On shutdown, Trump vows to wait as long as it takes for wall funding

[farcanell]

6 minutes ago, riclag said:

 Nonsense!He doesn't have to focus on a no prosecution deal in exchange for anything.A sitting President can't be  criminally indited therefore can't be prosecuted 

That’s an untested claim.... there is nothing to say a sitting president can not be charged. Yes, there is an old memo suggesting that he should not be charged, but that’s different.

 

its unbelievable to the rest of the world, that America would allow itself to be ruled by a person who is permitted to commit crimes without fear of prosecution.... this is a hallmark of a dictator, not the leader of the free world... not the leader of a democracy. 

 

Oh... wait... America is not deemed to be a democracy. I suppose that explains why those of us that are from democracies, don’t get it.

[anon467367354]

7 minutes ago, farcanell said:

Didn’t chucky’s mob offer 25 billion, not that long ago.?

And... didn't Donald refuse this.?

 

I don't remember the democrats offering Trump anything other than 1.6 billion in exchange for DACA. Trump has the money for the wall, it's in the defense budget and put there for a reason. He's letting the democrats destroy themselves and they're doing a great job. Trust the plan, thank Q!

[farcanell]

2 minutes ago, riclag said:

Things changed PT is looking for a 5 billion deal now !  Very reasonable

Lol... reasonable?

reasonable would have been to sign off on an extension to avoid a shutdown

reasnable would be to discuss policy with experts

reasonable would be to not lie every time he draws breath

reasonable is a word that has little to do with trump

[riclag]

2 minutes ago, farcanell said:

That’s an untested claim.... there is nothing to say a sitting president can not be charged. Yes, there is an old memo suggesting that he should not be charged, but that’s different.

 

its unbelievable to the rest of the world, that America would allow itself to be ruled by a person who is permitted to commit crimes without fear of prosecution.... this is a hallmark of a dictator, not the leader of the free world... not the leader of a democracy. 

 

Oh... wait... America is not deemed to be a democracy. I suppose that explains why those of us that are from democracies, don’t get it.

If you say so

[Chomper Higgot]

8 minutes ago, gr8fldanielle said:

I don't remember the democrats offering Trump anything other than 1.6 billion in exchange for DACA. Trump has the money for the wall, it's in the defense budget and put there for a reason. He's letting the democrats destroy themselves and they're doing a great job. Trust the plan, thank Q!

So it’s not the Mexicans who will pay, in the latest iteration it’s the US Defence Budget.

 

Trust the plan!

Edited December 27, 2018 by Chomper Higgot

[riclag]

Just now, farcanell said:

Lol... reasonable?

reasonable would have been to sign off on an extension to avoid a shutdown

reasnable would be to discuss policy with experts

reasonable would be to not lie every time he draws breath

reasonable is a word that has little to do with trump

  5 billion is a drop in the bucket when it comes to Security !Safety first, when it comes to the wall  showdown shutdown! Discuss policy ,extremely confident he has,judging by the numerous  oval office round table discussions! His character isn't well received by his opponents !  

[anon467367354]

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

So it’s not the Mexicans who will pay, in the latest iteration it’s the US Defence Budget.

 

Trust the plan!

The Mexicans will pay for it through trade and the new banking system. Personally I couldn't care less who pays for it, just build the wall.

The cost on the American people, monetarily and other things is huge.

These illegals cost us 200 billion dollars or more per year. Maybe the UN should build it. They built a wall between Turkey and Syria, they know walls work.

 

[farcanell]

14 minutes ago, gr8fldanielle said:

I don't remember the democrats offering Trump anything other than 1.6 billion in exchange for DACA. Trump has the money for the wall, it's in the defense budget and put there for a reason. He's letting the democrats destroy themselves and they're doing a great job. Trust the plan, thank Q!

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/jan/23/chuck-schumer-offered-25-billion-border-wall-now-w/

 

changed his mind due to daca no art of the deal

[farcanell]

5 minutes ago, riclag said:

  5 billion is a drop in the bucket when it comes to Security !Safety first, when it comes to the wall  showdown shutdown! Discuss policy ,extremely confident he has,judging by the numerous  oval office round table discussions! His character isn't well received by his opponents !  

your ramblings are starting to sound more trumpian by the day

[farcanell]

6 minutes ago, gr8fldanielle said:

The Mexicans will pay for it through trade and the new banking system. Personally I couldn't care less who pays for it, just build the wall.

The cost on the American people, monetarily and other things is huge.

These illegals cost us 200 billion dollars or more per year. Maybe the UN should build it. They built a wall between Turkey and Syria, they know walls work.

 

There’s a gofundme thingy happening.... try that

[anon467367354]

1 minute ago, farcanell said:

There’s a gofundme thingy happening.... try that

nothing to try, it's all under control. Where have you been?

Quit trolling me and find something else to do.

[metisdead]

Troll posts and replies have been removed. 

[sharktooth]

26 minutes ago, riclag said:

  5 billion is a drop in the bucket when it comes to Security !Safety first, when it comes to the wall  showdown shutdown! Discuss policy ,extremely confident he has,judging by the numerous  oval office round table discussions! His character isn't well received by his opponents !  

If you think you can build it for $5 billion you are well mistaken

 

Mr Trump’s initial price tag of between $8bn and $12bn (£6.4bn and £9.7bn) has been widely disputed.

The 650 miles of fencing built under President George W Bush cost an estimated $7bn, and it could not be described as fulfilling Mr Trump's promises of a "tall, powerful, beautiful" barrier.

A number of very different estimates have been put forward by other official bodies.

Mitch McConnell, the Republican majority leader in the Senate, stated the cost would be between $12bn and $15bn, while a report by the US Department for Homeland Security estimated the wall would cost between $21.6bn and $25bn. 

Meanwhile, a report by Senate Democrats, said the wall could cost nearly $70bn to build and $150m a year to maintain.

Other, unofficial, estimates have varied.

Wall Street research and brokerage firm Bernstein Research said the price tag could be between $15bn and $25bn, while construction consultants Gleeds believe it would be in the region of $31bn.

Meanwhile, Konstantin Kakaes, an international security fellow with the New America Foundation writing in the MIT Technology Review, said the total could reach $40bn.

 

Edited December 27, 2018 by sharktooth

[farcanell]

9 minutes ago, gr8fldanielle said:

nothing to try, it's all under control. Where have you been?

Quit trolling me and find something else to do.

Lol.... under control?

shutdown doesn’t really equate to “under control”... more the opposite, I would think.

 

trolling?... your funny

 

if you desist in posting inanities, I shall have no reason to challenge said inanities

 

trump may get away with telling people to sit down if they ask Curly questions (censorship) but he’s the prez... ????????????

Edited December 27, 2018 by farcanell

[Dumbastheycome]

Yep. He pays  for  what?

 

[metisdead]

Off topic posts, inflammatory posts and the replies have been removed.  This topic is not about dual citizenship. 

[direction BANGKOK]

What is going to happen is the dems will give him some paltry amount, enough to erect a four foot tall fence held together with desert drift wood. Trump will then Tweet out "the wall is built", claim victory, and be on his merry way, just as he does every day. 

[bristolboy]

2 hours ago, gr8fldanielle said:

The Mexicans will pay for it through trade and the new banking system. Personally I couldn't care less who pays for it, just build the wall.

The cost on the American people, monetarily and other things is huge.

These illegals cost us 200 billion dollars or more per year. Maybe the UN should build it. They built a wall between Turkey and Syria, they know walls work.

 

What new trade and banking system is going to make Mexico pay for the wall?                       t

Where did you get that ridiculous 200 billion dollars estimate for the cost of illegal immigration from? In fact, serious studies show the US coming out well ahead on balance.

And where did you get the bizarre idea that the UN built a wall between Turkey and Syria?

Turkey is currently building a combination border wall and fence on its border with Syria. So that makes it a good idea? Erdogan is your idea of a sound thinker and planner?

[Jingthing]

3 hours ago, gr8fldanielle said:

I don't remember the democrats offering Trump anything other than 1.6 billion in exchange for DACA. Trump has the money for the wall, it's in the defense budget and put there for a reason. He's letting the democrats destroy themselves and they're doing a great job. Trust the plan, thank Q!

You recall very poorly.

Not 1.6 billion.

TWENTY billion.

 

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/01/democrats-schumer-trump-border-wall-daca/551288/

 

Individual-1 is not a King. He can't just take money from the military to build he ego wall. 

Edited December 27, 2018 by Jingthing

[Dumbastheycome]

Humpty Dumpty wants  to sit  on a Wall....Humpty Dumpty is in line for a fall.

[joecoolfrog]

9 hours ago, Boon Mee said:

These folks who are laid-off will get back pay.

Hang in there Donald! You back down now, you're a one-term President for sure.

Yep for sure he is a one term president.

[joecoolfrog]

8 hours ago, howbri said:

The only "idiots" are those that still think he's going to be impeached. You obviously don't understand impeachment requirements. To begin with, YOU HAVE TO BE GUILTY  of an impeachable offense. 

British Bookmakers , not biased and certainly not stupid, make a Trump imeachment an even money shot.

[Redline]

A few more days and he’s going to be shutdown ????

[Credo]

15 hours ago, Boon Mee said:

These folks who are laid-off will get back pay.

Hang in there Donald! You back down now, you're a one-term President for sure.

That is not necessarily true and is an over-simplification.   Many of those working for the gov't are contract workers.   They will not get paid.   Most will be told not to show up for work.   

 

There is also the knock-on effect.   With most of National Parks, Monuments (including some in Washington, DC. ).   This has a huge effect on tourism and hotels, restaurants and other private services at and around these parks are furloughed and they will not get paid.   

 

For a few of the parks in Utah and Arizona, and I am sure others, the impact is significant enough that the State starts taking over services essential to keeping them open and function, including keeping restrooms open, roads cleared and trash collected.   In some parks, however, they aren't able to keep medical or rescue services running.

 

  

[bristolboy]

8 hours ago, gr8fldanielle said:

http://www.iamawake.co/the-eu-funded-wall-that-nobody-wants-to-talk-about-turkey-syria/

I never gave an opinion of Erdogan, you're trolling now. Don't make sh!t up.

 

Illegal aliens cost the US a lot, more than that, we are not going to let what happened to Europe happen to us. Talk about a "F" up!

 

Can you do math??? https://www.heritage.org/immigration/report/the-fiscal-cost-unlawful-immigrants-and-amnesty-the-us-taxpayer

There are approximately 3.7 million unlawful immigrant households in the U.S. These households impose a net fiscal burden of around $54.5 billion per year.

 

Go troll somewhere else or better yet, turn off the TV and look up QFS.

'ave a nice day mate. Here's a trolling tip, supply facts, sources etc. Don't just say sh!t.

 

Not even the article you cited claims the EU funded the wall (and not the UN as you claimed). And Turkey is run by a strongman named Erdogan. You think a wall like that happens without his approval? So the wall is his doing.

 

Where's your evidence about illegal aliens costing more than 200 billion? You cited the the Heritage Foundation and it pegs the cost at 54 billion.  That's roughly 25 percent of what you claimed? So even by their biased standards, your claim is nonsense. And that study only counts costs, not income governments receive in taxes and social security payments.

 

And you confuse being contradicted with being trolled. In fact, accusing someone of trolling where that's not the case is trolling. 

[quandow]

21 hours ago, Credo said:

If Trump would listen to the experts

He only listens to Rush Limbaugh and Faux Noise.

[keemapoot]

46 minutes ago, quandow said:

He only listens to Rush Limbaugh and Faux Noise.

Yeah, but don't forget. Trump is the smartest person he knows. And, surprisingly, he got that way by never reading books, reports or anything. Amazing man.

[DM07]

16 hours ago, riclag said:

PT must protect America He took a oath to protect it like any other President  in over 250 year's ! American's  for change want  to keep out illegal entry,terrorist, gang member's and drug's at the  southern border! Stay the course Mr. President we have your back! 

 

The only thing you have, is no idea what you are talking about!

Sad!

[keemapoot]

Another thoughtless, idiotic statement by the retard in chief was angrily refuted by the Federal Workers Union Chief. The dunce tweeted that more Democrats than Republicans were not getting paid during the shutdown. 

 

Quote

“It’s ridiculous,” Erwin said in an interview on CNN. “It’d be funny if it wasn’t really funny at all. We know the political makeup of federal employees. They are split evenly down political lines ... equal Republicans and Democrats and a significant number of independents as well.”

https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/federal-union-chief-slams-trump-000525278.html

[mikebike]

42 minutes ago, keemapoot said:

Another thoughtless, idiotic statement by the retard in chief was angrily refuted by the Federal Workers Union Chief. The dunce tweeted that more Democrats than Republicans were not getting paid during the shutdown. 

 

https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/federal-union-chief-slams-trump-000525278.html

In the same rant he claimed all the Federal workers affected backed him and were willing to suffer until he got his wall $$ AND that all Federal workers were Dems.

 

You're winning Donald. Very stable genius.