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Boris Johnson tells UK's May: Ditch the Irish backstop and get support

 

Former British Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson pauses during his speech at the JCB Headquarters in Rocester, Staffordshire, Britain, January 18, 2019. REUTERS/Andrew Yates/File Photo

 

LONDON (Reuters) - The most prominent Brexit campaigner in Prime Minister Theresa May's Conservative party said on Monday that she would get widespread support if she got the European Union to ditch the Irish backstop.

 

With less than nine weeks until the United Kingdom is due by law to leave the European Union on March 29, there is no agreement yet in London on how and even whether to leave the world's biggest trading bloc.

 

Parliament defeated May's deal two weeks ago by a huge margin with many Brexit-supporting rebels in her party angry at the Irish backstop, an insurance policy aimed at preventing a hard border in Ireland if no other solutions can be agreed.

 

"The PM wants to get rid of the backstop," Boris Johnson wrote in the Daily Telegraph, saying May could insert a "Freedom Clause" to allow the United Kingdom to get out of the backstop without the agreement of the EU.

 

"If the PM secures that change – a proper UK-sized perforation in the fabric of the backstop itself - I have no doubt that she will have the whole country full-throatedly behind her," Johnson said.

 

He said very senior sources in the government had told him that May would seek binding legal changes to the deal she agreed in November with the EU. Ireland has said it doesn't want any changes to the backstop.

 

On Jan. 29, parliament will debate May's proposed next steps as well as alternative plans put forward by lawmakers, including some that seek to delay Britain's exit by requesting an extension to the Article 50 negotiation period.

 

Prominent Brexit-supporting lawmaker Jacob Rees-Mogg has said that May's deal could be made acceptable to eurosceptic rebels in the Conservative Party if the Irish backstop was removed or nullified.

 

(Reporting by Guy Faulconbridge; editing by Michael Holden)

 

 

-- © Copyright Reuters 2019-01-28

  

[pegman]

Zero chance in hell the E.U. goes against member Ireland on this issue. 

[Presto]

If there's one thing to say about Brexiteers like Johnson and Farage then it would be that they are clueless. A big mouth, yes, but no plan, no solutions, nothing. Empty headed power seekers.

[Loiner]

If there's one thing to say about Brexiteers like Johnson and Farage then it would be that they are clueless. A big mouth, yes, but no plan, no solutions, nothing. Empty headed power seekers.

He’s just given a solution to the impasse - ditch the backstop. Add a ‘freedom clause’ looks like a major concession.
It’s a total red herring anyway, raised after the Leave vote. An EU bargaining chip and Remainer excuse to subvert the Leave process.


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[tebee]

This evening the officers' committee of the Titanic will move an amendment that the iceberg must move away from the ship.

"This sends a clear signal to the iceberg that we are determined to carry on," said Officer Brady.

[welovesundaysatspace]

1 hour ago, Loiner said:

He’s just given a solution to the impasse - ditch the backstop. Add a ‘freedom clause’ looks like a major concession.
It’s a total red herring anyway, raised after the Leave vote. An EU bargaining chip and Remainer excuse to subvert the Leave process.


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Calling something that doesn’t work a “solution” — brilliant. When will Brexiteers finally wake up and return to reality?

[elliss]

 

    Bonkers ,  his JCB is full of the brown stuff .

[Bluespunk]

Stuff you bj, you don’t dictate to the Irish.  

[Bluespunk]

4 hours ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

Calling something that doesn’t work a “solution” — brilliant. When will Brexiteers finally wake up and return to reality?

Not only do they not know where reality is, they can’t read the directions on how to get there. 

Edited January 28, 2019 by Bluespunk

[melvinmelvin]

7 hours ago, pegman said:

Zero chance in hell the E.U. goes against member Ireland on this issue. 

 

last week, during the Davos jippo, Varadkar opined that Ireland is prepared

to put up a hard border re NI, should UK opt to exit EU with no deal

 

 

Edited January 28, 2019 by melvinmelvin

[arithai12]

11 hours ago, webfact said:

"If the PM secures that change – a proper UK-sized perforation in the fabric of the backstop itself - I have no doubt that she will have the whole country full-throatedly behind her," Johnson said.

Freud could have written a book or two about Boris Johnson's choice of words.

[Loiner]

Calling something that doesn’t work a “solution” — brilliant. When will Brexiteers finally wake up and return to reality?

Is it just that you find the backstop a welcome relief in the plot to stop Brexit, or that you really can’t understand it’s only a diversionary tactic that’s easily solved?


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[sammieuk1]

I remember him saying before the vote that we will end up with a better deal with the EU out than in is this it? what ever this cluster **** is????

[fvw53]

19 hours ago, Presto said:

If there's one thing to say about Brexiteers like Johnson and Farage then it would be that they are clueless. A big mouth, yes, but no plan, no solutions, nothing. Empty headed power seekers.

They seem to think that the EU Commission can act as a kind of "politburo" / they do not want to know or are simply ignorant that the final decision on the EU side is not with the Commission with with every of the 27 member states / for this reason it will be always difficult to get a "divorce" whereby one side wants to go ...and 27 others on the other side regret this and need to accept the divorce conditions / 

[Baerboxer]

19 hours ago, pegman said:

Zero chance in hell the E.U. goes against member Ireland on this issue. 

 

Of course the dastardly Boris knows that. The EU have said that many times. Ireland have said they will not accept that change. Any one of the 27 EU states can veto the treaty in the EU parliament.

 

But by giving May a challenge he knows can never be met he seeks to undermine her; and push for what he really wants which is a no-deal crash out Brexit which suits him and is also wealthy pals.

[Baerboxer]

2 hours ago, Loiner said:

Is it just that you find the backstop a welcome relief in the plot to stop Brexit, or that you really can’t understand it’s only a diversionary tactic that’s easily solved?


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Easily solved - so come on then genius what's your solution?

[welovesundaysatspace]

4 hours ago, Loiner said:

Is it just that you find the backstop a welcome relief in the plot to stop Brexit, or that you really can’t understand it’s only a diversionary tactic that’s easily solved?


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“easily” dissolved, where did I hear that word already? Oh, the easiest deal in history it was. Still not returned from cloud cuckoo land. 

[Loiner]

 
Easily solved - so come on then genius what's your solution?

‘Virtual Border” As existing. Anybody who does not want that to work is looking for problems that are not really there. Yes, that would be the EU and Ireland and Remainers too.


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[Kwasaki]

Just tell EU UK will leave deal or no deal and get on with it.

Nice deal done with BT and China that's a start. 

[welovesundaysatspace]

34 minutes ago, Loiner said:

“Virtual Border” As existing. Anybody who does not want that to work is looking for problems that are not really there. Yes, that would be the EU and Ireland and Remainers too.

What a great solution that does not work because your negotiating party will not accept it. You should apply the same principle to your personal finances, telling your wife you found a solution to get rich, you will just go to your boss and ask for ten times the pay. Brilliant. 

Brexiteers still in cloud cuckoo land. 

Edited January 29, 2019 by welovesundaysatspace

[welovesundaysatspace]

33 minutes ago, Kwasaki said:

Just tell EU UK will leave deal or no deal and get on with it.

Nice deal done with BT and China that's a start. 

The UK has done a nice trade deal with China? Any source for that and for the “nice” terms of that deal?

[Loiner]

What a great solution that does not work because your negotiating party will not accept it. You should apply the same principle to your personal finances, telling your wife you found a solution to get rich, you will just go to your boss and ask for ten times the pay. Brilliant. 
Brexiteers still in cloud cuckoo land. 

Boris gave you a solution, I’ve just given you another. If you (EU Ireland & Remain) don’t want that, then you can erect your own barbed wire and machine gun nests. UK won’t because we signed the GFA and keep our side of the bargain.
If I went to my boss and told him “Because we have an existing agreement, I won’t be charging you any more when I go freelance, but I’ll still provide services.” He would probably snap it up.

In cuckoo land the cuckoo always wins, because he kicks the squawking competitors out of the nest. Now off you go chick, your mum is bringing me worms.


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[sanemax]

29 minutes ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

What a great solution that does not work because your negotiating party will not accept it. You should apply the same principle to your personal finances, telling your wife you found a solution to get rich, you will just go to your boss and ask for ten times the pay. Brilliant. 

Brexiteers still in cloud cuckoo land. 

Ireland would accept it , its the E.U. who may not accept it .

That is one reason why Brexisters wanted to leave , so that we can make our own rules , rather than the E.U deciding whats best for us 

U.K and Ireland cannot have an open border..............because Europeans say we cannot 

[Kwasaki]

1 hour ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

The UK has done a nice trade deal with China? Any source for that and for the “nice” terms of that deal?

On BBC News yesterday.

It's “nice” whether you like it or not, if your all for being led around what paramounts to a leash by French & Germans and Brussels well hard luck there's free world out there free from the club.

Edited January 29, 2019 by Kwasaki

[khunken]

1 hour ago, sanemax said:

Ireland would accept it , its the E.U. who may not accept it .

That is one reason why Brexisters wanted to leave , so that we can make our own rules , rather than the E.U deciding whats best for us 

U.K and Ireland cannot have an open border..............because Europeans say we cannot 

Ireland will not accept any so-called solution that still requires customs clearance for goods crossing the border & a return to pre-EU smuggling controls. The EU, as is their right, is giving Ireland its full support.

27 EU countries can agree but the UK can't even agree with itself.

 

[welovesundaysatspace]

3 hours ago, Loiner said:

Boris gave you a solution, I’ve just given you another. If you (EU Ireland & Remain) don’t want that, then you can erect your own barbed wire and machine gun nests. UK won’t because we signed the GFA and keep our side of the bargain.

The EU doesn’t need a solution, not from Boris and not from you. For what problem does the EU need a solution? You want a deal, apparently, and that’s your problem. 

 

3 hours ago, sanemax said:

Ireland would accept it , its the E.U. who may not accept it .

You want a deal with the EU, not with Ireland (assuming for a moment that Ireland, who had repeatedly said it wants the backstop, would indeed accept it). 

 

2 hours ago, Kwasaki said:

On BBC News yesterday.

It's “nice” whether you like it or not, if your all for being led around what paramounts to a leash by French & Germans and Brussels well hard luck there's free world out there free from the club.

I can only say whether it’s “nice” or not after seeing the details, so could you please provide a link to where the agreed deal is mentioned? There’s nothing on the BBC website I’m afraid. 

Edited January 29, 2019 by welovesundaysatspace

[Loiner]

2 hours ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

The EU doesn’t need a solution, not from Boris and not from you. For what problem does the EU need a solution? You want a deal, apparently, and that’s your problem. 

 

You want a deal with the EU, not with Ireland (assuming for a moment that Ireland, who had repeatedly said it wants the backstop, would indeed accept it).

 

No, but another poster did, so I provided one - always happy to help someone in real need.

9 hours ago, Baerboxer said:

 

Easily solved - so come on then genius what's your solution?

 

I'd be content to Leave without a deal, and am not entirely averse to a good one. It's Theresa and the closet Remainers who are insisting on one, in the expectation that one can't be agreed with the recalcitrant EU so they can force us to Remain.

The issue of the NI backstop and its' inclusion in May's Plan A BRINO deal is a red herring, introduced by the EU. Of course they don't want a solution because they like the idea of a problem they won't allow to be solved. 

[Kwasaki]

18 hours ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

I can only say whether it’s “nice” or not after seeing the details, so could you please provide a link to where the agreed deal is mentioned? There’s nothing on the BBC website I’m afraid. 

Here's one Google in 2 secs.

https://www.itproportal.com/news/bt-signs-major-china-telecoms-deal/

[dick dasterdly]

On 1/29/2019 at 10:49 AM, Baerboxer said:

 

Of course the dastardly Boris knows that. The EU have said that many times. Ireland have said they will not accept that change. Any one of the 27 EU states can veto the treaty in the EU parliament.

 

But by giving May a challenge he knows can never be met he seeks to undermine her; and push for what he really wants which is a no-deal crash out Brexit which suits him and is also wealthy pals.

Have to agree.

 

Boris is only looking out for himself, and that's always been the case.

 

Hence his latest statement that the only problem with May and the eu's BRINO deal (whilst paying 39bn for the privilege.....)  -  is the backstop.....

Edited January 30, 2019 by dick dasterdly

[welovesundaysatspace]

3 hours ago, Kwasaki said:

Here's one Google in 2 secs.

https://www.itproportal.com/news/bt-signs-major-china-telecoms-deal/

Nowhere does it say the UK signed a “nice” trade deal with China.