Jan Van Caeyzeele Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 I hope that everything will work out for this young lady. After all, freedom is the highest right! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeN Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 40 minutes ago, Proboscis said: A diplomat has the right to go airside to meet with any transiting passenger he/she wants. A right to ? Perhaps with the permission of authorities, and with an escort, they might be allowed to meet a VIP but they cannot just wander around at random to accost anybody at will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enki Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 5 hours ago, ezzra said: Expect a flood of similar situations to come about now that this woman has showed that immigration rules can be flaunted and circumvented by simply saying that your life is in dander true or not... She was not immigrating. She was switching plane to Australia ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atyclb Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 34 minutes ago, mrmicbkktxl said: 44 minutes ago, Proboscis said: A diplomat has the right to go airside to meet with any transiting passenger he/she wants. says who? may be true if same rules for switzerland apply for other countries. research stuff rather than simply arguing, that is if you have enough intellectual curiosity https://www.eda.admin.ch/eda/en/home/fdfa/organisation-fdfa/state-secretariat/protocol/manual-for-embassies-and-consulates/security/airport-access.html "Airport access and facilities granted to staff members of diplomatic and consular representations in Switzerland The Federal authorities thank the diplomatic Missions for their strict compliance with the provisions set forth below:a) General conditions for access to transit halls The following persons may enter the transit halls upon presentation of a valid legitimation card issued by the Federal Department of Foreign Affairs: Heads of Mission (legitimation card B) Diplomatic staff members of embassies (legitimation card C) Diplomatic staff members of permanent missions (legitimation card C) Career heads of consular posts (legitimation card K with pink/black band) Career consular officers (legitimation card K with pink/black band) All other staff members of diplomatic and consular representations may only access the transit halls if they are in possession of a special access card. Diplomatic Missions may request these cards from the management of the particular airport concerned except in the case of Zurich-Kloten airport which ceased to issue such cards as of 1 February 2005. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tongue Thaid Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 Good to see Big Joke showing a bit of compassion,Probably only through media pressure.We know what those towel heads are capable of with the recent murder of the news reporter in the Turkey.Women are nothing in those barbaric Arab countries.Hope the poor girl gets to Aussie and is given refugee status although I fear she will always have to look over her shoulder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IAMHERE Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 I just do not understand; Thailand has only to put her on a plane to Thailand, buck passed. Seems simple to me unless quid pro quo from Saudi Arabia has already been accepted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad mick Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 lets not forget what happened in Turkey She's lucky for now if thais do endup handing her over Saudi embassy Bkk, who knows what may happens next , i guess suicide would be easy for saudi and thais to explain she committed suicide rather than go back " if she makes it back alive to saudi arabia " Very public execution to deter any others who may want to flee, why the world kowtows to these type of people all for business $$$$$ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackheart1916 Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 2 hours ago, Tradewind777 said: The Saudi “authorities” have no right to seize her passport. She is not a “minor”. The third country to which she is attempting to travel to (Australia) has given her a visa as far as can be determined. However how to get the passport back. She may need to travel on a UN passport to Australia. Let’s hope this gets sorted pronto for this fearful young woman, but I doubt this will move fast. Thailand may use it as a case for improving relations. She applied and gained a tourist visa for Australia, and even before arriving has stated her claim not to leave, that voids the intention of the visa. She is entitled to seek refuge in the first safe country where she is out of danger, which is Thailand. But the welfare is better in Australia, isn't it? And here am I jumping through all sorts of hoops and spending thousands just to get my fiance and daughter to Australia legally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happy chappie Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 3 hours ago, DavisH said: Does this mean she does not have a visa for Australia? The Saudi authorities took her passport at the airport, so I see her in a difficult situation. I assume Thailand has no right to demand the passport back. She should apply for refugee status here, if she wants to avoid returning the Saudi Arabia. To get refugee status in Thailand you need to show 800,000 baht in a bank or a steady flow of 65,000b a month income. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grusa Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 2 hours ago, Pember said: Honestly not sure where I stand on this one... I commend her for getting away and denouncing Islam and their barbaric laws but you open the gates to one... just saying... If she is truly apostate, she deserves all the support she can get. Same goes for anyone who truly renounces their barbaric superstition and its practices. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vacuum Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 Let her go to Australia and have the authorities in aus deal with the problems. Why complicate things? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChangMaiSausage Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 Love reading some of the <deleted> written on here from people who clearly don't have a clue and are simply guessing or reinventing the laws of the land. I personally don't have a clue what her options are, but I hope the outcome is positive (from my limited knowledge she does not want to return to Saudi as the outcome could/will be imprisonment which might be worse than death) Good luck to her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atyclb Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 17 minutes ago, Blackheart1916 said: She applied and gained a tourist visa for Australia, and even before arriving has stated her claim not to leave, that voids the intention of the visa. She is entitled to seek refuge in the first safe country where she is out of danger, which is Thailand. But the welfare is better in Australia, isn't it? And here am I jumping through all sorts of hoops and spending thousands just to get my fiance and daughter to Australia legally. do you perceive any differences between her situation and that of your fiance and daughter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mlmcleod Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 The Saudis are well known for beheading apostates who reject Islam. This young woman is not a minor and has the right to determine her own future. For those greedy individuals who worry about queue jumping I suggest some compassion. The whole queue problem is enforced by the Australian government. Sadly, this young woman will either be forced to return to Saudi Arabia or murdered by a relative at some point in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arend Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 Smart, tough girl who knows how to survive and exercise her rights such as they are in Saudi Arabia.. Wants to seek an education... will be an asset where ever she's granted asylum... She will be a symbol for those who seek freedom from oppression. No doubt they will kill her back in Saudi Arabia where they are absolutely opposed to this. Once again, authoritarian vs progressive values are on the stage in dramatic fashion... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metisdead Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 A troll post has been removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happy chappie Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 21 minutes ago, Vacuum said: Let her go to Australia and have the authorities in aus deal with the problems. Why complicate things? Totally agree with you but thainess is to complicate things.immigration and gov officials have poked their noses in to something they are all clueless about.ol big jokes turned up as head of immigration and has been told what to do by the UN rep as its way out of his depth.theyve allowed a Saudi gang of diplomats into the transit area to rob this woman which is the biggest balls up for a starter.it just goes to show that big joke and his merry men are not fit for the job of running immigration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotchilli Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 6 hours ago, webfact said: The principle prevents states from expelling or returning persons to a territory where their life or freedom would be threatened. It is enshrined in treaty obligations to which Thailand is a signatory. Maybe Prawit should be updated on Thailands obligations before making further statements!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmicbkktxl Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 you can keep your superior attitude for yourself,thanks in advance.Could you point me in the right direction,I can't find the column where it says embassy staff is allowed to use force to revoke travel documents Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wreckingcountry Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 All passports are property of the State that issued them.But persons,whoever they maybe, “cannot enter an area not part of a state unless granted permission by the country “ the Saudi used deception to take the passport in a transit area ! Thugs ! We’re talking about people who chop up their victims !Sent from my iPhone using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BestB Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 12 minutes ago, Father Fintan Stack said: Why would anyone want to live in Australia though? It's full of Australians. Koalas look cute on postcards???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baerboxer Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 4 hours ago, Aussie999 said: Wrong, for a start she has a visa to enter Australia, she can then put her case to the Australian officials, no different to sports team members, other countries diplomats etc, who also apply for asylum. Another thing, she did not go through Thai immigration, so technically did NOT enter Thailand, without a visa, Thai immigration are full of crap. How do you know she has a valid visa for Australia? The article says she doesn't have one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmicbkktxl Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 11 minutes ago, Father Fintan Stack said: All passports are property of the State that issued them. yes,I know that,still I don't think any embassy staff is allowed to enter the transit area of an airport and threaten incoming passengers or revoke their travel documents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kkerry Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 She reportedly has a tourist visa but has stated she will apply for asylum on arrival... Australian immigration staff at Suvarnabhumi vet selected passengers heading to Australia at the gates, reviewing their documents before they can board, so I wouldn't be so sure she will be even allowed on the plane now her intentions are known. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter101 Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 6 hours ago, ezzra said: Expect a flood of similar situations to come about now that this woman has showed that immigration rules can be flaunted and circumvented by simply saying that your life is in dander true or not... 7 hours ago, webfact said: 'They will kill me': Saudi woman to seek asylum after fleeing family to Thailand By Patpicha Tanakasempipat A hotel inside transit area at Suvarnabhumi Airport where Rahaf Mohammed al-Qunun, an 18-year-old Saudi woman who claims to be fleeing her family has barricaded herself inside a room in Bangkok, Thailand January 7, 2019. REUTERS/Athit Perawongmetha BANGKOK (Reuters) - An 18-year-old Saudi woman who fled her family and barricaded herself inside a Bangkok airport hotel to prevent being expelled by Thai authorities has left the airport after talks with the United Nations refugee agency, an official said on Monday. Rahaf Mohammed al-Qunun has been at Bangkok's international airport since Saturday when she arrived from Kuwait, saying she fears her family will kill her if she is forced to return home. Her relatives have not commented on her accusations of abuse and Reuters was not able to reach them. The case has drawn new global attention to Saudi Arabia's strict social rules, including a requirement that women have the permission of a male "guardian" to travel, which rights groups say can trap women and girls as prisoners of abusive families. It comes at a time when Riyadh is facing unusually intense scrutiny from its Western allies over the killing of a journalist at its consulate in Istanbul in October and over the humanitarian consequences of its war in Yemen. Thai immigration officials had planned to put Qunun on a flight back to Kuwait on Monday, but relented after her online pleas drew international attention. She told Reuters via text and audio messages she had fled Kuwait during a family visit there, and had planned to travel to Australia to seek asylum. She said she was held after leaving her plane in Bangkok and told she would be sent back to Kuwait. "They will kill me," Qunun told Reuters. "My life is in danger. My family threatens to kill me for the most trivial things." A representative of the U.N. High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR) met Qunun at the airport and also discussed the case with Thai immigration officials. After the meeting, Thailand's immigration chief said she would not be expelled. "We will take her into Bangkok and provide her with safe shelter under the care of the UNHCR," immigration chief Surachate Hakparn told reporters on Monday evening. He said the UNHCR would work on processing Qunun's request for refugee status. Giuseppe de Vincentis, the UNHCR representative in Thailand, said the Thai government had given assurances Qunun would not be expelled to any country where she might be in danger while her case was being processed. "PHYISICAL, EMOTIONAL ABUSE" Qunun posted a video on Twitter on Monday of her barricading her hotel door with a table and a mattress. She said her family was powerful in Saudi society but she did not identify them. Asked why she was seeking refuge in Australia, she told Reuters: "Physical, emotional and verbal abuse and being imprisoned inside the house for months. They threaten to kill me and prevent me from continuing my education. "They won't let me drive or travel. I am oppressed. I love life and work and I am very ambitious but my family is preventing me from living." The Saudi foreign ministry said in a tweet that its embassy was in touch with the woman's father and the Thai government, but its diplomats had not met or communicated with her. New York-based Human Rights Watch said Thailand should not send Qunun back to her family because she says she faces danger. Qunun said she had obtained an Australian visa and booked a flight. She said she had planned to spend a few days in Thailand so she would not spark suspicion when she left Kuwait. Thai immigration chief Surachate, however, said that Qunun did not have a visa for Australia. The Australian Embassy said it had no immediate comment. Contradicting earlier accounts from Thai officials, Surachate said Thai authorities had been contacted by the Saudis before deciding to deny Qunun entry to the country. "The Saudi Arabia embassy contacted the immigration police ... and said that the girl had run away from her parents and they fear for her safety," he said. "We acknowledged this and checked her paperwork. She had a passport but no return ticket, no travel plan, and no destination or hotel reservation in Thailand ... so per airport security procedures, immigration denied her entry." (Additional reporting by Panarat Thepgumpanat and Panu Wongcha-um in BANGKOK and Ghaida Ghantous in DUBAI; Editing by Nick Macfie and Peter Graff) -- © Copyright Reuters 2019-01-08 Hear me out! The girl is lesbian, her family wants her married, she doesn’t want to marry a guy!!!! Nothing wrong about gays, I have lots of gay friends myself and everyone minds their own sexual business!!! Still, unfortunately she was born in the wrong place to be a gay person! I am sorry for her, happy that the Thai government are not sending her back! Wish her the best and hope she can find a place to live and she can be whatever she wants to be! It is HER PROBLEM!!! Good luck girl! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackdd Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 23 minutes ago, mrmicbkktxl said: yes,I know that,still I don't think any embassy staff is allowed to enter the transit area of an airport and threaten incoming passengers or revoke their travel documents. Saudi Arabia could have somebody fly in from another country to Bangkok, then this person is in the transit area, without requiring any bribes, special documents or whatever, every person could do this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marko kok prong Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 Methinks for once the Pm has woken up and had a quite word in Prawit and big joke's ears,hence the change of stance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bust Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 What a monumental balls up by the Thais ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mduras01 Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 If you think missing her friends, or funds, or some other cute reason will motivate her to return, you clearly haven’t lived in Saudi. I have, I am half Saudi. Wahhabi Islam borders on fanaticism, senseless fatwas, and very harsh penalties. If she returns, she’s as good as dead—that journalist’s death would seem like a mercy killing by comparison. In a previous post she has renounced both country and religion to the world—the latter carrying the death penalty. If by some miracle she is allowed to live (and only for PR purposes), she will never be allowed to leave KSA, ever. Let alone her home. Her tribe will reject her, as all families are tribal. Suicide will be a very attractive alternative. Depending on how tribal her family is (especially Al Qaseem region), they may simply bury her to the neck in sand and stone her to death. Trust me, friends are the least of her worries. And money, well, there’s work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete1980 Posted January 8, 2019 Share Posted January 8, 2019 4 hours ago, alation said: They cannot send her here as it seems to me that if she did get sent here she would be que jumping which is totally unfair on all those trying to live in Australia legally. Please don't get me wrong I do care about people and the need to help but because Thailand stopped her she is there responsibility and there that's where she must find asylum, trusting your in safe hands young lady. Maybe she wants to be an au pair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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