Drones, fire trucks, tall buildings wage war on haze

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Drones, fire trucks, tall buildings wage war on haze

By Kornkamon Aksorndech 
The Nation

 

 

Four water-carrying drones took off from Bangkok City Hall on Friday morning to join three fire engines in the latest assault on health-threatening haze.

 

 

The Bangkok Metropolitan Administration (BMA) is still pinning its hopes on water sprayed into the air as a means of lowering levels of harmful PM2.5 dust particles.

 

Meanwhile the Pollution Control Department (PCD) named 35 areas of Greater Bangkok with unsafe PM2.5 levels on Friday morning, topped by Bang Khen district in the capital, where the level reached 83 micrograms of PM2.5 per cubic metre of air. 

 

 

The level along Rama II Road in Muang Samut Sakhon dropped to 81 on Friday from 91 on Thursday and Bangkok’s Bang Khun Thien district was down to 77 from 95 the day before.

 

Pol Lt Colonel Somkiat Nonthakaew, director of the BMA Fire and Rescue Department, reported a small change in plans from the previous day’s deployment. The three fire engines, each with a 10,000-litre water tank, were on Friday to spray water to lower heights, while the drones would be spraying the air from 30-50 metres’ altitude.

 

Water was also being sprayed from the 37th floors of tall buildings. 

 

The operation would continue for “as long as it takes”, Somkiat said. 

 

 

The drones, which can cover one rai per flight, were on Friday spraying the area in front of City Hall 2 on Mitmaitree Road, Santiparp Park in Din Daeng, King Bhumibol 80th Anniversary Commemoration Park in Sathorn, the Wong Wian Yai area in Thon Buri and the King Rama I Monument at the Memorial Bridge in Phra Nakhon. 

 

Somkiat also confirmed that a fleet of small planes mustered by the BMA and Bangkok Aviation Centre would on Saturday spray water along Rama II Road in Samut Sakhon.

 

 

Source: http://www.nationmultimedia.com/detail/breakingnews/30363348

 

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[wgdanson]

I thought it was going to be 50 drones. What a let down.

[Captain_Bob]

Keep spraying/pissing from drones and rooftops = zero effect, but then politicians can claim to be "doing something". Then next month when the annual "drought crisis" begins, with bullshit "election" used as a distraction... Yeah yeah, if you don't like it go back to your country (USA) but at least there the politics are funny ???? Whereas here it's just pathetic with no end in sight. ????

Edited February 1, 2019 by Captain_Bob

[KhunBENQ]

How about advancing Songkran?

Airheads!

 

This week they reduced the price for Diesel fuel by 40 Satang.

(no change for other fuels)

Pickups queues at the filling stations.

What a wise move to fight pollution.

Edited February 1, 2019 by KhunBENQ

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

33 minutes ago, sgoodes said:

These fools are really kidding themselves. The lengths these idiots will go to to make the world think they're serious.

 

They're doing every useless, ignorant thing possible, all the while ignoring doing anything about dealing with the pollution sources that really matter.

 

Did the governor's supposed meeting with "experts" recommend to have fire trucks spray water off tall buildings, or stupid drone flights, as a solution to the problem?  Somehow, I think not...

 

Edited February 1, 2019 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[sammieuk1]

Whip carrying drones take off tomorrow to crack the problem????

[Nyezhov]

17 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

They're doing every useless, ignorant thing possible, all the while ignoring doing anything about dealing with the pollution sources that really matter.

Well what do you suggest to solve the problem Immediately? Do nothing? 

 

Ban all vehicles? So disrupt the entire economy and wait for the air to clear up?

 

Talk is cheap as to what should have been done. Its easy to see what must be done to clean the air in the future.

 

But what about tomorrow, so I can go somewhere without a mask. What do all you experts suggest insrtead of spraying

Edited February 1, 2019 by Nyezhov

[Chang_paarp]

Anyone seen the drones actually doing anything? We were told they would be able to lift 10 Litres (10kg) of water to spray, that will be an interesting thing to watch. Then add the weight of the spray equipment, they must be impressive drones. Now they can cover 1 rai per flight! 

 

On a side note will the firemen target the drones as competition?

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

8 minutes ago, Nyezhov said:

Well what do you suggest to solve the problem Immediately? Do nothing? 

 

Ban all vehicles? So disrupt the entire economy and wait for the air to clear up?

 

Talk is cheap as to what should have been done. Its easy to see what must be done to clean the air in the future.

 

But what about tomorrow, so I can go somewhere without a mask. What do all you experts suggest insrtead of spraying

 

Stop the burning now... That would have an immediate effect.

 

Begin to implement a mandatory vehicle inspection program for smog compliance, starting with heavy duty vehicles and eventually getting to cars. Don't pass, can't drive.

 

It would mean creating a whole new industry here for Thailand, meaning equipment purchases, hiring staff, etc etc..  And would be funded by the inspection fees paid by vehicle operators/motorists.

 

That's going to take time, but ultimately, is what's needed.  The same smog season will be back again next year and the year after that and the year after that... So better get started now... the sooner the better.

 

Spending their time, energy and effort now on pointless, useless non-solutions accomplishes nothing.

 

There are other things they could do now that get down to finer details and levels, regarding industrial emissions, crematorium emissions, ride-sharing requirements, etc etc...  But they ought to focus on the big, impactful things first.

 

It's not rocket science. It's not like cities and urban areas elsewhere in the world haven't addressed and dealt with their smog problems.  It just takes commitments and sustained effort by serious, knowledgeable people who have the authority to enact and enforce the required changes -- something that's entirely lacking here.

 

 

Edited February 1, 2019 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[MaxLee]

1 hour ago, webfact said:

Drones, fire trucks, tall buildings wage war on haze

 

[Nyezhov]

3 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

Stop the burning now... That would have an immediate effect.

How do you stop in in Cambodia?

 

4 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

Spending their time, energy and effort now on pointless, useless non-solutions accomplishes nothing.

So they cant stop the burning. Mandatory vehicle inspections take a few years to sort out. What do we do about this afternoon? Look at the dust?

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

1 minute ago, Nyezhov said:

How do you stop in in Cambodia?

 

So they cant stop the burning. Mandatory vehicle inspections take a few years to sort out. What do we do about this afternoon? Look at the dust?

 

Cambodia may contribute some to the problem, but Thailand is a major factor as well. And right now, if you look at the smog levels in Cambodia, they've been nowhere near as high as BKK... So right now, that's not where the problem is coming from.

 

They can stop the Thai burning, but, they're not even willing to be serious about that.... Control what you can control... But no, they won't...

 

Stop trying to make excuses for inaction and ignorance.

 

Edited February 1, 2019 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[Airalee]

Strangely enough, the air seems far cleaner today than it has for the past week.  Doubt it has anything to do with water being sprayed however.

[Nyezhov]

38 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

Stop trying to make excuses for inaction and ignorance.

Im not making excuses. Y'all keep harping on "oh spraying water, how stupid, should have done this and should have done that,,,,"

 

If the military fans out tomorrow across Thailand and stops all of the Thai burning, is that going to solve the problem? Not based on the maps I am seeing....

 

What should we do today so I can breathe tomorrow morning?

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

4 minutes ago, Nyezhov said:

Im not making excuses. Y'all keep harping on "oh spraying water, how stupid, should have done this and should have done that,,,,"

 

If the military fans out tomorrow across Thailand and stops all of the Thai burning, is that going to solve the problem? Not based on the maps I am seeing....

It would make a significant difference.

 

Quote

 

What should we do today so I can breathe tomorrow morning?

 

Until the government gets serious... wear a mask.

 

Today is better overall, but this real time map doesn't show Cambodia as the source of the problems in BKK...

 

 

Edited February 1, 2019 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

 

https://www.airvisual.com/thailand

 

[Lacessit]

1 hour ago, Nyezhov said:

Well what do you suggest to solve the problem Immediately? Do nothing? 

 

Ban all vehicles? So disrupt the entire economy and wait for the air to clear up?

 

Talk is cheap as to what should have been done. Its easy to see what must be done to clean the air in the future.

 

But what about tomorrow, so I can go somewhere without a mask. What do all you experts suggest insrtead of spraying

When you have a disease, prevention is better than cure. Same Same. Pull every smoke-belching vehicle off the roads. Tell the owners either get it fixed, or scrap the vehicle. Second offence, scrap the vehicle for them.

[Nyezhov]

12 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

Until the government gets serious... wear a mask.

 

Today is better overall, but this real time map doesn't show Cambodia as the source of the problems in BKK...

So the water spraying isnt "serious"?

 

I didnt know they had air monitoring in Cambo. Have you seen the fire map?

[Nyezhov]

2 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

When you have a disease, prevention is better than cure. Same Same. Pull every smoke-belching vehicle off the roads. Tell the owners either get it fixed, or scrap the vehicle. Second offence, scrap the vehicle for them.

Well that will help a great deal. But not in a few hours.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

1 minute ago, Nyezhov said:

So the water spraying isnt "serious"?

No, it's useless in terms of having any meaningful impact on a city the size of BKK.

 

1 minute ago, Nyezhov said:

 

I didnt know they had air monitoring in Cambo. Have you seen the fire map?

 

There are private air pollution sensors as part of the AirVisual network...as in the info I posted above.  Just because there are fires in Cambodia doesn't mean that smoke is ending up in BKK.

 

[Lacessit]

3 minutes ago, Nyezhov said:

So the water spraying isnt "serious"?

 

 

Of course not. It just gives the appearance of doing something. As I said in another thread, each drone is spraying 32 square kilometres of Bangkok, assuming they are evenly distributed. Might as well piss on a forest fire to put it out.

[Nyezhov]

5 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

Might as well piss on a forest fire to put it out.

Yeah but if the 82nd Airborne all pissed at once....

 

Or Chuck Norris

[Nyezhov]

11 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

No, it's useless in terms of having any meaningful impact on a city the size of BKK.

 

 

There are private air pollution sensors as part of the AirVisual network...as in the info I posted above.  Just because there are fires in Cambodia doesn't mean that smoke is ending up in BKK.

 

OK well your agenda is that its Thailands fault. Thats fine.

 

But there is burning in other places and that makes it a regional problem if the air is ever going to be "clean"

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

3 minutes ago, Nyezhov said:

OK well your agenda is that its Thailands fault. Thats fine.

 

But there is burning in other places and that makes it a regional problem if the air is ever going to be "clean"

 

More excuses and deflection... You can continue complaining about Cambodia and elsewhere AFTER Thailand gets its own house in order... which they've shown no serious sign of even attempting to do.

 

 

 

[Justgrazing]

3 hours ago, webfact said:

Drones, fire trucks, tall buildings wage war on haze

Says it all .. If there is to be a war then it should be against causes of pollution not one of the effects ..

Meanwhile every minute of every day more pollution is exiting into the atmo' over Bangkok from the chronic vehicle congestion ..

Better get some more molasses mix .. 

[Justgrazing]

3 hours ago, wgdanson said:

I thought it was going to be 50 drones. What a let down.

Maybe some crashed on take off .. Any war has to have its hero's ..

[Nyezhov]

1 hour ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

More excuses and deflection... You can continue complaining about Cambodia and elsewhere AFTER Thailand gets its own house in order... which they've shown no serious sign of even attempting to do.

 

 

 

Im not deflecting anything. Thailands air quality rules and the enfocement therefore suck. It took about 15 years to clean up LA so the Thai need to start now by instituting Emissions inspection rules. They need to fan out through the country and stop open burning here. Done. Take vehicles off the road, close down factories, impose draconian rules and enforce them. Done.

 

So how does that change any of my points:

 

What to do about it now.

What to do about the regional factors.

 

You can continue to ignore the problem of Cambodia and other actors until when? When Thailand cuts its emissions and the skies are still hazed?

[Burma Bill]

At the moment, this is a common sight at night in Isaan sugar cane fields and when the wind is in a southerly direction.......BKK!!

 

[hotchilli]

Then they're going to waging war for a very long time, these measures are absolutely ineffective, just like the officials who can't figure the root cause of pollution.

Even the man in charge admits " I don't know what to do" beggars belief!!

Hers a clue... computer>google>search PM2.5 causes> effective solutions!!!

[Reigntax]

On 2/1/2019 at 8:08 PM, Nyezhov said:

Im not making excuses. Y'all keep harping on "oh spraying water, how stupid, should have done this and should have done that,,,,"

 

If the military fans out tomorrow across Thailand and stops all of the Thai burning, is that going to solve the problem? Not based on the maps I am seeing....

 

What should we do today so I can breathe tomorrow morning?

It is not what anyone can do today, it is what they should gave been doing last week, last month, last decade but failed to do anything.

 

Except talk of course and blow their own trumpets.

 

Same as flooding, power lines, buses, public transport, addressing corruption.

They all just talk <deleted>.

Edited February 2, 2019 by Reigntax