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No evidence for Trump claim on 'terrorists' - government sources

By Mark Hosenball and Jonathan Landay

 

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U.S. President Donald Trump arrives with White House Chief of Staff John Kelly for an exclusive interview with Reuters journalists in the Oval Office at the White House in Washington, U.S. December 11, 2018. REUTERS/Jonathan Ernst

 

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President Donald Trump said on Tuesday that U.S. authorities had "caught 10 terrorists," citing it as a reason for why the United States should build a wall on its Mexican border, but four government sources said there was no recent evidence of terrorism suspects being caught along the border.

 

A senior U.S. counterterrorism official, speaking on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the issue, said: "We do not have evidence of known or suspected foreign terrorist organizations trying to infiltrate the southern U.S. border.”

 

Three national security officials agreed with that view, saying they knew of no recent border-related arrests. The three officials also asked not to be identified.

 

In a contentious White House meeting on Tuesday with House Democratic leader Nancy Pelosi and Senate Democratic leader Chuck Schumer, Trump demanded $5 billion in taxpayer funding for his wall, threatening a federal shutdown if he did not get the money.

 

"People are pouring into our country, including terrorists," he said. "We have terrorists. We caught 10 terrorists over the last very short period of time. Ten. These are very serious people. Our border agents, all of our law enforcement has been incredible what they've done.

... We need the wall."

 

The president did not say when or where the "terrorists" were caught. The White House did not immediately respond to a request for comment about his remarks.

 

One national security source said U.S. authorities had in recent years captured one terrorism suspect trying to cross into the United States over a land border.

 

Department of Homeland Security Kirstjen Nielsen said on June 12 at a security forum that her agency identifies and stops terrorists worldwide who would otherwise go undetected.

 

"In fact, on average, my department now blocks 10 known or suspected terrorists a day from travelling to or attempting to enter the United States," she said.

 

Ahead of Nov. 6 congressional elections, Trump and his allies said the United States was under threat from a caravan of migrants moving north mostly from Central America towards the U.S.-Mexico border. He also said, without providing evidence, that "criminals and unknown Middle Easterners" were mixed in with the caravan, a claim immigration advocates disputed.

 

Days before the elections, Trump ordered more than 5,000 troops to the border.

 

Democrats have proposed $1.3 billion in spending on general border security as part of a package that must pass by Dec. 21 to avert a partial shutdown of the federal government.

 

(Reporting by Mark Hosenball and Jonathan Landay; Additional reporting by Roberta Rampton; Editing by Kevin Drawbaugh and Peter Cooney)

 
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Democrats don't want to call anything terrorism, Trump likes to play fast and loose with the facts. If it comes from a politicians mouth, 80% f the time it is 60% not totally true. Go figure. :tongue:

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There is little doubt that Trump is a psychopath. An amazing new book by Kevin Dutton "The wisdom of psychopaths", spells out this man to an incredibly astonishing degree.

 

Dutton’s real argument seems to be that sometimes we could all use a little of what he terms “the seven deadly wins”—ruthlessness, charm, focus, mental toughness, fearlessness, mindfulness, and action. Yes, I daresay we could—but those behavioral features do not represent a “dose of psychopathy,” to use Dutton’s expression. In reality, a touch of psychopathy would mean a malignant streak of brutality, oiliness, predatory single-mindedness, callousness, carelessness, exclusive self-involvement, and clinical impulsivity.

https://newrepublic.com/article/111087/wisdom-of-psychopaths-kevin-dutton

 

And I might take the liberty of adding a total lack of conscience, remorse, or empathy.            

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2 hours ago, theonetrueaussie said:

Well for starters I am not american, nor do I really care left or right. But let's face it trump could cure cancer tomorrow and most of the TV posters here would be abusing him for taking jobs away from medical personnel.

Let's face it whether you like or hate trump has nothing to do with it, you are abusing someone for wanting to secure his countries borders and keep the people safe. The irony is the people here wanting open borders in the USA are the same people who cheer whenever there is a clamp down on visas here. 

The irony is (because you missed it) the people wanting a wall are almost all the descendants of immigrants, many of whom were escaping poverty, war, violence and/or persecution.

 

This might differ from your own family’s story of migration to what is now called Australia.

 

 

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2 hours ago, theonetrueaussie said:

Irony again is I bet most of those experts live in walled/Gated communities, Funny how realtors always sell a Walled community as safer for you but apparently building a wall for your country will do nothing eh just like the Israeli wall did not reduce terrorism....oh wait!

LIke you said earlier, you are not an American.

 

A declaration made superfluous by your ensuing comments.

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Just now, Chomper Higgot said:

The irony is (because you missed it) the people wanting a wall are almost all the descendants of immigrants, many of whom were escaping poverty, war, violence and/or persecution.

 

Thats not called irony, thats called a straw man.

 

So because the world at that time was spreading and conquering (everyone was doing it) (even the people that are now called "Mexicans") that somehow, hundreds of years later we should allow unfettered migration. 

 

Nope, that doesn't follow. Your low key guilt trip to manipulate people into thinking what you want them to is noted though. 

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17 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Getting this ‘Horsechit’ of yours back on topic.

 

Bit rich coming from a dude who just posted like 5 off topic posts in a row. 

 

18 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Trump is being called out as a liar over his statement regarding the arrest of 10 terrorists at the southern border.

 

Try don't read very well do you. This will be the second time youve been blatantly and intentionally wrong & hyperbolic and I've had the pleasure of pointing this out to you. 

 

Show me where he said "the arrest of 10 terrorists at the southern border."

 

In your following apology, you can abbreviate my username to "UTF" for brevity. 

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4 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Trump has been called out as a liar regarding his statements regarding 10 terrorists being caught.

 

Weird.

 

6 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

do you evidence that he is telling the truth.

 

I 'do evidence' this bit from the OP that you clearly missed:

 

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Department of Homeland Security Kirstjen Nielsen said on June 12 at a security forum that her agency identifies and stops terrorists worldwide who would otherwise go undetected.

 

"In fact, on average, my department now blocks 10 known or suspected terrorists a day from travelling to or attempting to enter the United States," she said.

 

You can start your apology something like:

 

Lord & High King UTF, Best Poster in all of the TVF Realm, I sincerely apologize for.... 

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Awww come on guys and gals it’s donalds negotiating style first lie then threaten then have a school boy temper tantrum threaten again if that fails then you can wreck everyone’s Christmas so you feel better!!!

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2 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

As for the Israeli wall, that's a very expensive wall to build and patrol but since it's built to keep out armed enemies they've decided to do it.

 

Sooooooo, walls work. Good to know. 

 

6 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

In fact it's so unpopular that out of all the congressional representatives,  republican or democrat, whose district borders on Mexico, not one supports the building of the wall. Not one.

 

Most of the counties that border Mexico are blue. Weird little fact eh?

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1 hour ago, UncleTouchyFingers said:

 

Weird.

 

 

I 'do evidence' this bit from the OP that you clearly missed:

 

 

You can start your apology something like:

 

Lord & High King UTF, Best Poster in all of the TVF Realm, I sincerely apologize for.... 

In case you had not noticed, there's a difference between someone prevented from travelling to or from entering the USA, because of any suspicion of link to terrorism, and someone actually "caught" for terrorism.

Anyway, why bother? As you rightly mentioned, it is not particularly related to the southern border....

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