Wild dogs: Seven year old fighting for life after savage attack on Thai beach

[jvs]

25 minutes ago, marcusarelus said:

No, dog is brighter than you.  Dog can tell the difference between a child playing and one breaking into house.  By the way list your biting source because the information is in error.  Do you really think we are that dumb?  "This has been proven many times."  Who is going to believe that?

 

There are two Bangkaews across the street.  A robber tried a 2nd story job.  The dogs got his shoes and part of his foot as he tried to run away.  They were not trained to do anything.  I've seen them since pups.  Instinctive behavior.  Owner is a ranking military officer who carries a sidearm as part of his job. 

I have spent a big part of my life training dogs for various duties,including PSD and guard dogs.Don't try to tell me bs,many times i have challenged 'dogs that will bite you' and very few ever it and if they did it was never a full bite.Also lots of videos on youtube about this.What does carrying a sidearm have to do with this?Because this is getting really off topic i will not respond anymore.Have a nice day.

[Artisi]

22 minutes ago, marcusarelus said:

Stray dogs fall to lowest level in 20 years after compulsory microchipping is introduced.

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/04/05/stray-dogs-fall-lowest-level-20-years-compulsory-microchipping/

Please read and comprehend fully instead of rabbiting the headlines, strays are those dogs not returned to owners. They are not discussing born and raised on the street soi dogs, a completely different story, scenario, problem. 

However, that is the UK, which I believe has nothing to do with Thailand and the way they control or don't control their street dogs. 

 

[jak2002003]

5 hours ago, marcusarelus said:

My property gate is always locked.  It locks when it is closed.  The dog barks first to warn anyone not to trespass.  Sign up in Thai not to trespass because of dog. 

 

Across the street two Bangkaews - same deal.  Up one house two Labs same deal.  One house away from that 2 Bangkaews and one pitt bull same deal (lady was robbed last year and got dogs).  7 guard dogs in the Soi. 

 

Guard dogs guard.  Provocation of a dog includes teasing, hitting, slapping, attacking, or throwing things at a dog.   A trespasser who forcibly enters a property which is known to be guarded by canines will most likely get bitten. My lawyer told me that I will avoid any problems because everyone is aware of the guard dogs. 

 

My dog can tell the difference between children playing and robbers because I live next to a teacher who tutors 20 kids on the weekends and they play with my dog.  No one gets bitten as the dog is not a dummy.  The dog has been socialized with children since a puppy.  Same house same teacher and children since the dog was born. 

 

So, why don't you like dogs?  

You really are on a totally different planet to everyone else aren't you?

 

Look at all the other poster responses to your posts.  Does that tell you that you might need to rethink you ideas when it comes to dogs.

 

You even think I don't like dogs because I think its wrong to have feral dangerous dogs roaming about... something you seem to think is fine and humans should come second to them.  You might consider you life of less value than a rabid stinky aggressive stray dog... that's up to you.

 

I don't hate dogs... I have 3 of my own which are very well cared for and loved... including being properly socialised and trained.  They have never been aggressive to people, have never bitten anyone.  As you have trained yours to bite people and think that is OK then that is saying something about you and your personality.  

 

As you never told me if you have children or even a partner... I am going to assume that you are a single lonely miserable social misfit who keeps dangerous dogs for company... as other human beings don't like you.

 

Now have a nice night snuggled up with your smelly dog. 

[marcusarelus]

38 minutes ago, jvs said:

I have spent a big part of my life training dogs for various duties,including PSD and guard dogs.Don't try to tell me bs,many times i have challenged 'dogs that will bite you' and very few ever it and if they did it was never a full bite.Also lots of videos on youtube about this.What does carrying a sidearm have to do with this?Because this is getting really off topic i will not respond anymore.Have a nice day.

I don't know about your experience but I watch Cesar Milan every night so I'm an expert. 

The reference to the sidearm is a tip to what the guy does for a living and he does not have to worry about shooting someone if they give his dog problems. 

[marcusarelus]

26 minutes ago, jak2002003 said:

You really are on a totally different planet to everyone else aren't you?

 

Look at all the other poster responses to your posts.  Does that tell you that you might need to rethink you ideas when it comes to dogs.

 

You even think I don't like dogs because I think its wrong to have feral dangerous dogs roaming about... something you seem to think is fine and humans should come second to them.  You might consider you life of less value than a rabid stinky aggressive stray dog... that's up to you.

 

I don't hate dogs... I have 3 of my own which are very well cared for and loved... including being properly socialised and trained.  They have never been aggressive to people, have never bitten anyone.  As you have trained yours to bite people and think that is OK then that is saying something about you and your personality.  

 

As you never told me if you have children or even a partner... I am going to assume that you are a single lonely miserable social misfit who keeps dangerous dogs for company... as other human beings don't like you.

 

Now have a nice night snuggled up with your smelly dog. 

I have a wife and family and clean smelling frequently bathed large dog.  You need to re read my posts and quote me when flaming me.  I never said I wanted rabid stinky aggressive stray dogs roaming about, nor have I trained my dog to bite, that's a lie and you made it up. 

 

I don't believe in killing helpless animals for no reason and think that people who do have mental problems. 

 

There has been a discussion in this thread about the best way to control stray dogs in Thailand.  I feel that neutering and behavior modification are the best ways to approach the problem along with other humane ideas.  Others think all stray dogs should be killed.  That is a primitive response more adapted to the middle ages than modern times.  

 

You have insulted and flamed me based on lies you made up.  In the future instead of lying about me try and quote anything I said that you disagree with. 

[BestB]

5 hours ago, Artisi said:

They die if they bite my kids or family, it won't be chocolate they die from it will be lead with copper jacket

Got to love computer warriors????????????

[mungostjohn]

I love dogs but the soi dogs could serve up a good meal.  

[pedro01]

16 hours ago, marcusarelus said:

I have linked three sources where experts have stated culling is not the answer and told you what I personally have done to improve the situation.  You on the other hand have stated only your opinion and that you would like to kill helpless animals. 

 

Correct - you have posted tenuous links.

 

Yet this is a discussion forum - not a link forum.

 

Are you able to actually make a point yourself or argue one. 

 

None of the studies you cited reference a long term cull of stray dogs as exist in countries with no real stray dog issue.

 

Why do you think that is? Let me guess - you'll say "research says"

[pedro01]

16 hours ago, marcusarelus said:

The Soi Dog Foundation has sterilized 250,000 animals and have made a difference.  You on the other hand have done nothing.  I have adopted a soi dog and neutered it and keep it in my gated property you on the other hand have done nothing.  Why are you posting? Me on the other hand if listened to and others adopt a soi dog and neuter as opposed to breeding will help solve the problem.  

 

Is this some new forum rule? I am not allowed to speak on the inefficiency of neutering dogs to protect children because I cannot show I have actively done something about it?

 

Complain to the mods if you like but telling me not to post makes you look weak. 

 

For the dogs you neutered - how have you ensured they didn't cause a traffic accident, bite a child, sh1t in the street or spread disease?

 

Killing a dog prevents all 3 - AND prevents reproduction!

[pedro01]

10 hours ago, marcusarelus said:

My property gate is always locked.  It locks when it is closed.  The dog barks first to warn anyone not to trespass.  Sign up in Thai not to trespass because of dog. 

 

Across the street two Bangkaews - same deal.  Up one house two Labs same deal.  One house away from that 2 Bangkaews and one pitt bull same deal (lady was robbed last year and got dogs).  7 guard dogs in the Soi. 

 

Guard dogs guard.  Provocation of a dog includes teasing, hitting, slapping, attacking, or throwing things at a dog.   A trespasser who forcibly enters a property which is known to be guarded by canines will most likely get bitten. My lawyer told me that I will avoid any problems because everyone is aware of the guard dogs. 

 

My dog can tell the difference between children playing and robbers because I live next to a teacher who tutors 20 kids on the weekends and they play with my dog.  No one gets bitten as the dog is not a dummy.  The dog has been socialized with children since a puppy.  Same house same teacher and children since the dog was born. 

 

So, why don't you like dogs?  

 

So let me get this right - Your dog understands the concept of property ownership. Your dog understands which property you paid for an which you didn't.

 

So if a bad guy comes to your property to steal something - the dog will know. If a kid comes on your property to get their ball back - it knows that this is not your property? What does your dog do? Check receipts?

 

You are typical of a dog owner that ascribes human properties to your pet. That thinks because they wag their tails, that they are able to make human rational decisions in any scenario. You are typical of the sort of dog owner that leaves his baby with a dog and then is shocked when the dog mauls it to death. Dogs are animals, they aren't human. They do not relate as humans. They can turn at any time.

 

Not only that - there is also no reason to think a dog cannot become mentally ill - yet people think their 'trained' pets are 100% reliable. It's mind boggling when you see the amount of mental illness in humans that dog owners presume that dogs will be 100% reliable. 

 

You have zero idea of what that dog considers it's own territory - but if you encourage the dog to be violent, you cannot expect to limit the scope of that violence to whom a human would consider a bad guy.

 

 

[pedro01]

5 hours ago, marcusarelus said:

Stray dogs fall to lowest level in 20 years after compulsory microchipping is introduced.

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/04/05/stray-dogs-fall-lowest-level-20-years-compulsory-microchipping/

 

Duh.... 2 reasons for this.

 

1 - The chips help re-unite an escaped dog with it's owner.

2 - The dogs that don't have chips are killed.

 

Perhaps you can explain how chipping 1,000,000 ownerless dogs in Thailand will have the same effect.

 

I won't hold my breath.

[stud858]

All things everyone is saying in this thread has good value, but authority is acting lazy on the matter.

In fact, let's talk about lazy. Why are humans able to be lazy. It doesn't fit in with our survival instinct. A big part of the existential debate. Why are we i.e staff at City Hall lazy to fix a problem. Excuses will say no money but I'm sure it is just laziness. Like line markings on roads. Easiest problem in the world to fix but no action. I'm off to bed. Goodnight. Dream a wonderful dream. One with no dog attacks.

Peace to all.

 

[marcusarelus]

7 hours ago, pedro01 said:

 

Correct - you have posted tenuous links.

 

Yet this is a discussion forum - not a link forum.

 

Are you able to actually make a point yourself or argue one. 

 

None of the studies you cited reference a long term cull of stray dogs as exist in countries with no real stray dog issue.

 

Why do you think that is? Let me guess - you'll say "research says"

I posted links to support my opinions. 

 

I posted links to support my opinions in our discussion.

 

I made the points about what I have done to alleviate the soi dog problem and made the point that I think (as do many mental health professionals (I linked) that people who go on and on about killing helpless animals have mental health problems.

 

You wrote, "None of the studies you cited reference a long term cull of stray dogs as exist in countries with no real stray dog issue."  I don't know what that means.  Would you try writing it again in understandable English.  Maybe an example or link a study or expert opinion. 

[marcusarelus]

7 hours ago, pedro01 said:

 

Is this some new forum rule? I am not allowed to speak on the inefficiency of neutering dogs to protect children because I cannot show I have actively done something about it?

 

Complain to the mods if you like but telling me not to post makes you look weak. 

 

For the dogs you neutered - how have you ensured they didn't cause a traffic accident, bite a child, sh1t in the street or spread disease?

 

Killing a dog prevents all 3 - AND prevents reproduction!

My dog is neutered and not allowed out without me and a leash.  She poops on my property.  I think killing helpless animals is a sign mental illness in the person who advocates such behavior as opposed to a humane way to handle the problem. 

 

Some dogs would have to be killed if no other way was found the save their lives.  But that is not the main way to solve the soi dog problem. 

[marcusarelus]

7 hours ago, pedro01 said:

 

Duh.... 2 reasons for this.

 

1 - The chips help re-unite an escaped dog with it's owner.

2 - The dogs that don't have chips are killed.

 

Perhaps you can explain how chipping 1,000,000 ownerless dogs in Thailand will have the same effect.

 

I won't hold my breath.

Estimates are 730,000 stray dogs in Thailand.  Chips would establish ownership of those that have escaped an owner or the owner tried to abandon and that is a significant part of the problem or were stolen.  It is not the only answer but as in the UK since chipping was made mandatory the stray dog population has been reduced to the lowest level in 20 years.

[Spidey]

25 minutes ago, marcusarelus said:

My dog is neutered and not allowed out without me and a leash.  She poops on my property.  I think killing helpless animals is a sign mental illness in the person who advocates such behavior as opposed to a humane way to handle the problem. 

 

Some dogs would have to be killed if no other way was found the save their lives.  But that is not the main way to solve the soi dog problem. 

You have cited various links to how the problem is solved in the UK. Unfortunately, your quotes have been carefully chosen to deflect the issue by not telling the full story.

 

I have owned dogs in the UK for most of my life and am fully aware of the problem.

 

20+ years ago there was a problem, in the UK, with packs of feral dogs (Soi dogs, if you like) roaming the streets, attacking adults and children. Some children died as a result of their injuries.

 

The solution was thus: Dog wardens were employed by every local authority. Their number depended on the size of the town/city. They were given a purpose designed vehicle and suitable equipment and had appropriate training. They were given the power to seize any unattended dog from the street and take it to the local dog pound.

 

At the dog pound, manned by people who genuinely care about the welfare of animals, the owner of the dog was sought primarily, either via a chip or a tag on the dog's collar. Failing that, every attempt was made to re-home the dog, after it had been neutered/spayed and having received the appropriate vaccinations, all of which was paid for by the new owner. If all else failed the dog is humanely and painlessly euthanised. Legally, this can be done after one week but most pounds give it longer than this but, initially, when the program was first enacted, the majority of dogs were euthanised. There has never been a policy of neutering/spaying these dogs and releasing them back onto the streets.

 

The problem of packs of feral dogs wandering the streets quickly disappeared. Children, in the UK, are no longer ripped apart and killed by packs of feral dogs.

 

You are correct in saying that the UK still has a problem, albeit relatively minor compared to previously, of stray dogs wandering the streets. This is caused in 2 ways:

 

1. Dogs inadvertently escaping from the owner's property.

 

2. People buying a dog as a family pet and realising they cant afford or don't have the ability to care for the dog, abandon it on the streets. For many, many years there has been a widespread campaign on the British media, every Christmas, with the catchphrase, "A dog is for life, not just for Christmas" but, unfortunately this practice still continues.

 

However, due to the dog wardens, this is a minor problem. Stray dogs are usually captured and taken to the pound within hours. I, myself, took ownership of my mother's dog when she died. I let it roam free in the rear garden, thinking it was totally secure. About an hour later, the dog had disappeared. The whole family was immediately deployed to search for the dog. After an hour of searching, to no avail, I phoned the police. They informed me that the dog had been captured by the dog warden and taken to the local pound.

 

When we collected the dog, I questioned the staff and it transpired that the dog warden had captured the dog within 60 minutes of leaving my garden. A local resident had phoned them and the dog warden immediately went about his business of apprehending the dog.

 

All of this would be very easy to implement in Thailand and would eradicate the Soi dog problem very quickly. And, don't forget, due to our very strict importation of animals laws, and the fact that it's an island, there's no rabies in the UK, making the problem of stray dogs less dangerous than it is in Thailand.

 

On the issue of chipping, although it's mandatory in the UK, it's of little value. The "dog is for Christmas" crowd, don't bother to chip their dogs making it impossible to trace the owner of an abandoned dog.

 

As an aside, you strike me as a typically irresponsible dog owner in Thailand. You keep dogs as guard dogs, i.e. weapons. Dogs are family pets, not weapons. Not surprising really as Americans routinely keep guns in their homes as a form of defence. I doubt that it's a coincidence that the UK has banned certain breeds of dog, the first and primary breed to be banned being the American Pit Bull terrier.

 

Also, I really feel for your neighbours. You have stated that you, and several of your neighbours, keep multiples of dogs as guard dogs necessitating them to be left to wander free on your properties at night. The cacophony of barking dogs, at night, must be driving your neighbours insane. Please don't state that "Your dogs are different" and that they don't bark at night, as this would be one of the more unbelievable of your many unbelievable statements.

[marcusarelus]

22 hours ago, Spidey said:

You have cited various links to how the problem is solved in the UK. Unfortunately, your quotes have been carefully chosen to deflect the issue by not telling the full story.

 

I have owned dogs in the UK for most of my life and am fully aware of the problem.

 

20+ years ago there was a problem, in the UK, with packs of feral dogs (Soi dogs, if you like) roaming the streets, attacking adults and children. Some children died as a result of their injuries.

 

The solution was thus: Dog wardens were employed by every local authority. Their number depended on the size of the town/city. They were given a purpose designed vehicle and suitable equipment and had appropriate training. They were given the power to seize any unattended dog from the street and take it to the local dog pound.

 

At the dog pound, manned by people who genuinely care about the welfare of animals, the owner of the dog was sought primarily, either via a chip or a tag on the dog's collar. Failing that, every attempt was made to re-home the dog, after it had been neutered/spayed and having received the appropriate vaccinations, all of which was paid for by the new owner. If all else failed the dog is humanely and painlessly euthanised. Legally, this can be done after one week but most pounds give it longer than this but, initially, when the program was first enacted, the majority of dogs were euthanised. There has never been a policy of neutering/spaying these dogs and releasing them back onto the streets.

 

The problem of packs of feral dogs wandering the streets quickly disappeared. Children, in the UK, are no longer ripped apart and killed by packs of feral dogs.

 

You are correct in saying that the UK still has a problem, albeit relatively minor compared to previously, of stray dogs wandering the streets. This is caused in 2 ways:

 

1. Dogs inadvertently escaping from the owner's property.

 

2. People buying a dog as a family pet and realising they cant afford or don't have the ability to care for the dog, abandon it on the streets. For many, many years there has been a widespread campaign on the British media, every Christmas, with the catchphrase, "A dog is for life, not just for Christmas" but, unfortunately this practice still continues.

 

However, due to the dog wardens, this is a minor problem. Stray dogs are usually captured and taken to the pound within hours. I, myself, took ownership of my mother's dog when she died. I let it roam free in the rear garden, thinking it was totally secure. About an hour later, the dog had disappeared. The whole family was immediately deployed to search for the dog. After an hour of searching, to no avail, I phoned the police. They informed me that the dog had been captured by the dog warden and taken to the local pound.

 

When we collected the dog, I questioned the staff and it transpired that the dog warden had captured the dog within 60 minutes of leaving my garden. A local resident had phoned them and the dog warden immediately went about his business of apprehending the dog.

 

All of this would be very easy to implement in Thailand and would eradicate the Soi dog problem very quickly. And, don't forget, due to our very strict importation of animals laws, and the fact that it's an island, there's no rabies in the UK, making the problem of stray dogs less dangerous than it is in Thailand.

 

On the issue of chipping, although it's mandatory in the UK, it's of little value. The "dog is for Christmas" crowd, don't bother to chip their dogs making it impossible to trace the owner of an abandoned dog.

 

As an aside, you strike me as a typically irresponsible dog owner in Thailand. You keep dogs as guard dogs, i.e. weapons. Dogs are family pets, not weapons. Not surprising really as Americans routinely keep guns in their homes as a form of defence. I doubt that it's a coincidence that the UK has banned certain breeds of dog, the first and primary breed to be banned being the American Pit Bull terrier.

 

Also, I really feel for your neighbours. You have stated that you, and several of your neighbours, keep multiples of dogs as guard dogs necessitating them to be left to wander free on your properties at night. The cacophony of barking dogs, at night, must be driving your neighbours insane. Please don't state that "Your dogs are different" and that they don't bark at night, as this would be one of the more unbelievable of your many unbelievable statements.

My dog has a job.  Home security.  My dogs aren't different.  None of the dogs in the Soi bark unless there is something out of the ordinary happening.  Fireworks they will bark or cry - don't like them.  My neighbor had two robberies before I got my dog.  Now none.  Of course the dogs are free on my gated property at night - that's how they protect it.  No one is welcome on my property unless I invite them.  I don't know why you find it difficult to believe dogs don't bark at night.  Mine does not.  The 7 other dogs around my house don't bark at night.  

 

Dogs have provided security for man since the dawn of time and mine does every day.  We had guard dogs in the army here 50 years ago for security.  Maybe I'm alive because of them. 

[ubon farang]

On 1/29/2019 at 8:10 AM, Artisi said:

A shame more soi dogs are given the same treatment. 

Give that cop a promotion Well done

[mauroest]

call Cambodians and let them to have dinner !
Dog's dinner

[Scott]

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