Thai Families left behind when Partner leaves in 2019

[Ban Phe Dezza]

Hi I am still no wiser about what is going to happen with Thai Immigration rules this year

However with the decline in various currencies compared to Baht it seems to me that many will leave.

Myself included So what happens to those who Rely on us for support.

My Carer will be affected when I leave of course i will leave her a small Buffer to help

however the considerable costs in our home countries will leave little if anything to spare

 

I have no idea how many lives will be affected

indeed with the decline in my $AU to Baht ratio I will no longer have the required funds 

at one stage i had the required amount plus a buffer NOW no more

I have got of track this post is not about but about families, Businesses ect

who rely on the amounts many of us spend here in Thailand

 

[ubonjoe]

If applying for an extension based upon retirement there is an option to put money in the bank to combine with your income to reach a total of 800k baht.

If married to a Thai the income requirement is 40k baht, If on a retirement extension changing to one based upon marriage is an option.

[BritManToo]

22 minutes ago, Ban Phe Dezza said:

My Carer will be affected when I leave of course i will leave her a small Buffer to help

however the considerable costs in our home countries will leave little if anything to spare

You have no responsibility to employee's affected by the Junta.

Tell them to take it up with the general.

 

I already told my gf there would be no future support for her if it became too difficult to stay.

Be it exchange rate, compulsory health insurance or VISA problems.

[madmen]

Not really sure what the question is. If you leave then anybody relying on you needs to find someone to replace you. 

 

Surely you can scrape together 20k for an agent? 

[Ban Phe Dezza]

5 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

If applying for an extension based upon retirement there is an option to put money in the bank to combine with your income to reach a total of 800k baht.

If married to a Thai the income requirement is 40k baht, If on a retirement extension changing to one based upon marriage is an option.

True Joe

Though

I have no saving after nearly 20 years here

I basically rely on the pension

Good enough to live on here but not good enough for Immigration

Re marriage  if Aussies get married the Pension is reduced by Centrelink

thus that is not an option 

so Bye Thailand not real happy about though. 

 

[moonseeker]

I have a lot of friends, who are leaving after this season. Not many because of the min. requirements for visa, most of them have the 800K set aside since the beginnings of their stays. Just because it got too expensive for them overall, is no more fun and so many negatives these days, TH really has changed it's face big times the last few years.

Anyhow I expect even more FOR SALE signs and businesses and buildings closed up and falling apart.

Amazing when you walk around the Sois, how this town starts to look. Not good times for some, but eventually another kind of tourism will cause big

changes and even more construction and new buildings. It has started in some corners of the town already. TH is not depending on Europeans, Aussies etc.

But certainly it is no longer a place where WE wanna go....Seems, the Chinese and Indians are invading the world, just heard from the owner of a European

mountain resort / incl. transportation , they doubled their trips last 3 years with 90% Asians, mostly Chinese, as they can be herded  like sheep. They even accept time-limits in the XXL restaurant , so they turnover can be improved. Some individual cases / families  might get hurt financially, overall cash-flow will

improve. A friend runs a big hotel on the beach. He sets new records for buffet dinners etc. almost monthly.......Chinese & Indians and some Middle-Eastern are the main crowds... TH won't die.....just adjust and change....MS>

[DrJack54]

2 minutes ago, madmen said:

Not really sure what the question is. If you leave then anybody relying on you needs to find someone to replace you. 

 

Surely you can scrape together 20k for an agent? 

Agree. Many posters stating in related threads.. "this is end of line" etc. To the OP, I'm also au. The parity with USD (in fact positive against USD) about 5or 6 yrs ago was a glitch. Partly due to commodities which au was driven by. The au government would prefer something in the 65-70 au-usd. Point is you don't have funds to put in bank then USE AN AGENT. 20-25baht is not sheep stations. If that's more than you have Google jetstar.

[Lacessit]

IMHO many will be affected by the difficulties surrounding the income route vs. the 800K deposit system.

The Thai pension for any Thai over 60 is 500 baht/month. If a Thai makes it to 80, 800 baht/month. Contrast that with most Western pensioners who are getting 40K to 60K baht/month.

The Bangkok elite hate and fear farangs who are getting these pensions, because the populace might start asking why they are not getting the same deal.

[Ban Phe Dezza]

7 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

You have no responsibility to employee's affected by the Junta.

Tell them to take it up with the general.

 

I already told my gf there would be no future support for her if it became too difficult to stay.

Be it exchange rate or VISA problems.

Hi BritMan

I agree with you

I can not in all conscience do that 

after over 3 years she is more than an employee

i have cancelled my prepaid Cremation payment

it is only Valid in Thailand and the funds will go to her 

thanks for your concern

[Ban Phe Dezza]

2 minutes ago, DrJack54 said:

Agree. Many posters stating in related threads.. "this is end of line" etc. To the OP, I'm also au. The parity with USD (in fact positive against USD) about 5or 6 yrs ago was a glitch. Partly due to commodities which au was driven by. The au government would prefer something in the 65-70 au-usd. Point is you don't have funds to put in bank then USE AN AGENT. 20-25baht is not sheep stations. If that's more than you have Google jetstar.

Try Singapore airlines i have 

Yes I could go the agent route but basically my bucket is full

I have friends who feel the same way

[overherebc]

In all honesty for me it's not really exchange rate/financies that are the deciding factor/factors.

It's the total uncertainty on changes that seem to come constantly.

Comfort in knowing that the rules are constant doesn't exist anymore.

[ubonjoe]

A inflammatory off topic post and the expected replies to it have been removed. A repeat of it will result in a formal warning,

[fforest1]

7 minutes ago, overherebc said:

In all honesty for me it's not really exchange rate/financies that are the deciding factor/factors.

It's the total uncertainty on changes that seem to come constantly.

Comfort in knowing that the rules are constant doesn't exist anymore.

Currency and visa uncertainty is pretty bad but the wild card is the Thais seem to me to be working over time to think of new senseless hoops for farang to jump through to stay here.....

[baansgr]

How many "families" have already broken up, many have as their thai women just dont grasp economics....XE is down, so what, they still want their monthly stipend come what may. Apart from the long termers in Issan that are on a lifetime sentance, the rest of the expats/sexpats whatever have diminished drastically in numbers due to costs, xe, thai attitude and other factors. Thaivisa members and long timers are in a bubble and dont really see what is happening outside the box. Vietnam, PI are booming. I visit PI regular and its so refreshing and cheap compared to hear....

[kane666]

41 minutes ago, Ban Phe Dezza said:

Yes I could go the agent route but basically my bucket is full

I have friends who feel the same way

What does "basically my bucket is full" mean?

[White Christmas13]

I left LOS a few years ago with no money in my pocket nothing left after I got ripped off so many times 

I have no house anymore no super live in a rented place and have a very good life free medicare dirt cheap

medication rent assistance and assistance for electricity trains buses I am happy I made the move back

to the civilized world, yes start bashing the so called nanny states I don't care but I have a good life now  

 

[madmen]

In all honesty for me it's not really exchange rate/financies that are the deciding factor/factors.

It's the total uncertainty on changes that seem to come constantly.

Comfort in knowing that the rules are constant doesn't exist anymore.

Change is constant especially within immigration in all of SEA

However there is always a work around. . The OP states he has a carer and also states he can't afford 20 K for an agent

 

. Well he is obviously not the best health wise and if he can't afford 20k then he most certainly can't afford health insurance so the best thing he can do is go back home.

 

It's good he is flushed out. Thailand don't want sick old dudes who can't afford to pay the hospital that saves their lives

 

What annoys me is people hiding the truth and blaming thailand.

 

[totally thaied up]

18 minutes ago, overherebc said:

In all honesty for me it's not really exchange rate/financies that are the deciding factor/factors.

It's the total uncertainty on changes that seem to come constantly.

Comfort in knowing that the rules are constant doesn't exist anymore.

This - the fact no comfort does remain in that the fence posts are moving constantly now. If they move in the Health Package to this lot, a major shift most likely will happen but the Chinese and other Asian Nationals are the bread and butter now, so for those in the know, it does not affect them. The profits will keep rolling in monthly.

 

I am factoring a baht to the AUD rate at 17-19 at this present time and I can just afford to stay here. I will just be eating at home more often and going out only one or so a month compared to two or three times a week. The currency shift/strong baht has caught a lot by surprise. I bought over a pile of baht at 27.50 to just leave in a bank for my Visa and I will never touch that. I could live on 20K a month with the wife working but I am certainly looking at ways now my wife can extend her current business interests as that for the foreseeable future is the only way for me to keep on top of things. Extending the restaurant into a modern coffee shop and more online selling will be our way forward I think.

 

So depending on what they bring out next will be the big thing. I am sure it will be something. This year I think is going to be make or break for a few people.

[bwpage3]

The unfortunate side effect of moving to any third world country is the propensity for change.

 

The world is a changing and evolving place and you simply cannot hang your hat somewhere and think it will be the same 20 years later.

 

Currency exchange rates are the hot issue.

 

Mandatory Insurance.

 

Income letters.

 

What's next should be the question?

 

The folks that can meet the income requirement are set for today, but how about if the rules once again change with a change in government?

 

It is anyone's guess and it is less than stable.

 

One should always have a backup plan no matter how many years you have lived in Thailand.

 

Thailand seems to find more benefit in Chinese/Indian than Caucasian's for a number of reasons.

 

One I believe is that Chinese will NOT educate Thai's to any wrong doing and will gladly go along with corruption and other nefarious behaviors.

 

 

[Ban Phe Dezza]

8 minutes ago, kane666 said:

What does "basically my bucket is full" mean?

Probably a bad quote on my part 

 i guess I meant it was over flowing with <deleted> 

Perhaps comes from when we had thunder Boxes down the back yard

 

[overherebc]

2 minutes ago, madmen said:

Change is constant especially within immigration in all of SEA
However there is always a work around. My guess is those that have "had enough" are not leaving because they can't scrape together 20k over 12 months for an agent

It's more to do with asia burn out and failing health. The OP states he has a carer and also states he can't afford 20 K for an agent

. Well he is obviously not the best health wise and if he can't afford 20k then he most certainly can't afford health insurance so the best thing he can do is go back home.

It's good he is flushed out. Thailand don't want sick old dudes who can't afford to pay the hospital that saves their lives

What annoys me is people hiding the truth and blaming thailand.

From your statement 'sick old dudes' I'll hazard a guess you are a young super confident American or you think dude is cool.

Lets hope you are fully covered for any accident that hopefully will 'not' happen to you and you end up having to plead on go fund me to pay your bills to get you home beside your family and all the other 'dudes.'

 

[kane666]

1 minute ago, Ban Phe Dezza said:

Probably a bad quote on my part 

 i guess I meant it was over flowing with <deleted> 

Perhaps comes from when we had thunder Boxes down the back yard

 

Apologies is I am being dense but that still doesn't explain why you cant come up with 20k for an agent.

[BritManToo]

10 minutes ago, madmen said:

Thailand don't want sick old dudes who can't afford to pay the hospital that saves their lives

The last thing I'd want is someone saving my life.

Damned right I wouldn't pay them.

[madmen]

From your statement 'sick old dudes' I'll hazard a guess you are a young super confident American or you think dude is cool.
Lets hope you are fully covered for any accident that hopefully will 'not' happen to you and you end up having to plead on go fund me to pay your bills to get you home beside your family and all the other 'dudes.'
 

OP nailed himself. Why would anybody feel sorry for him? He is busted Arse out of cash and ill and struggling. Go home is the best advice he can get
You should be thanking me instead supportimg sick people with no insurance

[Ban Phe Dezza]

2 minutes ago, kane666 said:

Apologies is I am being dense but that still doesn't explain why you cant come up with 20k for an agent.

I never said I couldn't and YES if I wanted to stay I could use that method

May I STRESS the point that this tread was about Thai Families

I note a few posters have decided to derail this issue much to their Detriment 

[FritsSikkink]

1 hour ago, BritManToo said:

You have no responsibility to employee's affected by the Junta.

Tell them to take it up with the general.

 

I already told my gf there would be no future support for her if it became too difficult to stay.

Be it exchange rate, compulsory health insurance or VISA problems.

What has the Junta to do with the fact that your embassy doesn't provide you with documentation?

[Lovethailandelite]

18 minutes ago, baansgr said:

How many "families" have already broken up, many have as their thai women just dont grasp economics....XE is down, so what, they still want their monthly stipend come what may. Apart from the long termers in Issan that are on a lifetime sentance, the rest of the expats/sexpats whatever have diminished drastically in numbers due to costs, xe, thai attitude and other factors. Thaivisa members and long timers are in a bubble and dont really see what is happening outside the box. Vietnam, PI are booming. I visit PI regular and its so refreshing and cheap compared to hear....

Yes and once immigration increases to a certain level, GDP increases and with it, the dregs of society arrive, like the UK, US, Australia before etc and now Thailand, will tighten the requirements for those wanting to emigrate and stay legally.
Trust me, those that make the rules here are looking at the Malaysian model with there bond system plus the income requirement in order to obtain a long term stay. IMO, within 10 years maybe an even shorter time scale, that will be implemented here and within that 10 years, Vietnam, Cambodia, PI etc will be as difficult or maybe more so than Thailand is today is in order too secure a long term stay.

[FritsSikkink]

1 hour ago, Lacessit said:

 

The Bangkok elite hate and fear farangs who are getting these pensions

They don't give a toss about poor foreigners.

[Ban Phe Dezza]

2 minutes ago, madmen said:

OP nailed himself. Why would anybody feel sorry for him? He is busted Arse out of cash and ill and struggling. Go home is the best advice he can get
You should be thanking me instead supportimg sick people with no insurance

 I wish I could Swear on this site and other comments but I would be banned

FTR this Busted arse is leaving this month flying Business class  

the mentality of some leave a lot to be desired

I would Love to say More  however Golf Foxtrot to some is appropriate 

Bet that stirs up the Keyboard warriors  

[ocddave]

17 minutes ago, bwpage3 said:

Thailand seems to find more benefit in Chinese/Indian than Caucasian's for a number of reasons.

 

One I believe is that Chinese will NOT educate Thai's to any wrong doing and will gladly go along with corruption and other nefarious behaviors.

 

 

The benefit is more of them, less money per person, but if you flood them in they amount to more money. If that ever stops though, say goodbye Thailand, because those tourist dollars will be gone, along with the larger incomes of the Western Farangs. Any economic turmoil in todays world will probably sink Thailand economically, they better be careful hanging their hopes on the Chinese/Indians. But I agree, they don't like Western influence, they want sheep with money, not thinkers/movers/intelligent investors/doers/etc.