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[webfact]

UK PM May: Getting rid of me risks delaying Brexit

By Kylie MacLellan and William James

 

Britain's Prime Minister Theresa May takes questions during a news conference at Downing Street in London, Britain November 15, 2018. Matt Dunham/Pool via Reuters

 

LONDON (Reuters) - British Prime Minister Theresa May said on Sunday toppling her would risk delaying Brexit and she would not let talk of a leadership challenge distract her from a critical week of negotiations with Brussels.

 

Since unveiling a draft divorce deal with the European Union on Wednesday, May's premiership has been thrust into crisis by the resignation of several ministers, including her Brexit minister, and some of her own members of parliament are seeking to oust her.

 

More than two years after the United Kingdom voted to leave the EU, it is still unclear how, on what terms or even if it will leave as planned on March 29, 2019.

 

May has vowed to fight on, but with both pro-EU and pro-Brexit lawmakers unhappy with the draft agreement, it is not clear she will be able to win the backing of parliament for it, raising the risk Britain leaves the EU without a deal.

 

"These next seven days are going to be critical, they are about the future of this country," May told Sky News. "I am not going to be distracted from the important job.

 

"A change of leadership at this point isn't going to make the negotiations any easier ... what it will do is mean that there is a risk that actually we delay the negotiations and that is a risk that Brexit gets delayed or frustrated."

 

To trigger a confidence vote, 48 of her Conservative lawmakers must submit a letter to the chairman of the party's so-called 1922 committee, Graham Brady.

 

More than 20 lawmakers have said publicly that they have submitted a letter, but others are thought to have done so confidentially. Brady told BBC Radio on Sunday the 48 threshold had not yet been reached.

 

Brady said he thought it was likely May would win any confidence vote, making her immune to another challenge for 12 months under the party's rules.

 

Mark Francois, one lawmaker who has submitted a letter, said he expected some colleagues were taking soundings from local party members in their constituencies over the weekend before deciding whether to submit a letter.

 

FUTURE RELATIONSHIP

At the centre of concerns over the deal is the Northern Irish backstop, an insurance policy to avoid a return to border checks between the British province and EU-member Ireland.

 

Critics say it would leave Britain bound to the EU in perpetuity and risks dividing the United Kingdom by aligning Northern Ireland more closely with the EU's customs rules and production standards than mainland Britain.

 

They are also unhappy that this arrangement, although temporary, will form the basis on which arrangements for the future relationship between the EU and the UK are built.

 

The pro-Brexit ERG group of Conservative members of parliament published its assessment of the deal on Sunday, saying it would leave Britain "half in and half out" of the EU.

 

The DUP, a small Northern Irish party which props up May's minority government, has threatened to pull its support if the backstop means the province is treated differently from the rest of the United Kingdom.

 

DUP deputy leader Nigel Dodds said on Sunday it was "time to work for a better deal which does not undermine the integrity of the United Kingdom".

 

May said negotiations were continuing and she intended to go to Brussels and meet European Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker. She said she would also be speaking to other EU leaders ahead of an EU summit to discuss the deal on Nov. 25.

 

"We won’t agree the leaving part, the withdrawal agreement, until we have got what we want in the future relationship because these two go together. The focus this week will be on the future relationship," she told Sky. "It is the future relationship that delivers on the Brexit vote."

 

Several British newspapers reported that five senior pro-Brexit ministers were working together to pressure May to change the deal, but writing in the Sun on Sunday newspaper May said she saw no alternative plan on the table.

 

Former Brexit minister Dominic Raab, who resigned on Thursday in protest at the deal, said he supported May as leader but her deal was "fatally flawed" and she must change course.

 

"I still think a deal could be done but it is very late in the day now and we need to change course," Raab told the BBC. "The biggest risk of no deal is taking a bad deal to the House of Commons ... it is very important to take the action now."

 

Opposition Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn said his party would vote against May's deal when it came to parliament and the government should go back to Brussels for further negotiations. He said that was a priority ahead of pushing for a so-called people's vote on the final agreement.

 

"It's an option for the future, but it's not an option for today, because if we had a referendum tomorrow, what's it going to be on?

 

What's the question going to be?" Corbyn told Sky News.

 

(Editing by Janet Lawrence)

 

-- © Copyright Reuters 2018-11-19

[BritManToo]

10 minutes ago, webfact said:

Getting rid of me risks delaying Brexit

I thought 'they' wanted to delay Brexit, forever if possible.

As for NI, nobody really cares, but it's a good excuse to drag negotiations out.

Edited November 18, 2018 by BritManToo

[phantomfiddler]

All these ministers should stop acting like children and get the job done !

[Chomper Higgot]

PM identifies a win win.

[Nigel Garvie]

4 hours ago, BritManToo said:

I thought 'they' wanted to delay Brexit, forever if possible.

As for NI, nobody really cares, but it's a good excuse to drag negotiations out.

I have quite a few NI friends who often amuse me by trying to find out if I am a Catholic or Protestant atheist. All the same there is no reason for England to act like the master race of a long gone empire, the other three parts of the very unequal union deserve to be treated with respect and not taken for granted. Why do you think the EU is pissing all over you (England), because they see the way that you behave to others - obviously.

[guest879]

what has she achieved in the last 2 years regarding brexit? all I have seen is he doing some silly looking dancing. the situation calls for an iron lady not a rusty tart.

[Briggsy]

All of May's natural political instincts run contradictory to what she needs to do in this situation. She automatically, instinctively and without fail, seeks the safe haven of the most powerful and established party or side in any issue. This is what she has done all her political life.

 

In this situation she is representing the side that has, in theory, the weaker position. So, automatically, instinctively and without fail, she seeks the safe haven of the most powerful and established side, the EU.

 

The result is half-in/half-out, vassal state, all the obligations with none of the decision-making power.

 

She is absolutely the wrong person for this job and the draft agreement is proof of that.

 

What is required in this situation is somebody who is very awkward and stubborn (despite May's claims, she is neither stubborn nor awkward) and a risk-taker, somebody who is prepared to lose in order to craft a win.

 

Even if May manages to keep the PM job, she should let somebody else negotiate but the best situation would be for her to be removed as party leader and thus replaced as PM.

[Guest]

Why didn't Farage, Mogg or Johnsson take the PM job after the Brexit vote and elections?

They could have beared the responsibilities of the Brexit negotiations, but they didn't. 

[billd766]

2 minutes ago, oilinki said:

Why didn't Farage, Mogg or Johnsson take the PM job after the Brexit vote and elections?

They could have beared the responsibilities of the Brexit negotiations, but they didn't. 

I have no idea why JRM or Boris did not take the job on but Nigel Farage is an MEP, one of many representing the UK.

 

For him to become the UK PM, he would have to resign as a MEP, have a safe Tory seat found for him thus triggering a by election, which he may or may not have won. 

 

He would then be eligible to speak in the House of Commons, and to become PM he would have had to leap over every other MP and there is no way that would have happened.

 

This assumes of course that he wanted the job in the first place.

[Basil B]

AFAIR

Not only was Farage was not an MP of the Westminster Parliament but he walked out on the Tory party years ago to form UKIP.

Boris tried for the leadership only to be stabled in the back by Gove.

[steve187]

i have read so many posts on tv from the experts regarding brexit, i can not fathom why May together with her cabinet have not come to Thailand. to hold a few outreach sessions with these experts for some sound advice.

[Basil B]

TM position is safe at the moment...

I doubt the rebels even number 48, the number of Tory MP's needed to trigger a vote of no confidence in TM as PM.

TM big worry is getting any thing agreed in parliament, having now lost the support of the Ulster mob.

 

[Baerboxer]

3 hours ago, Nigel Garvie said:

I have quite a few NI friends who often amuse me by trying to find out if I am a Catholic or Protestant atheist. All the same there is no reason for England to act like the master race of a long gone empire, the other three parts of the very unequal union deserve to be treated with respect and not taken for granted. Why do you think the EU is pissing all over you (England), because they see the way that you behave to others - obviously.

 

Oh dear, another disadvantaged minority with a chip on the shoulder.

 

 

[dick dasterdly]

4 hours ago, phantomfiddler said:

All these ministers should stop acting like children and get the job done !

They're protecting their personal interests....

[Baerboxer]

58 minutes ago, oilinki said:

Why didn't Farage, Mogg or Johnsson take the PM job after the Brexit vote and elections?

They could have beared the responsibilities of the Brexit negotiations, but they didn't. 

 

Billd766 gives a good reply. But also, they were very aware of the lies they'd told, the rosy picture they'd painted which is impossible to deliver, and the likely reactions once the British public wake up and realize reality.

 

Better to be out of the canoe, pissing on it, than sitting there, pulling against a strong current and being pissed on.

[dick dasterdly]

1 hour ago, Briggsy said:

All of May's natural political instincts run contradictory to what she needs to do in this situation. She automatically, instinctively and without fail, seeks the safe haven of the most powerful and established party or side in any issue. This is what she has done all her political life.

 

In this situation she is representing the side that has, in theory, the weaker position. So, automatically, instinctively and without fail, she seeks the safe haven of the most powerful and established side, the EU.

 

The result is half-in/half-out, vassal state, all the obligations with none of the decision-making power.

 

She is absolutely the wrong person for this job and the draft agreement is proof of that.

 

What is required in this situation is somebody who is very awkward and stubborn (despite May's claims, she is neither stubborn nor awkward) and a risk-taker, somebody who is prepared to lose in order to craft a win.

 

Even if May manages to keep the PM job, she should let somebody else negotiate but the best situation would be for her to be removed as party leader and thus replaced as PM.

She's always been looking for BRINO, as was made clear when she agreed with the eu 'negotiation list'.

[dick dasterdly]

Her 'agreement with the eu' only confirms this.

 

The interesting part is what happens next, and how the electorate respond.

[dunroaming]

2 hours ago, oilinki said:

Why didn't Farage, Mogg or Johnsson take the PM job after the Brexit vote and elections?

They could have beared the responsibilities of the Brexit negotiations, but they didn't. 

I thought when JRM came out and declared that he had sent his letter of no confidence that it would lead to all the other Brexiteers to send theirs and her removal would be imminent.  However we are left with two possibilities.  One being that there aren't enough people to get the required number or that the brakes have been put on to prevent a leadership challenge that she would probably (at this stage) win.

 

Certainly none of the cowards, Johnson, Rees Mogg etc. will want to step up until Brexit has been done with.

 

Everything is hanging by a thread.

[Scott]

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[StreetCowboy]

8 hours ago, oilinki said:

Why didn't Farage, Mogg or Johnsson take the PM job after the Brexit vote and elections?

They could have beared the responsibilities of the Brexit negotiations, but they didn't. 

Theresa May is more of a bear, and more of a man, than the pansies you have suggested as alternatives.  She may not be the Iron Lady, but at least she can park a bus.

[baboon]

7 hours ago, dunroaming said:

Certainly none of the cowards, Johnson, Rees Mogg etc. will want to step up until Brexit has been done with.

'Certainly none of the cowards, Johnson, Rees Mogg etc. will want to step up until Brexit has been done with and they have made a few more million on shorting the Pound.'

 

There, fixed that for you.

[StreetCowboy]

39 minutes ago, baboon said:

'Certainly none of the cowards, Johnson, Rees Mogg etc. will want to step up until Brexit has been done with and they have made a few more million on shorting the Pound.'

 

There, fixed that for you.

You judge them harshly.  For men of their background, and wealth, the joy of leading their country, albeit to disaster,  far outweighs any short-term monetary gain, and they are confident that the monetary loss that will follow the collapse of the local economy will not have a significant effect on their own well-being, only on their ability to pay tax, and the future sustainability of their businesses, should any of their wealth be invested in the UK

[baboon]

11 minutes ago, StreetCowboy said:

You judge them harshly.  For men of their background, and wealth, the joy of leading their country, albeit to disaster,  far outweighs any short-term monetary gain, and they are confident that the monetary loss that will follow the collapse of the local economy will not have a significant effect on their own well-being, only on their ability to pay tax, and the future sustainability of their businesses, should any of their wealth be invested in the UK

And at least they are looking out for the workers. In Chittagong and such places. Internationalisation at its finest...

 

Good to have you back, by the way.????

Edited November 19, 2018 by baboon