Personally, I would not assist a drunk woman, especially a farang woman, in any way shape or manner nowadays.  It's better to just to stay as far away as possibly and remain totally uninvolved. 

Tallying up all the sexual encounters I`ve had in the past, when I`ve been merry with drink and the girls have been merry with drink, then today I could be regarded as the most prolific serial rapist of all time.

 

If a woman meets a guy at a bar or club or party after a drink fuelled night of partying and the couple end up sleeping together and the woman claims rape in the morning, the guy is done for, his life in ruins because of a night of passion.

 

Only safe way, is to ensure a woman is completely sober or drug free, and if she agrees to spend the night with a guy, is to have a lawyer present and have her sign a notarized consent form.

 

Today, having sexual encounters can be a very dangerous activity. There are STDs and aids to content with and for guys the possibility of being accused of rape and serving a long jail time. 

 

I`m with you, connda, best to stay well clear of it.

[Thian]

4 hours ago, newatthis said:

It may come as a surprise to some people but women are equal to men

Then they should also man up and handle the situations themselves instead of calling some men with guns. I know there are girls out there freeloading all night in a sexy outfit and then suddenly disappearing. 

[NamKangMan]

 

There's a lot of bickering between members on this thread between those attributing some fault to the victim, and those attributing all fault to the offender. 

 

However, I will digress a little and ask, how many members would feel compassion for the victim if she got drunk, jumped on a motorbike, sped off with no helmet and crashed, killing herself, or severely injuring herself?  I think most members here would say her consequences were brought about by her actions.

 

Now, picture the same scenario, but she kills or severely injures an innocent party.  I think most members would be calling for a lengthy jail term for her.

 

Now picture her drunk and befriending a Thai guy, possibly with other substances being consumed, and then asking him to go to her hotel room.  Has she committed a crime - NO.  Has a crime been committed against here - YES.  As with the motorbike scenario, could she have prevented the crime through better judgement - I say YES.

 

Just to clarify, I'm not blaming the victim, as a sleeping person can not consent.  I am merely point out that there are consequences for her actions, and just how being drunk on a motorbike, speeding, and with no helmet, significantly raises the changes of an accident, so to does getting drunk with a Thai guy and then asking him to go to your hotel room, which to some Thai guys here, amounts to consent. 

[Lokie]

1 hour ago, Bkkthebest said:

Oh i see. So as a man, you have to trouble yourself to make sure the lady got home safe. If the lady is "handicap" in such a way, she should just stay at home and don't go out.

If a lady (or anyone else for that matter, male friend) in my company needed help to get back home/to their room then yes I have on numerous occasions 'troubled' myself to ensure they got back safely (thats what decent human beings do) except where I come from it aint no trouble TBH its about being a good friend.

 

If anyone is handicapped as you put it then they have every right to get home safe, the last bit of your post is just silly, really anyone drunk should not go out... How long you been visiting Planet Earth? 555

[Lokie]

31 minutes ago, Thian said:

Why the namecalling? You must be another brit i assume? Those are so classy....google for 

brittish girls on holiday' and you'll see what i mean. or ask any mainland european man about them....

You seem to have a Hard On for Brit & Ozzie girls....

 

What they KBd yer a few times when you tried to weave your magic with them 'Mr Mainland European' lol

 

And there is only one T in British but two Ts in T I T 555

[bristolgeoff]

looked into the case or what happened,could find no evidence cased closed.maybe the young lady is not happy with the result,but they did look into to it

[cyberfarang]

2 hours ago, Bkkthebest said:

Oh i see. So as a man, you have to trouble yourself to make sure the lady got home safe. If the lady is "handicap" in such a way, she should just stay at home and don't go out.

Let me give you another example of the risks to men who try to be good Samaritans. And BTW, if your response becomes personal or insulting, you will lose credibility.

 

If I was back in England and while out on my travels walking along a street and approached by a minor or a child asking me for help, maybe cannot find parents or asking for a bus fare home, I would not offer to take the minor or child along with me to look for the parents or hand over money for bus fare in a public place. I would say just stay where you are and I`ll call the police or ask a female to help me, otherwise it is likely I as a middle aged or elderly male actions could be misconstrued as a paedophile trying to pick up kids. For all I know the child could be part of an exploitation scam. 

 

The same applies if I saw a woman in distress, I would be very wary of getting myself involved.

 

This is how paranoid western society has become against men, perceived as all men being sexual predictors and all women as victims whatever the circumstances. A sad sign of the times.

[JeffreyO]

How is what he used to put inside her cause for definition of rape.  If he put a wood plank, it would be rape.  His finger is just as bad.

[Galactus]

alright:)) not raped but fingered! case is closed. farang was wrong and Thai guy just 'fingered'!!! 

what a shame!!! she was raped, finger, penis doesnt matter and this is same for thai penal code. penis or finger are counted as same.

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[Kaalle]

Just a moment, please.
 
The woman was drinking at the bar alone, got drunk and then asks a man who was not a taxi driver to take her back to her hotel.
 
So she was not drunk enough to invite a man to take her to her hotel, but too drunk to ask staff to call her a taxi. After she passed out  fell asleep, the man probably took advantage of the situation and took the woman to his house instead.
 
Surely don`t women bear some responsibilities towards their own safety and vulnerabilities? I am not condoning what the guy did, if had been me I`d simply had called her a taxi, but sorry, have little sympathy for this woman either.

Next time you get drunk and pass out how about i finger you or even give you a proper go? Would you feel it was your fault when you woke up?

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