Extreme Brexit could be worse than financial crisis for UK: BoE

[bomber]

36 minutes ago, talahtnut said:

I'd start worrying if he wears a backpack too?

 

???? no need to worry,my name alone keeps the backpack brigade away.

[Loiner]

it was 100 surveyed in spoonies before yesterdays everton/LFC game

So, for what reason exactly were you clotched from Wetherspoons?


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[bomber]

5 minutes ago, Loiner said:

So, for what reason exactly were you clotched from Wetherspoons?


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clotched?

[baboon]

1 hour ago, billd766 said:

Of course you have the links to prove him wrong which I am sure that you will publish.

A link to prove the original assertion you should be surely be calling for first...?

 

Newcastle and County Durham are now 97.2% Remain. How do I know? I made it up on the spot and as everyone knows in 2019, that is good enough.

 

Except it isn't. Bill, I know you we disagree on the Brexit issue, but don't allow yourself to be dragged down to this level of non-debate. Just suffer the sheeple on both sides to duke it out with their slogans from their respective motherships while the actual brains try to figure out where we go from here...

[aright]

It has been obvious for some time that TM's plan is not going to work out so down the pub last night Cornflake came up with a new proposal.

We stay as a member of the EU for the next forty odd years and during this time the EU will pay us £55 billion per annum but to be fair we will give some of it back to them on condition they spend it where we tell them to. We will initiate all legislation affecting the EU but member states can have no input to the legislation and can only vote yes or no. After forty more years we will have another referendum.

It was generally agreed after Kneecap had done the count there was nothing not to like about this plan. The plan is familiar territory for the EU so we would not anticipate any problem with 27 member states signing up to it.

 

 

 

 

 

[welovesundaysatspace]

8 minutes ago, aright said:

It has been obvious for some time that TM's plan is not going to work out so down the pub last night Cornflake came up with a new proposal.

We stay as a member of the EU for the next forty odd years and during this time the EU will pay us £55 billion per annum but to be fair we will give some of it back to them on condition they spend it where we tell them to. We will initiate all legislation affecting the EU but member states can have no input to the legislation and can only vote yes or no. After forty more years we will have another referendum.

It was generally agreed after Kneecap had done the count there was nothing not to like about this plan. The plan is familiar territory for the EU so we would not anticipate any problem with 27 member states signing up to it.

Now have another 20 beers and even more nonsense will appear. 

[welovesundaysatspace]

 

Edited March 4, 2019 by welovesundaysatspace

[welovesundaysatspace]

Sir Ivan Rogers has said Britain is not ready to face Brussels in the massively complex trade negotiations that will begin if Theresa May gets her Brexit deal through parliament: 

“[The future trade negotiation] is a much bigger task for London - for Whitehall and Westminster - than the negotiation we have just been through. It’s going to involve every department of state in depth from the top of those departments right down through the system ...

You’ve got to have confidence as chief trade negotiator, both at an official and ministerial level, that you have got a highly competent set of people in every area from aviation to energy to phytosanitary to competition to employment. In every area, you’ve got to have vetted that team, know it’s got the capabilities, know it’s got the resources, know it’s got the legal framework and the background and be at least as good as the team on the opposite side of the table. It isn’t the case. We are not in that position.“

(https://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/live/2019/mar/04/brexit-latest-news-admits-16bn-for-poorer-towns-to-be-spent-over-next-seven-years-politics-live)

[bomber]

1 hour ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

Sir Ivan Rogers has said Britain is not ready to face Brussels in the massively complex trade negotiations that will begin if Theresa May gets her Brexit deal through parliament: 

“[The future trade negotiation] is a much bigger task for London - for Whitehall and Westminster - than the negotiation we have just been through. It’s going to involve every department of state in depth from the top of those departments right down through the system ...

You’ve got to have confidence as chief trade negotiator, both at an official and ministerial level, that you have got a highly competent set of people in every area from aviation to energy to phytosanitary to competition to employment. In every area, you’ve got to have vetted that team, know it’s got the capabilities, know it’s got the resources, know it’s got the legal framework and the background and be at least as good as the team on the opposite side of the table. It isn’t the case. We are not in that position.“

(https://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/live/2019/mar/04/brexit-latest-news-admits-16bn-for-poorer-towns-to-be-spent-over-next-seven-years-politics-live)

its perfectly clear trade deals with any worthwhile nations (no disrespect to palastine and the faroes) are years away and the country cannot afford to wait and just hope they come along,this more than anything else is the reason MPs wont let a no deal happen,and its about time the few MPs left who still want brexit had the balls to just admit defeat for the good of the country and go and form another party together and fight another day if they are that united and dedicated to brexit.

[welovesundaysatspace]

More from him:

 

”These fantasies of release and liberation – they are fantasies. We are going to be negotiating on everything from aviation to farming for evermore with our biggest neighbour. We cannot live in glorious isolation. Talk to the Swiss and to the Norwegians – they live in a permanent state of negotiation with the EU.” (...) Rogers predicted a (...) brutal row over the UK’s requirement to pay its outstanding negotiated payments to the EU.

(https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/mar/04/theresa-may-did-not-understand-eu-when-she-triggered-brexit)

[Loiner]

Sir Ivan Rogers has said Britain is not ready to face Brussels in the massively complex trade negotiations that will begin if Theresa May gets her Brexit deal through parliament: 

“[The future trade negotiation] is a much bigger task for London - for Whitehall and Westminster - than the negotiation we have just been through. It’s going to involve every department of state in depth from the top of those departments right down through the system ...
You’ve got to have confidence as chief trade negotiator, both at an official and ministerial level, that you have got a highly competent set of people in every area from aviation to energy to phytosanitary to competition to employment. In every area, you’ve got to have vetted that team, know it’s got the capabilities, know it’s got the resources, know it’s got the legal framework and the background and be at least as good as the team on the opposite side of the table. It isn’t the case. We are not in that position.“
(https://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/live/2019/mar/04/brexit-latest-news-admits-16bn-for-poorer-towns-to-be-spent-over-next-seven-years-politics-live)

Still not coming up with anything to not Leave. Ivan Rogers is a civil servant and passenger on the EU gravy train. Sound like a bone idle one too.
Theresa’s ‘Bribes’ to poorer constituencies and Leave areas? Smacks of a desperate attempt to persuade predominantly LAB MPs to back her deal. Still won’t persuade the electorate, who can see past that.


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[Grouse]

https://www.bbc.com/news/av/uk-politics-47442605/john-bercow-chides-ministers-for-tax-bill-discourtesy

 

Bad day at HoC starring John Bercow as Spencer Tracy!

 

What a calumny! Government looking to delay tax avoidance and money laundering efforts by 3 years

 

Ailing Grayling fails to turn up to answer to parliament for 33M Eurotunnel payoff and 500M probation service rip off

 

May states no correlation between 20,000 fewer police and rising knife crime

 

1.6B bribe to leave towns laughed at as being far less than EU regional support AND a tiny fraction of austerity cuts to councils

 

Time Tories were kicked out.

Edited March 5, 2019 by Grouse

[malagateddy]

Time to let proven hard headed businessmen/women take over all the wheeling/dealing with the brussels mob....bin the civil servants..particularly remaining ones.
Hire the best people to do the job for the British people..obviously no one of the eu need apply.
Remoaning T May's made a total <deleted> up of everything..it's time she was sent out to pasture.

More from him:
 
”These fantasies of release and liberation – they are fantasies. We are going to be negotiating on everything from aviation to farming for evermore with our biggest neighbour. We cannot live in glorious isolation. Talk to the Swiss and to the Norwegians – they live in a permanent state of negotiation with the EU.” (...) Rogers predicted a (...) brutal row over the UK’s requirement to pay its outstanding negotiated payments to the EU.
(https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/mar/04/theresa-may-did-not-understand-eu-when-she-triggered-brexit)

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[malagateddy]

I suppose we could give them a tenner monthly..once they explain in great detail to the UK tax-payers why the eu accounts have not been signed off for over 20 years
Where has the very copious amounts of unacounted money went to?????
Drunkard's wine collection etc etc ???

Time to let proven hard headed businessmen/women take over all the wheeling/dealing with the brussels mob....bin the civil servants..particularly remaining ones.
Hire the best people to do the job for the British people..obviously no one of the eu need apply.
Remoaning T May's made a total up of everything..it's time she was sent out to pasture.




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[welovesundaysatspace]

10 minutes ago, malagateddy said:

I suppose we could give them a tenner monthly..once they explain in great detail to the UK tax-payers why the eu accounts have not been signed off for over 20 years

Except they have. Don’t let leave liars tell you lies. 

 

[malagateddy]

Except they have. Don’t let leave liars tell you lies. 
 

If you mean that all the financial people of the member eu countries..ha ha ha..I remember a certain G Osborne voting against signing them off a few years ago..but of course the rest of the patsys out-voted him.How much money has went awol thro the years??
Why not buy and read " Brussels laid bare" by Marta Andreason..it will open your eyes..it exposes everything.
She was a Senior Accountant for the corrupt eu..she refused to sign off various accounts..she was knifed in the back by a certain welsh windbag by the name of N Kinnock
Buy it and read it!!!

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[Grouse]

58 minutes ago, malagateddy said:

I suppose we could give them a tenner monthly..once they explain in great detail to the UK tax-payers why the eu accounts have not been signed off for over 20 years
Where has the very copious amounts of unacounted money went to?????
Drunkard's wine collection etc etc ???

 

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Time you got your facts straight, Greengrass!

[malagateddy]

My facts are straight!! Plenty grass in phuket I see

Time you got your facts straight, Greengrass!

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[talahtnut]

22 minutes ago, Grouse said:

Time you got your facts straight, Greengrass!

Facts from UK government are made up according to what

they want to prove. Thats only fact you need to know.

[evadgib]

This ITV Investigation was a bit of an eye opener on IPlayer this morning.

[billd766]

12 hours ago, baboon said:

A link to prove the original assertion you should be surely be calling for first...?

 

Newcastle and County Durham are now 97.2% Remain. How do I know? I made it up on the spot and as everyone knows in 2019, that is good enough.

 

Except it isn't. Bill, I know you we disagree on the Brexit issue, but don't allow yourself to be dragged down to this level of non-debate. Just suffer the sheeple on both sides to duke it out with their slogans from their respective motherships while the actual brains try to figure out where we go from here...

I am sure I posted to the other one as well but TBH I am bored sh1tless with Brexit and the sad and bad news is that it won't die a natural death on 29th March.

 

If anything it will get worse and not better (at least on TVF). I think I will take a break from the 30th from the Brexit forums and broaden my perceptual horizons.

[Grouse]

1 hour ago, malagateddy said:

My facts are straight!! Plenty grass in phuket I see

 

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https://fullfact.org/europe/did-auditors-sign-eu-budget/

 

Please don't post disinformation here.

 

Its hard to tell if this is done with malintent, ignorance or stupidity. Anyway, the situation is complex enough and serious enough without bringing fake news in to the mix. Thanks.

[Grouse]

1 hour ago, evadgib said:

This ITV Investigation was a bit of an eye opener on IPlayer this morning.

Yes, this is quite appalling 

 

Doesn't matter which side of the divide your are on this must be stopped

 

I suggest banning all "social" media until they can moderate themselves properly. 24 month prison sentences for obscene and or violent threats.

 

What kind of country has the U.K. Become?

 

Stop Brexit and everything else until we have 20,000 more police and social media blocked.

[dick dasterdly]

1 hour ago, evadgib said:

This ITV Investigation was a bit of an eye opener on IPlayer this morning.

Link?

[Loiner]

Yes, this is quite appalling 
 
Doesn't matter which side of the divide your are on this must be stopped
 
I suggest banning all "social" media until they can moderate themselves properly. 24 month prison sentences for obscene and or violent threats.
 
What kind of country has the U.K. Become?
 
Stop Brexit and everything else until we have 20,000 more police and social media blocked.

Banning all social media - LOL what would you lot do with your time??
The biggest culprit of internet bulling must be the twatershpere. Loads of like minded Remainers on there. Always immediate vilification of any poor soul who sports an opinion to the contrary. Source of many death threats too, according to some.
I reckon the next biggest font of nonsense and moral outrage has got to be mumsnet. I wouldn’t qualify for reading it myself, but can see the fallout around the rest of MSM.
At least TVF has some balance...sometimes.


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[talahtnut]

40 minutes ago, Grouse said:

https://fullfact.org/europe/did-auditors-sign-eu-budget/

 

Please don't post disinformation here.

 

Its hard to tell if this is done with malintent, ignorance or stupidity. Anyway, the situation is complex enough and serious enough without bringing fake news in to the mix. Thanks.

Get off your high horse Grouse, and check out who funds

the fullfact.org  Not a pretty 'sight'.

Edited March 5, 2019 by talahtnut
addition

[dick dasterdly]

1 hour ago, billd766 said:

I am sure I posted to the other one as well but TBH I am bored sh1tless with Brexit and the sad and bad news is that it won't die a natural death on 29th March.

 

If anything it will get worse and not better (at least on TVF). I think I will take a break from the 30th from the Brexit forums and broaden my perceptual horizons.

Agree entirely with the first para. - but it is entertaining to watch the uk govt. desperately try to find a way to effect BRINO...

 

I disagree with your second para., as I think it will be uk citizens that voted for brexit that will eventually become even more annoyed with their govt. as they backtrack, delay and try every measure to ignore the referendum result.

 

Us TV posters are quite rightly, irrelevant - and of course as it drags on, we'll continue posting.  If the uk and eu govts. get their way, and we end up with BRINO, plus paying a large sum for the privilege - it depends on how uk voters react.  If they don't care, there's no reason for us to drone on!

[vogie]

8 minutes ago, Grouse said:

Yes, this is quite appalling 

 

Doesn't matter which side of the divide your are on this must be stopped

 

I suggest banning all "social" media until they can moderate themselves properly. 24 month prison sentences for obscene and or violent threats.

 

What kind of country has the U.K. Become?

 

Stop Brexit and everything else until we have 20,000 more police and social media blocked.

Yes it is terrible, it is all too easy now for people to hide behind a computer and say what they want, I doubt very much if these people would say the same face to face. We have it here on ThaiVisa where some people name call and again would they do it face to face.

 

"What kind of country has the U.K. Become?"

Do you just think that this is just a UK problem, I havn't checked but I should imagine where ever you find computers there will be certain amount of 'keyboard warriors', very brave till confronted.

[welovesundaysatspace]

14 minutes ago, talahtnut said:

Get off your high horse Grouse, and check out who funds

the fullfact.org  Not a pretty 'sight'.

You should get a good therapist for your paranoid belief in conspiracy theories. And better look under your bed who might be hiding there.

[dick dasterdly]

48 minutes ago, Grouse said:

https://fullfact.org/europe/did-auditors-sign-eu-budget/

 

Please don't post disinformation here.

 

Its hard to tell if this is done with malintent, ignorance or stupidity. Anyway, the situation is complex enough and serious enough without bringing fake news in to the mix. Thanks.

I looked into this a while ago, and can't be bothered to do so again.

 

As far as I could make out, the eu auditors 'sort-of signed off' their accounts, whilst also saying that there were serious discrepancies in various areas, and as far as they could make out - a fair amount of the money spent was 'unaccountable'.