U.S.-Mexico border crossing closed after migrant protest halted in Tijuana

[sawadeeken]

2 hours ago, JAG said:

I am well aware that, in some but by no means all international borders, there is sometimes a strip of land in between the border markers.

You are NOT well aware of this USA border crossing...... It has neutral zone areas on both sides that neither USA or Mexico clain to be it's own............ Better learn a bit more before you try to cover your mistakes..............

[Jingthing]

Yeah, sure, no small children were harmed in this "trump" propaganda show. Why are the migrant hopefuls acting up? Extreme frustration. Vicious white nativist "trump" policies making even seeking asylum legally so difficult that it's designed to discourage people from even trying. The world watches. This is the America that says it is a good country to be admired? Please.

 

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‘These children are barefoot. In diapers. Choking on tear gas.’

A little girl from Honduras stares into the camera, her young features contorted in anguish. She’s barefoot, dusty, and clad only in a diaper and T-shirt. And she’s just had to run from clouds of choking tear gas fired across the border by U.S. agents.

 

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2018/11/26/these-children-are-barefoot-diapers-choking-tear-gas/?utm_term=.448186d287d0

[sawadeeken]

2 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Yeah, sure, no small children were harmed in this "trump" propaganda show. Why are the migrant hopefuls acting up? Extreme frustration. Vicious white nativist "trump" policies making even seeking asylum legally so difficult that it's designed to discourage people from even trying. The world watches. This is the America that says it is a good country to be admired? Please.

 

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2018/11/26/these-children-are-barefoot-diapers-choking-tear-gas/?utm_term=.448186d287d0

Blame this on the author (likely a sympathetic mom, herself) of the article... Only magnifiying the things that will sell newspapers...... Can't you see through that????? FACTUALLY......... what were moms doing risking their babies?????????????

Some here are so struck with Pity (Me Included) but I for one can see beyond what is being shown by a few news sellers...... Take time and read a good amount of 'other' news coverages before you take sides .... try to see the 'real picture'...........

[Tug]

Bottom line Donald doesent want to solve immigration laws it’s much to usefull to use as a distraction so we don’t look to closely at other issues and he gets off on holding poor people down 

[Tug]

Hey swadeekin did you ever think it might be so hopeless at home that they think the risk is worth it?scary thought yes?

[sawadeeken]

2 minutes ago, Tug said:

Bottom line Donald doesent want to solve immigration laws it’s much to usefull to use as a distraction so we don’t look to closely at other issues and he gets off on holding poor people down 

I don't like Trump either........... but this is not about Trump........ This is about a bunch of 'rabel-rousers' trying to 'force' their way into the USA.......... Mexico has already offered them asylum but they only want the good life in the USA.............

[sawadeeken]

5 minutes ago, Tug said:

Hey swadeekin did you ever think it might be so hopeless at home that they think the risk is worth it?scary thought yes?

By your statement........ are you suggesting that the USA throw open it's borders to all the other 'hurting populations' thru-out the world????? All the islamic countries????? All the South African countries?????? USA is where they all want to go......... (Including all their criminals)......... Generally the USA is kind and considerate of others (US - Not including Trump)...... BUT we do have our limits and our 'immigration policies'.....

MY THAI WIFE filed to immigrate her sister the proper way from Thailand..... the 'Proper way took the sister just undre 13 years.......

These people (not really so many Moms and kids) want it quicker than my wife's sister???????      BS     BS    BS

NO WAY!!!!!!!!!

[sawadeeken]

21 minutes ago, Tug said:

Hey swadeekin did you ever think it might be so hopeless at home that they think the risk is worth it?scary thought yes?

 HEY!!!!! Tug.......  Scary yes............ Do you think all these people deserve any 'Priority' over others in the same boat?????? 

Obviously your concentration is only on these 'border crashers' in the news and not the people that are hurting throughout the world......... We.... The USA can't ..... and shouldn't........ be expected to shoulder the responsibilities of saving 'all the world's 'hurting' populations....... These 'Asylum' seekers' already refused Asylum offers from Mexico......... Spread your legs and pull your head out of that dark hole in your backside...........

[JAG]

50 minutes ago, Tug said:

Hey swadeekin did you ever think it might be so hopeless at home that they think the risk is worth it?scary thought yes?

No, his sort don't think, they are too busy shouting!

[JAG]

1 hour ago, sawadeeken said:

Thank you Mr. JAG for not shouting.......... I will do likewise..........

Your post I was replying to claimed that Our US  border protection agents shot tear gas and rubber bullets at people in MEXICO (another country)   BS     ............. That 'strip of land as you like it disguise it is actually, and factually a 'Neutral zone' that neither country considers it's own ............. so the deterrant shots were fired into a 'neutral zone' and not into another country........ Mexico could claim it an act of war if YOU were correct........... BUT THEY DIDN'T............. LOL .....

Umh - you ended up shouting...

[Tug]

Ha ha are we having a bad day lol just so you know it took me 2 and 1/2 years to get my wife’s visa to join me I bo bo ed and married her in Thailand that was back in 82 yes we are still together so your preference comment kinda falls flat with me being extorted by gangs in the home country’s adds a bit of ergency to the matter btw it is never ok to shoot at or gas’s women or kids no matter how you feel about the border I and nobody I know wants or espouses open borders this I can tell you Donald has no interest in solving this problem it is much to useful to use as a distraction and as a tool of dividing us

[bristolgeoff]

They were warned if they come to the border,not wanted in America by many Americans.trump warned them,but still they come to the border thinking it would work,now look some Mexicans Don,t want them too.many problems to follow.have u seen pictures of their wall or fence to stop people getting into Mexico not small.i think Mexico was hoping they would let them in,that did not work out now they have to look after them and asking the un for help. America has closed they border this will not end well for them now

Edited November 26, 2018 by bristolgeoff

[Tailwagsdog]

18 hours ago, TopDeadSenter said:

Not long ago there was a generous offer by Mexico's govt to give these migrants temporary work permits to allow them a safe existence away from the immediately life threatening existence they fled from. Any refugee would be extremely grateful for an opportunity to build a safe life in Mexico, where they speak a common language and share much cultural traits.

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-45999610

 

Ignoring such generosity and instead trying to storm the US border en masse, does two things. 1)prove they are the "invaders" that President Trump has already claimed, and 2)wiped out any and all sympathy for their situation.

 

 The sad thing here is that genuine refugees, the young, weak and vulnerable that really were being persecuted will suffer. 

 

 

Its easy to sit on the sidelines grandstanding about your deep humanity. Go there and help these people in their own country as a volunteer instead of telling the world you sit on the moral high ground. People in modern western countries fought wars, made sacrifices, worked hard, voted for sensible leaders(most cases),got educated, etc. There is something rotten in these countries and Trump needs to invade & establish Law & Order, eliminate gangs & corruption. The list goes on Honduras, Venezuela, & Guartamela. If they can't run their country & other countries get the fallout (refugees) then its time to take action. The bleeding hearts who wear their charity only on their sleeve need to open up their houses so these people have somewhere to live or shut up.

[ChiangMaiLightning2143]

Half the world qualifies for US asylum.
Activists in Chiang Mai can’t even put up a banner protesting a land grab. Burma, China, any Arab country. Africa. Most just can’t form a caravan and walk to the southern boarder, fortunately.
Wouldn’t it be nice if the US could be all thing s to all people but unfortunately, “the lifeboat is full”.

The US military should be allowed protect the frontier without restrictive rules of engagement and then you’d see the problem of illegal entry go away quickly.

[rosst]

20 hours ago, Credo said:

The situation is a HUMANITARIAN crisis.   It is not an invasion.   It is occurring because people who came to a border to apply for asylum have been refused entrance.   

 

The problems are, in part, created by Trump limiting the ability of border officials to process them.   

Refused entry because they are trying to force their way into a sovereign state against the rule of law. 

They have been offered refuge and rejected it making them economic migrants not refugees. 

I am not an American but if my country was faced with this issue I would like to think we would respond in a similar fashion, sorry your sympathy card has expired. 

[Scott]

In 1996, I took part in what was known as Quick Transit III, which was the removal of close to 4,000 Kurdish personnel who had assisted in US gov't programs in the Norther Iraq Region.   It took a fair amount of logistics, since they were moving through a fairly remote border post with Turkey, Habur, near some small village of Silopi on the Turkish side and Zako, on the Iraqi side.   The US military was in charge of the actual granting of permission to cross the border.  

 

All  biodata was collected off-site and the names were submitted to the FBI (this was prior to the Department of Homeland Security), for clearance.   Once the names were approved and submitted, they were brought across the border.  Turkey had agreed they could only be on Turkish soil for a maximum of 3 days.    They were placed in a temporary facility near the border, taken to Incirlik Air Base where they were immediately flown to Guam.   They remained in Guam for the final screening, including medical exams etc.   The names of families were then submitted to Resettlement Agencies throughout the US, and they were resettled in various states.  

 

The entire operation took 7 days and was the end of humanitarian efforts in Northern Iraq.  For a number of reasons, numerous countries in Europe and the Middle East would not permit overflight of their territory.   Thailand was one of the only countries to cooperate and planes were re-fueled on Thai soil.  

 

With the military already on the border, it would be quite possible to get the processing and logistics of dealing with these people going in a much more orderly fashion.  

[Tug]

Thankyou for your service and injectiong a bit of sanity into this thread most folks know it is a very solvable problem if the will and leadership are present sadly the present occupant of the white House wants to use it in a non humanitarian way to further his agenda sad but thanks again mr Scott 

[lovelomsak]

1 hour ago, Scott said:

With the military already on the border, it would be quite possible to get the processing and logistics of dealing with these people going in a much more orderly fashion. 

I agree but there has to be  co operation from both sides. People who gather in the morning to rush the border in mass are not helping are they.

 Seems these people do not want to listen or co operate they just want to rush the border get in illegally and be done with it.

[TopDeadSenter]

22 minutes ago, lovelomsak said:

I agree but there has to be  co operation from both sides. People who gather in the morning to rush the border in mass are not helping are they.

 Seems these people do not want to listen or co operate they just want to rush the border get in illegally and be done with it.

If the US military waved through this whole caravan in a day or so, there would be a stampede the likes humankind has never seen before. Probably half the population of central and south America would dash up towards the San Ysidro border and the land of milk and honey beyond it. And then what? Let them all in and turn North America into a carbon copy of the socialist hellholes they came from, or say OK enough is enough and have the army fend them off like at present?

 

 The correct message from the US to these people, particularly the young strong men that make up the vast majority of these caravans, would be to stay home, find an honest job to provide for your family, get involved in local politics. Start to make a difference and with much effort improve your own countries. The success of the (conservative) western 1st world was not handed on a plate but was brutally fought and worked for. I realize the difficulty lies in the lower income sectors love for socialism - which is pretty much what destroyed their countries in the 1st place, and there is the rub. That Venezuela is now a failed state should be a wake up call that is does not ever work. 

Edited November 27, 2018 by TopDeadSenter
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[Scott]

24 minutes ago, lovelomsak said:

I agree but there has to be  co operation from both sides. People who gather in the morning to rush the border in mass are not helping are they.

 Seems these people do not want to listen or co operate they just want to rush the border get in illegally and be done with it.

On the Iraqi side of the border, there were extremely well armed Pershmerga fighters.   The US military personnel which were charged with the quick screening, for their part meant, having their name on an approved list, were armed ONLY with side arms.   The Turkish military was around, but not visible.

 

The people waiting to cross were under a very real threat of death, but they waited their turn.   You pick the groups to be screened first.  It can be done by country of origin, or families with children, single parents with children, unaccompanied minors, people over 60,  single males.  

 

My point is, it has been done in the past -- Quick Transit I, II and III are just example of very large groups of people being screened.  

 

If people know they will be screened they have no reason to rush the border.  

[canthai55]

9 hours ago, bristolgeoff said:

not wanted in America by many Americans

Except to pick their crops, mow their lawns, clean their pools, be nannies to their children.

Do all the jobs 'Real' Americans will not do.

And all this time be paid starvation wages, live in squalor, and be kicked out of the country when their work is done.

"Hypocrisy - the practice of claiming to have moral standards or beliefs to which one's own behavior does not conform; pretense"

[rott]

On 11/26/2018 at 8:59 AM, kamahele said:

While you may believe that Mexico's offer was generous, these people aren't requesting asylum in Mexico, they would like to request asylum in the US. Mexhico is a mess. Trump's threats has made a hard situation even worse.

So just because people decide they would like to live in your country you are obliged to let them in? Don't think so.

 

As a younger man I emigrated from the UK and was obliged to fill in numerous application forms, attend their London embassy for interview and have my background thoroughly vetted. Most countries have a similar system. Why should these people be treated differently?

[CMNightRider]

2 hours ago, canthai55 said:

Except to pick their crops, mow their lawns, clean their pools, be nannies to their children.

Do all the jobs 'Real' Americans will not do.

And all this time be paid starvation wages, live in squalor, and be kicked out of the country when their work is done.

"Hypocrisy - the practice of claiming to have moral standards or beliefs to which one's own behavior does not conform; pretense"

Actually, once people migrate to the US the right way, they can attend community colleges or trade schools and get good paying jobs.  Some go on to attend universities and the sky is the limit. 

 

"Hypocrisy," I think not.  For those who come in illegally, they do tend to end up with lower wages (not starvation wages), and don't live in squalor.  You sound as though you are one of those European's who hate America.

 

America is still the land of opportunity. That along with a chance to take advantage of welfare, is why these people are trying to get into the US. If you can't make it in the US, you are either sick, lame, or lazy.

[riclag]

1 minute ago, CMNightRider said:

Actually, once people migrate to the US the right way, they can attend community colleges or trade schools and get good paying jobs.  Some go on to attend universities and the sky is the limit. 

 

"Hypocrisy," I think not.  For those who come in illegally, they do tend to end up with lower wages (not starvation wages), and don't live in squalor.  You sound as though you are one of those European's who hate America.

 

America is still the land of opportunity. That along with a chance to take advantage of welfare, is why these people are trying to get into the US. If you can't make it in the US, you are either sick, lame, or lazy.

This comment deserves something better than a acknowledgment ! Can't reason with unlawful people! I'm so proud of my country for  defending themselves! Shame Shame on those who encourage lawlessness !

[canthai55]

3 hours ago, CMNightRider said:

You sound as though you are one of those European's who hate America.

Hint - the Can does not stand for Cancun

I do not Hate anybody - their actions ... yes

Bigotry, Arrogance, Racism, Xenophobia, blindly following your 'Elected' (a joke in itself) leaders like a Sheep.

[CMNightRider]

3 hours ago, canthai55 said:

Hint - the Can does not stand for Cancun

I do not Hate anybody - their actions ... yes

Bigotry, Arrogance, Racism, Xenophobia, blindly following your 'Elected' (a joke in itself) leaders like a Sheep.

I think you have me confused with someone else. ????

[bristolboy]

9 hours ago, CMNightRider said:

Actually, once people migrate to the US the right way, they can attend community colleges or trade schools and get good paying jobs.  Some go on to attend universities and the sky is the limit. 

 

"Hypocrisy," I think not.  For those who come in illegally, they do tend to end up with lower wages (not starvation wages), and don't live in squalor.  You sound as though you are one of those European's who hate America.

 

America is still the land of opportunity. That along with a chance to take advantage of welfare, is why these people are trying to get into the US. If you can't make it in the US, you are either sick, lame, or lazy.

Did you learn that piece of nonsense about welfare from the Bible? There's very very little elgibility for undocumented aliens. Just more right wing beating up on the poor nonsense.

[EVENKEEL]

6 hours ago, bristolboy said:

Did you learn that piece of nonsense about welfare from the Bible? There's very very little elgibility for undocumented aliens. Just more right wing beating up on the poor nonsense.

Another comment which goes nowhere. You do understand he was referring to migrating to the US the lawful way increases their chances at success. Yet, somehow the bible get referenced. Amazing.

[Credo]

1 hour ago, EVENKEEL said:

Another comment which goes nowhere. You do understand he was referring to migrating to the US the lawful way increases their chances at success. Yet, somehow the bible get referenced. Amazing.

Applying for Asylum IS legal.   

 

Amazing.

[bristolboy]

The Number of Illegal Immigrants in the U.S. Has Dropped, a Study Says. Here Are 5 Takeaways.

 

Shortly after then-candidate Donald Trump announced his presidential campaign, he suggested that the number of undocumented immigrants living in the United States could exceed 30 million. But a new study puts the number far lower and shows a significant decline over more than a decade.

The study, published by the Pew Research Center on Tuesday, put the number of undocumented immigrants in the United States at 10.7 million in 2016, down from a peak of 12.2 million in 2007.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/27/us/illegal-immigrants-population-study.html?action=click&module=Top Stories&pgtype=Homepage