Britain can end Brexit unilaterally, EU court advisor says

[bomber]

43 minutes ago, rixalex said:

 

Here's a prediction. You pulled that 90% figure, that you are calling a fact, out of the air.

Are these the same "neutrals" who predicted what merely voting to leave would do to the British economy?


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after the vote economy stalled/slowed down that is a FACT it hasnt crashed as we havent left YET,the predictions for the pound were spot on,the predictions of the impending crash tho were never going to be true so soon because most thought as we were leaving the next day (or very soon after) but we have had 2.5 years to gather info,forecasts etc and the vast majority of these which are by neutral parties predict pain its just a case of how severe,the 5% loss for sterling is the one that will be spot on again when brexit comes,the shouts of GDP dropping 5-10% will be OTT,a 2-3% drop is more likely,job losses will be gradual as companies will take a few years to choose where to move to.

[dick dasterdly]

13 hours ago, bomber said:

on another board there was many like you who were delighted after brexit they soon dwindled away,they thought the hit on the pound would only last 2-3 month and many were predicting back to 50-55 pretty quickly,i said prepare for 35-40 they laffed,as nigel would say not laffing now are they,some probably jumped????    also as you are predicting the downfall of the EU when should i expect a return to €1.60 for the battered pound

"and many were predicting back to 50-55 pretty quickly"

 

"back to 50-55"????  Sterling/bht hadn't been in the 50-55 range for a long time prior to the referendum, IIRC!

 

It briefly rose to just over 50 just before the referendum, when the 'experts' and pollsters were predicting that the result would be remain....  Other than that it had been mostly been around 45-48 (?) for a few years - again IIRC.  It had also been far lower at various points in the previous few years.....

[rixalex]

after the vote economy stalled/slowed down that is a FACT it hasnt crashed as we havent left YET,the predictions for the pound were spot on,the predictions of the impending crash tho were never going to be true so soon because most thought as we were leaving the next day (or very soon after) but we have had 2.5 years to gather info,forecasts etc and the vast majority of these which are by neutral parties predict pain its just a case of how severe,the 5% loss for sterling is the one that will be spot on again when brexit comes,the shouts of GDP dropping 5-10% will be OTT,a 2-3% drop is more likely,job losses will be gradual as companies will take a few years to choose where to move to.

You've just proven my point. Predictions that were made not 20 years in the future, not 10, not 5, not even 2 or 3, but just in the following months following the vote, were undone by what was predicted to happen by these great experts (we would leave immediately or very very soon), not actually happening.

The prediction of the devaluation of the Pound that you celebrate as being sign of their great wisdom, actually, by your admission that predictions were based on a quick departure, shows there was a large element of luck about it. The Pound has devalued because the markets haven't a clue if they are coming or going. Uncertainty is what has really hit them hardest. Had we left immediately or very quickly, the value of the Pound may well have strengthened based on the country not being totally rudderless.

If in such a short space of time, predictions can be skewed by something they thought was certain to happen but didn't, spread all the variables out over a matter of years, all the different decisions that can be taken, the different policies that can be adopted, the different deals struck, the different people voted into power. Such a multitude of different paths it's possible to take. As I say, if you choose to believe these people who tell you they can predict the future and who also tell you that they are totally independent, knock yourself out.

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[dick dasterdly]

14 hours ago, bomber said:

after the vote economy stalled/slowed down that is a FACT it hasnt crashed as we havent left YET,the predictions for the pound were spot on,the predictions of the impending crash tho were never going to be true so soon because most thought as we were leaving the next day (or very soon after) but we have had 2.5 years to gather info,forecasts etc and the vast majority of these which are by neutral parties predict pain its just a case of how severe,the 5% loss for sterling is the one that will be spot on again when brexit comes,the shouts of GDP dropping 5-10% will be OTT,a 2-3% drop is more likely,job losses will be gradual as companies will take a few years to choose where to move to.

"the predictions for the pound were spot on"

 

You weren't reading or commenting on threads at the time around the referendum, so clearly don't realise that brexiteers were agreeing that a leave result would result in sterling falling.  It was the ONE, obvious prediction on which everyone agreed!

 

It didn't take a genius to work out that the money markets hated the idea of brexit and sterling would fall in the result of a leave vote.....

 

The odd thing is (at least to me) that sterling rose shortly before the referendum result.  Why?

Edited December 20, 2018 by dick dasterdly

[AlexRich]

20 hours ago, nauseus said:

They only like to see pro remain slogans on the MS TV. I wonder if he really lives in London?  

 

 

I suspect he does, because otherwise he's travelled a long way to get his little sign on TV?

[AlexRich]

20 hours ago, rixalex said:

No idea what motivates him in particular, but I would guess that it's this sort of I-know-better-than-you condescension, along with the derogatory assumptions and stereotyping, that has had a hand in putting him where he is.

I do wish remainers would cease pretending that they somehow are capable of predicting where the country will be in the next ten or twenty years, in the event of leave or remain. It's a lie.

I accept in the short term predictions can be made that may (stress "may") be reasonably reliable in terms of economic outlook, and I accept that choosing a path of great change rather than a path of status quo is likely to mean a more challenging time that may result in a degree of pain, but looking and predicting further into the future, it's just not possible as there are far too many unknown variables. That goes for if we stay or if we go. For example, if we stay and the EU collapses is ten years time, how much pain would that inflict on Britain? A lot more than if we leave now I would hazard a guess. In such a scenario, will remainers enjoy seeing the markets crash, businesses fail, people losing their jobs, people losing their houses, the country going into its worst ever recession? Will YOU enjoy that happening AlexRich? It's an inflammatory and insulting question right? Of course you wouldn't, because you genuinely believe that the country will be better off in the EU and you want the best for the country and your fellow countrymen.

Is it so hard to extend the same courtesy and respect to the sign man? Is it really beyond your comprehension that he too is fighting for a better future for his country and countrymen? Don't you see how belittling him is what has put the country in this current position? Has nothing been learnt whatsoever from 2016?

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The point was what benefit will he get from the UK crashing out on WTO terms, with all the chaos that results from that? I've been hearing this EU collapse theory for many years ... whilst they might have to re-jig the eurozone at some point it's unlikely to occur ... it's the UK that will suffer more on WTO terms.

 

 

[AlexRich]

3 hours ago, dick dasterdly said:

"the predictions for the pound were spot on"

 

You weren't reading or commenting on threads at the time around the referendum, so clearly don't realise that brexiteers were agreeing that a leave result would result in sterling falling.  It was the ONE, obvious prediction on which everyone agreed!

 

It didn't take a genius to work out that the money markets hated the idea of brexit and sterling would fall in the result of a leave vote.....

 

The odd thing is (at least to me) that sterling rose shortly before the referendum result.  Why?

Sterling rose on the eve of the referendum because the polls were suggesting that Remain would win. When Farage conceded defeat on Sky News just before the result (after talking to friends in the City?) it went up further ... but when the results started to come in GBP plunged much lower. It has been suggested that before the Sky interview Farage had access to private polling paid for by hedge funds that suggested Leave would win ... and that perhaps his comments were designed to push GBP up further, so that those shorting the pound would make even more money when the pound plunged later as the results came in.

[rixalex]

It has been suggested that before the Sky interview Farage had access to private polling paid for by hedge funds that suggested Leave would win ... and that perhaps his comments were designed to push GBP up further, so that those shorting the pound would make even more money when the pound plunged later as the results came in.

Suggested by whom?



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[tebee]

[nauseus]

1 hour ago, AlexRich said:

 

I suspect he does, because otherwise he's travelled a long way to get his little sign on TV?

Well, as they say, a little can go a long way! ???? 

[nauseus]

40 minutes ago, tebee said:

Mind the drone. ????

Oh there she is. ????

 

[nauseus]

5 hours ago, dick dasterdly said:

"the predictions for the pound were spot on"

 

You weren't reading or commenting on threads at the time around the referendum, so clearly don't realise that brexiteers were agreeing that a leave result would result in sterling falling.  It was the ONE, obvious prediction on which everyone agreed!

 

It didn't take a genius to work out that the money markets hated the idea of brexit and sterling would fall in the result of a leave vote.....

 

The odd thing is (at least to me) that sterling rose shortly before the referendum result.  Why?

Dick, Sterling rose shortly before the referendum result because most were backing a win for remain. 

[nauseus]

48 minutes ago, rixalex said:

 

Suggested by whom?



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By the anti Farage contingent.

[nontabury]

1 hour ago, AlexRich said:

Sterling rose on the eve of the referendum because the polls were suggesting that Remain would win. When Farage conceded defeat on Sky News just before the result (after talking to friends in the City?) it went up further ... but when the results started to come in GBP plunged much lower. It has been suggested that before the Sky interview Farage had access to private polling paid for by hedge funds that suggested Leave would win ... and that perhaps his comments were designed to push GBP up further, so that those shorting the pound would make even more money when the pound plunged later as the results came in.

Suggested by whom. Can you please provide a link. Or is this a case of sour grapes.

[nontabury]

1 hour ago, AlexRich said:

Sterling rose on the eve of the referendum because the polls were suggesting that Remain would win. When Farage conceded defeat on Sky News just before the result (after talking to friends in the City?) it went up further ... but when the results started to come in GBP plunged much lower. It has been suggested that before the Sky interview Farage had access to private polling paid for by hedge funds that suggested Leave would win ... and that perhaps his comments were designed to push GBP up further, so that those shorting the pound would make even more money when the pound plunged later as the results came in.

Suggested by whom. Can you please provide a link. Or is this a case of sour grapes.

[evadgib]

 

[Dumbastheycome]

1 hour ago, AlexRich said:

Sterling rose on the eve of the referendum because the polls were suggesting that Remain would win. When Farage conceded defeat on Sky News just before the result (after talking to friends in the City?) it went up further ... but when the results started to come in GBP plunged much lower. It has been suggested that before the Sky interview Farage had access to private polling paid for by hedge funds that suggested Leave would win ... and that perhaps his comments were designed to push GBP up further, so that those shorting the pound would make even more money when the pound plunged later as the results came in.

Is ever so. Not  so difficult to play the  money  market with inside information  at hand.

[tebee]

[Grouse]

1 hour ago, evadgib said:

 

Can Brexiters be sectioned?

 

Risk of harm to themselves and others?

[evadgib]

7 minutes ago, Grouse said:

Can Brexiters be sectioned?

 

Risk of harm to themselves and others?

Funnily enough I suspect Pat had you in mind during his latest highly amusing & extremely accurate rant ????

 

Why not return the compliment by giving your keyboard a rest & launching one of your own?

Edited December 20, 2018 by evadgib

[malagateddy]

Can Brexiters be sectioned?
 
Risk of harm to themselves and others?

Enough of your lip

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[bomber]

8 hours ago, rixalex said:

You've just proven my point. Predictions that were made not 20 years in the future, not 10, not 5, not even 2 or 3, but just in the following months following the vote, were undone by what was predicted to happen by these great experts (we would leave immediately or very very soon), not actually happening.

The prediction of the devaluation of the Pound that you celebrate as being sign of their great wisdom, actually, by your admission that predictions were based on a quick departure, shows there was a large element of luck about it. The Pound has devalued because the markets haven't a clue if they are coming or going. Uncertainty is what has really hit them hardest. Had we left immediately or very quickly, the value of the Pound may well have strengthened based on the country not being totally rudderless.

If in such a short space of time, predictions can be skewed by something they thought was certain to happen but didn't, spread all the variables out over a matter of years, all the different decisions that can be taken, the different policies that can be adopted, the different deals struck, the different people voted into power. Such a multitude of different paths it's possible to take. As I say, if you choose to believe these people who tell you they can predict the future and who also tell you that they are totally independent, knock yourself out.

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sorry but the devaluation of the pound was based 100% on the vote to leave,its as clear as day and to say otherwise makes you look silly,to of left the EU within weeks would of meant an even bigger drop,brexit is what has made the country rudderless and soon to be sunk,you say the markets hadnt a clue sorry but they knew exactly what they were doing and did exactly what they said they would do ie wipe 15% off the pounds value,same same they will do it again with a no deal/bad deal,same same companies will do as they have indicated,the UK is on its knees with debt,benefit scroungers,weak currency and it will be for many years to come,i hope if suffers as it is no more than it deserves,the french,dutch.belgians and germans will prosper as usual.

[3NUMBAS]

the thought of diane abbot in power as the treasurer is scary beyond beliefe

[3NUMBAS]

the thought of diane abbot in power as the treasurer is scary beyond belief

[bomber]

11 minutes ago, 3NUMBAS said:

the thought of diane abbot in power as the treasurer is scary beyond beliefe

and to think before brexit no one had even heard of her,her and JC will destroy what little is left after brexit,i will be out of the UK by then with an EU passport,iam one of the lucky one's ???? enjoy whats of the left brexit fans,

Edited December 20, 2018 by bomber

[bomber]

15 minutes ago, evadgib said:

Funnily enough I suspect Pat had you in mind during his latest highly amusing & extremely accurate rant ????

 

Why not return the compliment by giving your keyboard a rest & launching one of your own?

 

Bank cuts growth forecast amid Brexit worries - BBC News.html

[bomber]

2 hours ago, rixalex said:

 

Suggested by whom?



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if it was ever proved he should be jailed and brexit overturned,imo its 50/50 if its true,it would certainly not come as a shock.

[anon676545345]

7 hours ago, dick dasterdly said:

"the predictions for the pound were spot on"

 

You weren't reading or commenting on threads at the time around the referendum, so clearly don't realise that brexiteers were agreeing that a leave result would result in sterling falling.  It was the ONE, obvious prediction on which everyone agreed!

 

It didn't take a genius to work out that the money markets hated the idea of brexit and sterling would fall in the result of a leave vote.....

 

The odd thing is (at least to me) that sterling rose shortly before the referendum result.  Why?

 

The fall in sterling was exacerbated by Carney unnecessarily reducing interest rates by 0.25% and increasing stimulus the day after the referendum, to apparently avoid the non existent recession that all remainers apparently knew wouldn't happen yet as we hadn't actually left yet, all of them except the Governor of the Bank of England. 

 

The BOE could raise interest rates which would lower inflation and strengthen Stirling, but they won't because it's a private bank and that doesn't fit with it's private interests. 

[anon676545345]

10 minutes ago, bomber said:

and to think before brexit no one had even heard of her,her and JC will destroy what little is left after brexit,i will be out of the UK by then with an EU passport,iam one of the lucky one's ???? enjoy whats of the left brexit fans,

 

That's brilliant now can you take the other 16 million cretinous losers with you 

[Grouse]

51 minutes ago, evadgib said:

Funnily enough I suspect Pat had you in mind during his latest highly amusing & extremely accurate rant ????

 

Why not return the compliment by giving your keyboard a rest & launching one of your own?

In the past, you used to specialise in providing accurate information for the thread. What happened?