The Official Rubber Tree Thread

[jmccarty]

Is the AM production figure correct on average for Thailand. Says 20kg per .06 hectare per month? Rubber pledging scheme 

[thaiguzzi]

1 hour ago, jmccarty said:

Is the AM production figure correct on average for Thailand. Says 20kg per .06 hectare per month? Rubber pledging scheme 

Don't really understand what you are trying to say? Are you talking about average yield per rai?

Cup?

Latex?

Sheet?

What area of Thailand?

How old are the trees?

Variables, variables.

How long is a piece of string?

The missus, as a registered plantation owner, is due in on the scheme/scam, it's something like 1500 Baht per calendar month for 6 months for 25 rai max, or 1500 Baht per rai as a one off, max 25 rai, but the tappers will get most of it, or something equally complicated and un-understandable,  i lost interest after 5 minutes. I never do with these govt funded subsidies.

We've had several over the years.

Still, better than a kick in the teeth.

[jmccarty]

4 hours ago, thaiguzzi said:

Don't really understand what you are trying to say? Are you talking about average yield per rai?

Cup?

Latex?

Sheet?

What area of Thailand?

How old are the trees?

Variables, variables.

How long is a piece of string?

The missus, as a registered plantation owner, is due in on the scheme/scam, it's something like 1500 Baht per calendar month for 6 months for 25 rai max, or 1500 Baht per rai as a one off, max 25 rai, but the tappers will get most of it, or something equally complicated and un-understandable,  i lost interest after 5 minutes. I never do with these govt funded subsidies.

We've had several over the years.

Still, better than a kick in the teeth.

The article from the AM does not have more detail, hence the question. Ok, 1,500bht per month per rai projected at 25bht/kilo of cup rubber?  I'll look at it again tomorrow, 

[thaiguzzi]

Sold cup at auction yesterday, 20.77 Baht per kg.

[grollies]

10 hours ago, thaiguzzi said:

Sold cup at auction yesterday, 20.77 Baht per kg.

Yesterday, B18.5/kg, good production though, +400kg and its been raining.

[thaiguzzi]

42 minutes ago, grollies said:

Yesterday, B18.5/kg, good production though, +400kg and its been raining.

Ditto here, wet and been hot too, but we did 1250+ kgs which is not too shabby for this time of year.

[IsaanAussie]

Here is a youtube documentary for all you super rich rubber barons. Just joking, how judgemental can these jet setters get?

 

 

[thaiguzzi]

The first half, set in TH - what a crock!

The next 5 minutes or so set in Cambo - depressingly sad and shameful, and we all know, inc politicians and companies in the West, that it is going on. But..........

The last part - interviewing the giant corporate conglomerates - who don't wanna talk.... Quelle surprise...

Who'da thunk it.

I've never seen the retail price of a tyre........ drop..............

[thaiguzzi]

Just got today's auction prices through on the wife's Line App.

19.25 Baht per kg for cup.

12 bidders, 2 other's in 19's the rest 18 something or other.

Good output for this time of year, but... we get paid out tomorrow and will be going to a 55/45 split.

Unfortunately.

The wife is part of some Mekong-Isaan Rubber group, and the prices east of us in Bung Khan and Mukdahan etc have been all over the place the last month.

All 4-5 Baht less than we have been getting, like 14, 15 16 Baht per kg.

Crazy!

Our local auction place bought sheet last month, get this, the winning bid was 38.38 Baht per kg !!!!!

[thaiguzzi]

Forgot to mention,

first time ever we have done 2 tonnes output in a fortnight in September.

2 tonnes/14 days normally starts mid-late October.

We could be on our first 3 tonnes/14 days output by December....

 

[grollies]

B16.5/kg today. Told by the depot guy the govt is to start subsidising us (farms <25 rai) to bring the price to B23/kg. Amount calculated (by the govt) on an average production per rai.

 

TG if I remember rightly your farm is 64 rai. So Sept you'd be averaging 32 kg/rai? That would be around the same as us at a much smaller 10 rai / 310kg just sold. Hope you are right on the production increasing. We are getting a little more rain here at the moment but nothing spectacular.

[grollies]

Update on weather - it is now pissing down every day, dark enough at 2pm to turn on all the lights on sensors.

[thaiguzzi]

Oh <deleted>...

 

https://www.ft.com/content/50b6a9c4-e5dc-11e9-9743-db5a370481bc

 

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-10-04/giant-chinese-trader-s-halt-on-rubber-dealing-sparks-price-rout

[grollies]

11 hours ago, thaiguzzi said:

Oh <deleted>...

 

https://www.ft.com/content/50b6a9c4-e5dc-11e9-9743-db5a370481bc

 

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-10-04/giant-chinese-trader-s-halt-on-rubber-dealing-sparks-price-rout

Possibly to do with the forecasted price of oil dropping even lower?

[thaiguzzi]

Sold cup at auction yesterday.

Still great output for this time of year, but <deleted>ty prices.

Lowest we have ever got in 9 seasons of tapping.

17.75 Baht per kg... ????

[thaiguzzi]

Sold cup at auction yesterday, 18.30 Baht per kg.

[grollies]

1 hour ago, thaiguzzi said:

Sold cup at auction yesterday, 18.30 Baht per kg.

Cup last week here was B16.5/kg but production was up 23%

[Mosha]

Sold today, and been told it's the last one until further notice.

[kwonitoy]

24 minutes ago, Mosha said:

Sold today, and been told it's the last one until further notice.

What price did you get, was it an auction or private gate sale?

[Mosha]

The locals who have cut down their old rubber trees, are replacing them with durian. Stand by for a durian crash in 6 years.

[surat04]

2 hours ago, Mosha said:

The locals who have cut down their old rubber trees, are replacing them with durian. Stand by for a durian crash in 6 years.

They've been doing it all over the south for the last 3 years. Every where you look in Surat thani there are young Durian trees.

 

[thoongfoned]

 (udon thani) the rubber auctions start back up  in a couple of days... from what i heard

[Mosha]

Hi guys. Well just letting everyone know we've sold our land with the rubber on. The money has gone in part to finance my visa extension. So that's it we are out of farming. Good luck to everyone.

[IsaanAussie]

7 hours ago, Mosha said:

Hi guys. Well just letting everyone know we've sold our land with the rubber on. The money has gone in part to finance my visa extension. So that's it we are out of farming. Good luck to everyone.

Wishing you the best of luck for the future. Thanks for your posts over the years.  I'll let Jim Collister know, he is back in Oz

[PhilippeKP]

How much do you get per kg for cup lumbs of rubber in your area ?

 

[cjinchiangrai]

Hi, the family in Chiang Rai is cutting down their longan trees after the price collapsed and they say they want to plant rubber on the promises of the local buyer/shipper. I really hate the idea. I am wondering what might be a viable crop where the shippers do not squeeze out all of the money from the farmers.

 

[CLW]

1 hour ago, cjinchiangrai said:

Hi, the family in Chiang Rai is cutting down their longan trees after the price collapsed and they say they want to plant rubber on the promises of the local buyer/shipper. I really hate the idea. I am wondering what might be a viable crop where the shippers do not squeeze out all of the money from the farmers.

 

Yes, agree. Very bad idea. Better keep the longan trees with minimum maintenance until prices are recovering. Trust me, the way are explaining it, all your neighbors in the area have the same idea, Thais like to copy or listen to shady middlemen.

Do you know how long it takes until you can harvest latex from the trees? between 7 to 10 years. God knows how the rubber price is at that time.

Also,´who will cut and collect the latex in the middle of the night? Has the family thought about that? No more sabai sabai as with fruit trees.

[farmerjo]

3 hours ago, cjinchiangrai said:

Hi, the family in Chiang Rai is cutting down their longan trees after the price collapsed and they say they want to plant rubber on the promises of the local buyer/shipper. I really hate the idea. I am wondering what might be a viable crop where the shippers do not squeeze out all of the money from the farmers.

 

Good time to make charcoal from the trees and cash in on rising gas prices.

Not sure what would be a good long term replacement,all much of a muchness the way the government manipulate prices.

[Cybersonic]

I'm bringing the thread out of the shadows. Maybe it'll be interesting for one or two people.

The price of rubber in Buriram was

30 THB/kilo from February to the end of March.

April to mid-May 32 THB/kilo

Mid-May to currently 36 THB/kilo, and still rising.