Britain can end Brexit unilaterally, EU court advisor says

[StreetCowboy]

12 minutes ago, bomber said:

what might? it finished years ago we only have rolls royce left <deleted>,new deals will take years in the meantime the nation goes into recession and theres a world one just starting and as usual it will hit the UK the hardest,not the time to be taking risks iam afraid,is the pound below 40 yet?

You are being unnecessarily negative.  Britain was great once, and could be so again.  According to many on here, Europe is sinking into anarchy, and regardless of our poverty, we will be better off than our continental neighbours.  Why do you look only at your own selfish viewpoint of exchange rates? How much worse will it be for the people of limited opportunity in the industrial heartlands of the UK, confined to parochial marginalisation on the edge of the continent?  

 

Rather than feel sorry for yourself, perhaps you should feel sorry for your compatriots left at home to suffer the full consequences of the referendum.

[aright]

49 minutes ago, Grouse said:

Been fine for the past 45 years!

 

We can fix what needs fixing except Brexiter cry babies are too soft to standup to the EU and have to run away 

"The problem with the more fanatical supporters of the European project is that they are what Hayek called constructivists: they believe that they have the intelligence and ability to remake the world afresh. History and traditions are irrelevant. They have a neat and tidy mindset, and the messiness of national diversity riles them. They have no time for trial and error: they are convinced that they know the truth, and wish to impose it on everybody. Their arrogance beggars belief. "

[elliss]

29 minutes ago, StreetCowboy said:

"Sadly I fear not many TV posters , do not live in Thailand ,and yet continually comment on this topic ."

 

Please could you re-word that sentence to make it clear?
Are you saying that people who do not live in Thailand should not post regarding Brexit? 

 

Perhaps it would be better if TV did not carry threads on overseas issues which are irrelevant to The Kingdom. 

Many people who live outside Thailand have an interest in things that go on in Thailand and elsewhere, but perhaps you think they should not be allowed to post on this forum?

You may want to review, and make your point more clearly.

 

SC

                    Thank you , for your reply , have done .

                           Editing posts on TV,  sometimes  can be  a tad  difficult . 

29 minutes ago, StreetCowboy said:

 

 

 

 

[nontabury]

1 hour ago, nauseus said:

No. It's been regressively not so fine. The UK voting history failures and similar poor veto success rate show that we will not be able to fix the "fix" that is the EU. Forget it!

 

Did’t David Cameron try to persuade the Bureaucrats in Brussels to slightly change direction, just before the 2016 referendum,but to no avail.

Like I said earlier, if the powers that be, had only left this Union to a Trading block, then Brexit would never had occurred.

 

[welovesundaysatspace]

46 minutes ago, nontabury said:

 

Did’t David Cameron try to persuade the Bureaucrats in Brussels to slightly change direction, just before the 2016 referendum,but to no avail.

Like I said earlier, if the powers that be, had only left this Union to a Trading block, then Brexit would never had occurred.

 

Good that no one gave in to this blackmail. When one partner in a relationship constantly demands to have it her way, then blackmails you to break up shouldn’t you give in again, and after she packed her bag with lots of noise suddenly discovers that standing on her feet isn’t that easy so she comes back begging for a second chance, then it’s probably time to let that spoiled brat go. (I am not talking about the UK, of course, just the Brexiteers and what they have created). 

[SheungWan]

2 hours ago, StreetCowboy said:

It's not a problem, because the wishes of the British people are clear.  When she is defeated in parliament, someone will arise to represent the wishes of the British people, and they will get the unequivocal support of both people and parliament on that basis.  

It might be worth getting a representative thousand random members of the public to draw up a clear mandate for what they wanted from Brexit, to help guide May's successor.  That shouldn't be too difficult, should it? 

And stick you in the middle of them. Should be a doddle.

[SheungWan]

1 hour ago, aright said:

"The problem with the more fanatical supporters of the European project is that they are what Hayek called constructivists: they believe that they have the intelligence and ability to remake the world afresh. History and traditions are irrelevant. They have a neat and tidy mindset, and the messiness of national diversity riles them. They have no time for trial and error: they are convinced that they know the truth, and wish to impose it on everybody. Their arrogance beggars belief. "

And which nutty Brexiteer said that? 

[aright]

8 minutes ago, SheungWan said:

And which nutty Brexiteer said that? 

Friedrich A Hayek, Lecturer on Monetary Economics at the LSE and shared Nobel prize winner. ????

 

 

[bomber]

1 hour ago, StreetCowboy said:

You are being unnecessarily negative.  Britain was great once, and could be so again.  According to many on here, Europe is sinking into anarchy, and regardless of our poverty, we will be better off than our continental neighbours.  Why do you look only at your own selfish viewpoint of exchange rates? How much worse will it be for the people of limited opportunity in the industrial heartlands of the UK, confined to parochial marginalisation on the edge of the continent?  

 

Rather than feel sorry for yourself, perhaps you should feel sorry for your compatriots left at home to suffer the full consequences of the referendum.

correct Britain was great once,i remember my dad saying exactly the same thing about 35-40 years ago but it never will be again,ex rates mean little to me,Brits will never be better off than germans,french,dutch etc the benefit scrounging system and personal debt has seen to that,you say limited opportunity for industry,well we have very little left and what is left have stated nigh on everyday since brexit that staying in the EU is paramount or they will relocate/scale down operations,your right brits are going to suffer the full consequences for years

[bomber]

18 minutes ago, aright said:

Friedrich A Hayek, Lecturer on Monetary Economics at the LSE and shared Nobel prize winner. ????

 

 

what could he possibly know? Boris knows better????????  i thought he had passed away as ive not seen him on TV for several weeks,low and behold he turned up on the BBC website today something to do with not declaring £50,000 as he forgot ????,would probably of been front page news if it wasnt for the brexit mess he created,the next PM ???? my backside,a fat,fake,fraud of a man.

[nontabury]

5 hours ago, StreetCowboy said:

They might also be wavering because they believe that it will be a disaster, regardless of what their constituents think.  We don't elect politicians to be our puppets, we elect them to make decisions on our behalf.  To understand difficult decisions on our behalf, and make those decisions in our best interests, according to broad principles on which they are elected.  Good on our MPs for doing their job, and trying to execute "The Last Will of the People" that cannot be changed, to the least detriment of the country.

 

Well a number of our M.P’s do not agree with you. He covers a few facts regarding referendums and the Attorney General take on T.Mays capitulation to Brussels.

 

 

[tebee]

The tides are turning....

 

[lamyai3]

On 12/5/2018 at 9:13 PM, Retiredandhappyhere said:

The latest "non-binding" statement from the ECJ is designed to encourage UK MP's to vote to turn down May's deal and vote to stay in the EU.

Binding version coming on Monday, ahead of the Tuesday vote. 

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/european-court-of-justice-ruling-on-whether-the-uk-can-cancel-brexit-by-unilaterally-revoking-a4009901.html

[lamyai3]

On 12/5/2018 at 9:44 PM, puipuitom said:

I live in KENT, and want to be completely independant from London.

Isn't Kent that huge lorry park, just over from Calais? 

[bomber]

TV news is all about falling markets and bad times ahead,what a time to be dealing with brexit.

[SheungWan]

4 hours ago, aright said:

Friedrich A Hayek, Lecturer on Monetary Economics at the LSE and shared Nobel prize winner. ????

Would that be the same Friedrich Hayek who supported Pinochet in Chile?

[melvinmelvin]

39 minutes ago, tebee said:

The tides are turning....

 

 

 

joke?

or based on polls?

 

 

[lamyai3]

1 hour ago, tebee said:

The tides are turning....

 

Since the green patch involves East Anglia, it's probably the work of Alan Partridge, "voice of hard Brexit"

Edited December 6, 2018 by lamyai3

[SheungWan]

7 hours ago, StreetCowboy said:

You are being unnecessarily negative.  Britain was great once, and could be so again. 

As soon as the UK is out of the EU it can go back to producing the Morris Ital and the Austin Cambridge.

[melvinmelvin]

18 minutes ago, SheungWan said:

As soon as the UK is out of the EU it can go back to producing the Morris Ital and the Austin Cambridge.

 

using your post as vehicle only, can't make a stand alone comment

 

David Graeber, LS of E claims that about 37% of the UK workforce

claims that they are doing meaningless jobs that could just as well be discontinued.

 

They spend most of the workday pretending to appear busy.

 

 

[tebee]

54 minutes ago, melvinmelvin said:

 

 

joke?

or based on polls?

 

 

Polls

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2018/12/06/mays-brexit-deal-leads-just-two-constituencies-it-

[aright]

52 minutes ago, SheungWan said:

Would that be the same Friedrich Hayek who supported Pinochet in Chile?

He never said he supported Pinochet, all he said was he thought Pinochet was better than Allende and you seem to want to criminalise him for that observation. 

His work continues to be influential and Hayek remains one of the most intriguing intellectual figures of our time.

He ranks as one of the leading economists of the last century but obviously a nutter in your book.

[SheungWan]

23 minutes ago, aright said:

He never said he supported Pinochet, all he said was he thought Pinochet was better than Allende and you seem to want to criminalise him for that observation. 

His work continues to be influential and Hayek remains one of the most intriguing intellectual figures of our time.

He ranks as one of the leading economists of the last century but obviously a nutter in your book.

"If we take Professor Hayek literally, a fascist dictatorship of some kind should be regarded as the necessary pre-condition (along with monetarism) of a ‘free society’." Nicholas Kaldor, letter to The Times, October 18, 1978. ......

So now readers have their clue (other than the Thatcherism link) why the forum Hard Brexiteers subscribing to Conspiracy Theories, like to roll out Hayek now and then. Trigger for the Nationalist Revolution they would like to have.

[lamyai3]

47 minutes ago, melvinmelvin said:

David Graeber, LS of E claims that about 37% of the UK workforce

claims that they are doing meaningless jobs that could just as well be discontinued.

 

They spend most of the workday pretending to appear busy.

This is an issue worldwide. Though Thailand seems to be ahead of the game when it involves 20 people to screw in a light bulb. 

[damascase]

10 hours ago, StreetCowboy said:

Once we're on the outside we can establish our own trading standards, our own trade agreements, which, with our industrial and commercial might, will be adopted by all our trading partners.  Having no say in the development of Eurpoean standards, or trading principles, will be a trivial irrelevance. Right?

 

Aren’t you overrating the negotiation power that the UK will have on its own? Why should UK trading partners adopt the UK standards? 

Edited December 7, 2018 by damascase
Typo

[maingmoom]

On 12/5/2018 at 6:20 PM, dunroaming said:

It will be interesting to see what the Brexiteers have to say next week when May's deal is rejected and the only options are Norway style deal (with it's customs union, single market and not being allowed to trade independently.  Let alone restricted control of borders and EU rules) or no-Brexit or back to the people.  Parliament will not contemplate a no deal scenario so I wonder which option the leavers will want then?

Do you not understand ?  We want to leave the EU

[SheungWan]

5 hours ago, melvinmelvin said:

 

using your post as vehicle only, can't make a stand alone comment

David Graeber, LS of E claims that about 37% of the UK workforce

claims that they are doing meaningless jobs that could just as well be discontinued.

They spend most of the workday pretending to appear busy.

While the job is paying an income it is highly meaningful.

[SheungWan]

4 hours ago, lamyai3 said:

This is an issue worldwide. Though Thailand seems to be ahead of the game when it involves 20 people to screw in a light bulb. 

As opposed to the UK where nobody turns up.

[Grouse]

13 hours ago, Jip99 said:

 

 

You will never get to know.

I bet you ????

[SheungWan]

2 hours ago, maingmoom said:

Do you not understand ?  We want to leave the EU

Unfortunately, one's thinking needs to extend to the process. Never mind. back to auto.