Loiner Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 No, it’s a global trade rule issue and it is very real. Similarly, if the EU, via the northern Irish border let british products in without checking, then the rest of the world will be entitled to this under WTO rules. You guys actually voted for this. You wanted this. Why are you having a whinge - and blaming others - when the reality is presented to you?No, it’s a non-issue. The problem is the EU and sometimes yo-yo Ireland using it to try and frustrate Brexit. Sent from my iPhone using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samran Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 2 minutes ago, Loiner said: No, it’s a non-issue. The problem is the EU and sometimes yo-yo Ireland using it to try and frustrate Brexit. Sent from my iPhone using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app Seriously head in the sand stuff. With breixit comes hard borders. Nothing unusual about that, it’s what you voted for... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welovesundaysatspace Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 4 minutes ago, Loiner said: No, it’s a non-issue. The problem is the EU and sometimes yo-yo Ireland using it to try and frustrate Brexit. The problem is that Brexiteers don’t have a clue about WTO rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samran Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 20 minutes ago, Loiner said: What regulations do you want to enforce? Sent from my iPhone using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app The ones that usually come along with taking back control of your borders... wasnt that the point of all of this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evadgib Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 The electoral commission (EC) has accepted Ferages Brexit party registration which might shortly prove useful ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loiner Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 1 hour ago, samran said: The ones that usually come along with taking back control of your borders... wasnt that the point of all of this? Yes, and we decide if we need to erect a border between NI and Ireland, not the EU. Ireland can if it wants to. Then Dublin can be responsible for any effects to the GFA within the island of Ireland. The UK can control whatever it wishes to and by whatever means, along our side of the NI/Ireland border. The UK can also take back control of its' sea borders, probably with a different approach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samran Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 21 minutes ago, evadgib said: The electoral commission (EC) has accepted Ferages Brexit party registration which might shortly prove useful ???? Well his time as an MEP is coming to an end shortly. He needs a new public teet to feed off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samran Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 1 minute ago, Loiner said: Yes, and we decide if we need to erect a border between NI and Ireland, not the EU. Ireland can if it wants to. Then Dublin can be responsible for any effects to the GFA within the island of Ireland. The UK can control whatever it wishes to and by whatever means, along our side of the NI/Ireland border. The UK can also take back control of its' sea borders, probably with a different approach. You seem to think this is some sort of voluntary thing that you can pick and choose with. You can’t treat your land border one way and your sea border another. That’s the whole reason you guys don’t like the backstop idea, remember? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evadgib Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 2 minutes ago, samran said: Well his time as an MEP is coming to an end shortly. He needs a new public teet to feed off. Methinks you missed the point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samran Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 1 minute ago, evadgib said: Methinks you missed the point. 1 minute ago, evadgib said: Methinks you missed the point. I get it he is a hero to some. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loiner Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 2 minutes ago, samran said: You seem to think this is some sort of voluntary thing that you can pick and choose with. You can’t treat your land border one way and your sea border another. That’s the whole reason you guys don’t like the backstop idea, remember? Entirely possible to treat different borders with different countries in different ways. The backstop is only an EU/May construct to frustrate Brexit, remember? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grouse Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 25 minutes ago, evadgib said: The electoral commission (EC) has accepted Ferages Brexit party registration which might shortly prove useful ???? Brexit came about only because of Tory fears about UKIP This new party will now split the Tories anyway ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evadgib Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 1 minute ago, samran said: I get it he is a hero to some. Others see it as unfinished business & I suspect that includes him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welovesundaysatspace Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 8 minutes ago, Loiner said: The UK can control whatever it wishes to and by whatever means, along our side of the NI/Ireland border. The UK can also take back control of its' sea borders, probably with a different approach. Please elaborate how that works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grouse Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 6 minutes ago, samran said: You seem to think this is some sort of voluntary thing that you can pick and choose with. You can’t treat your land border one way and your sea border another. That’s the whole reason you guys don’t like the backstop idea, remember? Sometimes I feel sorry for the Brexiter camp. They have all the morons in their tent. It must be exasperating for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samran Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 5 minutes ago, Loiner said: Entirely possible to treat different borders with different countries in different ways. The backstop is only an EU/May construct to frustrate Brexit, remember? Only if you have a special WTO compliant agreement with them. And in this case it will be one border with the EU. You can’t pick and chose which bits of the EU border get treated differently. You also think nothing of the GFA agreement and it’s implications. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melvinmelvin Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 43 minutes ago, evadgib said: The electoral commission (EC) has accepted Ferages Brexit party registration which might shortly prove useful ???? not sure if this is interesting or not, a snippet below "Nigel Farage, the former Ukip leader who is supporting the party, said "the engine is running" and he stood "ready for battle" to fight the Tories and Labour if European Parliament elections are held on May 23. Political space for a new anti-EU party has been created by the lurch to the right by the UK Independence Party, which has been adopting" what does this actually mean? thought the idea was to leave EU on the 29th next month? or have I missed smth, (as usual)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evadgib Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 7 minutes ago, melvinmelvin said: not sure if this is interesting or not, a snippet below "Nigel Farage, the former Ukip leader who is supporting the party, said "the engine is running" and he stood "ready for battle" to fight the Tories and Labour if European Parliament elections are held on May 23. Political space for a new anti-EU party has been created by the lurch to the right by the UK Independence Party, which has been adopting" what does this actually mean? thought the idea was to leave EU on the 29th next month? or have I missed smth, (as usual)? If they tamper as feared with our leaving date (29 March) there will be little choice but for UK to field candidates for the EU elections in May as we will still be members of the EU. The last thing they want is Farage back for another term & a posse of like-minded others joining him. HTH (Remember when SNP had 56 MPs in westminster?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melvinmelvin Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 21 minutes ago, Grouse said: Brexit came about only because of Tory fears about UKIP This new party will now split the Tories anyway ???? what is the raison d'etre of this new party? who is behind its conception? why does Farage talk about fighting Tory/Labour in May EP elections? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melvinmelvin Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 4 minutes ago, evadgib said: If they tamper as feared with our leaving date (29 March) there will be little choice but for UK to field candidates for the EU elections in May as we will still be members of the EU. The last thing they want is Farage back for another term & a posse of like-minded others joining him. Farage might have a bright future as a stand up comedian, EU has little humour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tebee Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 2 minutes ago, melvinmelvin said: what is the raison d'etre of this new party? who is behind its conception? why does Farage talk about fighting Tory/Labour in May EP elections? My guess would be he's doing it to scare the Tories - threatening to split their vote if if the hold another GE. It a device to pushing us to fall out with nodeal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sawadee1947 Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 On 11/29/2018 at 7:59 AM, RAZZELL said: Try googling Luxembourg leaks and see how crooked the EU is... Nearly £1bn in tax breaks per year to big corporations. And the EU stands up for workers rights??? Do me a favour! That's why "socialists" like Corbyn have always voted against the EU in parliament. The EU, The Commission and Commissioners are in the pockets of big business and the banks... only those who go in in for competitive virtual signalling on Facebook and the like can't see otherwise... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luxembourg_Leaks https://www.icij.org/investigations/luxembourg-leaks/ RAZZ Another one believing in fake news. Grow up Laddie, It's not too late Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loiner Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 4 minutes ago, tebee said: My guess would be he's doing it to scare the Tories - threatening to split their vote if if the hold another GE. It a device to pushing us to fall out with nodeal Not only to scare the Tories, but to pick up the votes of those disaffected by the current CON MPs who ignore their voters. Equally to take the LAB voters who have finally seen the light about their party. He may well take some UKIP votes too. Hopefully it will push us out No Deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loiner Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 37 minutes ago, welovesundaysatspace said: Please elaborate how that works. Tell me exactly what it is you want to enforce and I'll tell you how. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melvinmelvin Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 33 minutes ago, Grouse said: Brexit came about only because of Tory fears about UKIP This new party will now split the Tories anyway ???? a split of Tory would be very good if a Labour split followed - just excellent UK might enter an interesting political terrain Assuming that the UK will not resort to remain, I can see some justification for a new Brexit/UKIP oriented party. Divorce deal Brexit will leave years and years of negotiations with EU. No deal Brexit - likewise - presumably shorter though. Will take looooooong time to disentangle UK and EU. This to be handled by whom? Tory-May with unruly mob (Geve MRJ bojo. Raab DD shouting in the background)? Get some new people onto the stage - sound. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welovesundaysatspace Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 3 minutes ago, Loiner said: Tell me exactly what it is you want to enforce and I'll tell you how. How often do I have to tell until you read? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dick dasterdly Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 1 hour ago, evadgib said: The electoral commission (EC) has accepted Ferages Brexit party registration which might shortly prove useful ???? Christ almighty.... So we are back to square one...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loiner Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 47 minutes ago, welovesundaysatspace said: How often do I have to tell until you read? I'll take that as a "I don't know.." then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanemax Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 2 hours ago, evadgib said: The electoral commission (EC) has accepted Ferages Brexit party registration which might shortly prove useful ???? That story isnt correct . Ferange hasnt formed a new Party , someone else formed a Party and he would be willing to run as a candidate and that political party will only become active IF Brexit is delayed Heres the real story https://news.sky.com/story/nigel-farage-hints-at-becoming-leader-of-newly-recognised-brexit-party-11632003 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bomber Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 5 hours ago, Loiner said: We should leave the Eurovision too. Another shambles where tactical voting against the UK is obvious. Sent from my iPhone using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app now its official,you are paranoid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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