Looking at going back to the UK with the family in 2021

[BritManToo]

11 minutes ago, Essex Reject said:

As for schooling, not being there and what with being able to apply for schools 10 months before makes it a huge problem. One idea I have thought of, albeit a very expensive one, is I  could place the boys in a private school for 1 year then once settled in a catchment area then apply for schools. Just an idea mind.

Once the kids in the UK, the local school has to accept them.

They can't say the school is full, no application needed.

 

By not having your kids with you, you make lots of problems for yourself.

Edited March 24, 2019 by BritManToo

[Essex Reject]

1 minute ago, BritManToo said:

Once the kids in the UK, the local school has to accept them.

They can't say the school is full.

Maybe some school do yes, but may not be first or even second choice. That wasn't my point though, my point was how difficult it would be to arrange a school for them to start at while over here. I don't want to get to the UK months and months before they start.

[BritManToo]

18 minutes ago, Essex Reject said:

Maybe some school do yes, but may not be first or even second choice. That wasn't my point though, my point was how difficult it would be to arrange a school for them to start at while over here. I don't want to get to the UK months and months before they start.

The local school has to take kids living in the area, they are required by law to be in a school during term time.

You arrive in the UK during term time, the kids will be at school the next Monday.

Schools aren't required to arrange anything for kids not already living in their area.

Most of the UK (outside the big cities) doesn't have a choice of schools, just the one.

Choose a suitable place to live and there won't be a problem.

 

Edited March 24, 2019 by BritManToo

[sanemax]

1 minute ago, Essex Reject said:

Sorry for late reply, I've been in the cooler for a week lol.

 

Appreciate your input and ideas. Are you saying it's possible to arrange somewhere to rent from over here by phone/email? Never heard that before, must be a lot to arrange etc, and obviously can't few property?

 

As for schooling, not being there and what with being able to apply for schools 10 months before makes it a huge problem. One idea I have thought of, albeit a very expensive one, is I  could place the boys in a private school for 1 year then once settled in a catchment area then apply for schools. Just an idea mind.

 

As for working, the more I think about it I really don't think I will get anything, unless I get lucky (someone I know for example) or charm the pants off of someone, lol.

Many things can be done online these days , jobs and properties for rent/sale can be found online , but of course, you would physically have to be there to have interviews etc .

   Take a look at *Rightmove dot com" and they have properties for rent with photos to view .

  Best of luck to you , but to be honest , maybe I'm just being pessimistic , but you could find yourself in a low paying job with high expenses and you could end up struggling to make ends meet .

  You could go from having a high standard of living in Thailand to struggling to get by in the UK

[sanemax]

9 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

Once the kids in the UK, the local school has to accept them.

They can't say the school is full, no application needed.

 

By not having your kids with you, you make lots of problems for yourself.

Is that school specific though ?

Does a particular school have to accept them or is it down to the Education authority to find them a place somewhere ?

 

[Pilotman]

On 3/17/2019 at 10:45 AM, BritManToo said:

This is a thread about UK children, only proof required is a Birth Cert with your name on it.

I had my kid's UK passport by the time he was 2 months old, and a UK consular Birth Cert as well as the Thai one.

My British born and bred step son has his name on the birth certificate for his natural daughter, born to a Philippine lady. Despite that, and a DNA test proving his paternity, the British will not acknowledge his daughter as British, despite his appeals and using a good Immigration lawyer in the UK. He is still mired in the paperwork and the girl is now 4.  I wish the OP all the luck in the world, but as one poster said, it's not that simple or straightforward.  

[rasg]

It's true about the Thai vipers nest as far as the yak yak that goes on between them.

 

My wife originally started work at a Thai restaurant that was very close but I suggested that £5 an hour wasn't enough for her very hard work. Her boss and I had words and his reply was that "Thai people help each other". I pointed out that it was illegal to pay less than minimum wage and he didn't like it.

 

My wife then worked at a different local Thai restaurant which had four women from the same family working together. Tried to get her going to a casino with them along with her joining a pyramid scheme that was doomed to failure and suggested that she should have a boob job and various other body parts changed. She ignored them and she worked with them for a few months. The original restaurant re employed her at better than minimum wage. The people she is working with are very nice Thai couple and treat her with a lot of respect and she is a very hard worker. Very pleased that she is away from the yak yak in her ear.

[GinBoy2]

28 minutes ago, rasg said:

It's true about the Thai vipers nest as far as the yak yak that goes on between them.

 

My wife originally started work at a Thai restaurant that was very close but I suggested that £5 an hour wasn't enough for her very hard work. Her boss and I had words and his reply was that "Thai people help each other". I pointed out that it was illegal to pay less than minimum wage and he didn't like it.

 

My wife then worked at a different local Thai restaurant which had four women from the same family working together. Tried to get her going to a casino with them along with her joining a pyramid scheme that was doomed to failure and suggested that she should have a boob job and various other body parts changed. She ignored them and she worked with them for a few months. The original restaurant re employed her at better than minimum wage. The people she is working with are very nice Thai couple and treat her with a lot of respect and she is a very hard worker. Very pleased that she is away from the yak yak in her ear.

I've seen that scenario many times.

 

Thankfully my wife works for the Federal Government, and hence all of her co-workers are farangs.

 

She does go to one of the local Thai restaurants where they all congregate, thats where she says it can get ugly.

 

Some of the restaurant staff are actually paid no salary, and rely on tips alone. That is totally illegal since you are required to pay the Federal minimum wage.

 

Seems to be a pattern worldwide it seems!

Edited March 25, 2019 by GinBoy2

[RichardColeman]

just remember you cannot spend that money (62k)- not for first two years or so, as you will need to show it again later if you're not working

[rasg]

hai Not as far as my wife is concerned. For the first three years she lived here with me her only contact with Thais at all were her family via Facebook. She is happy to have fun with my family that is now her family. More than 35 of them.

 

The couple of times we ate in Thai restaurants. Once when we were on honeymoon. Three Thai women were drunk and swearing and shouting and my wife wanted to crawl in a hole. She told me she was embarassed to be Thai at that moment.

 

Now she works with a Thai married couple and she is also good friends with the family. It is her choice for them to be her only contact with Thais unless we go to the temple.

[rasg]

21 minutes ago, kellio said:

The truth of the matter is that western women are far more likely to reflect what many would consider to be bad influence on a Thai woman in a western environment than other Thai women. 

Not if she picks her friends wisely.

 

Thai women can be really horrible to one another.

 

I am quite happy that my wife doesn’t like alcohol and I rarely drink nowadays.

[Pilotman]

19 hours ago, Essex Reject said:

Anyone got any thoughts on North Yorkshire? Lovely part of the world and cheap housing compared to the South..downside is they speak funny there and it's cold up Norf!

No mate, it's you lot from the south that speak funny. 

[Pilotman]

6 hours ago, rasg said:

It's true about the Thai vipers nest as far as the yak yak that goes on between them.

 

My wife originally started work at a Thai restaurant that was very close but I suggested that £5 an hour wasn't enough for her very hard work. Her boss and I had words and his reply was that "Thai people help each other". I pointed out that it was illegal to pay less than minimum wage and he didn't like it.

 

My wife then worked at a different local Thai restaurant which had four women from the same family working together. Tried to get her going to a casino with them along with her joining a pyramid scheme that was doomed to failure and suggested that she should have a boob job and various other body parts changed. She ignored them and she worked with them for a few months. The original restaurant re employed her at better than minimum wage. The people she is working with are very nice Thai couple and treat her with a lot of respect and she is a very hard worker. Very pleased that she is away from the yak yak in her ear.

My wife spent nearly 21 years in the UK and raised our daughter in that time.  In all those years, she only met 4 Thai ladies who she called her real friends.  The others that she came across where back stabbing, jealous, gossipy, evil cows, almost to a comical degree. During that time, we were lucky enough to go to two Buckingham Palace Garden Parties.  Boy, you should have heard and seen the reaction from the Thai bad crowd then. They were apoplectic with jealousy.     

[CharlieH]

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[theoldgit]

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[SheungWan]

IMHO the OP should reorder the priorities in his list. Uprooting the family to go back to the UK highly inadvisable until priority number one is sorted out which is last on his list. The proper thing to do is to go back to the UK alone for say a year to sort out employment. Only when that is done should the rest of the family be brought over. All that talk about finding nice schools etc is quite frankly a dreamworld until work is sorted out. Otherwise stay in Thailand.

[BritManToo]

1 hour ago, Benroon said:

Wrong  - you have to nominate 3 schools and the council choose which one the kids will go to not you. Guess which ones aren't likely to be full !

I've never lived anywhere that had more than 1 school.

[puchooay]

What is considered "proof" of a salary of 18600?

 

I have been in Thailand for a fair few years now. I have income in excess of the required amount but it is not paid into a UK bank and is not earned in UK, hence I also have no income tax statements from UK.

 

Do I consider going back to UK for a year and getting a job that pays in UK and is tax liable? Would one year do it? Say I have 1 year of tax returns and a guarantee of work for the next year?

 

Thanks

[DDBKK]

7 hours ago, puchooay said:

What is considered "proof" of a salary of 18600?

 

I have been in Thailand for a fair few years now. I have income in excess of the required amount but it is not paid into a UK bank and is not earned in UK, hence I also have no income tax statements from UK.

 

Do I consider going back to UK for a year and getting a job that pays in UK and is tax liable? Would one year do it? Say I have 1 year of tax returns and a guarantee of work for the next year?

 

Thanks

It depends on the type of work you are doing, how it is earned and how you present your case. 

 

A sea fairer for example, who spends a lot of time in the ocean and a small amount of time in Thailand visiting his wife and family may be eligible to bring them to the UK without a job offer back in the UK and also without paying UK tax (because he isn't spending more than 92 days per tax year on UK soil).

 

[bojo]

On 3/27/2019 at 7:15 AM, BritManToo said:

I've never lived anywhere that had more than 1 school.

Many areas have multiple schools and many schools are full nowadays, it's a contentious issue across the UK, with many blaming the rise in EU migrant workers' kids taking the places. Regardless, it's quite possible that the child will not be able to go to a school of their choice and in many cases kids have to go to schools outside of the area, which can be quite inconvenient. It's not just a case of rocking up and 'welcome' anymore.

The OP's eldest is 10 and has a year before eligible for secondary school which luckily will give him time to check out decent schooling for the important move up at 11. If he's smart he could also sit an 11 plus exam to a decent grammar......

[bojo]

Personally, from what he's told us, I wouldn't want to be in his shoes looking for employment having been in Thailand for 15 years. It's not going to be easy, I can assure him of that.

 

It's not an easy job market in the UK currently unless you have a skill, trade, profession or have funds for self employment. Wages are pretty poor for mundane jobs and it's very competitive if you're self employed...

 

However, If the OP isn't fussy about what work he does, there is plenty of agency work where age is immaterial. Some agencies contracting to Amazon for example pay around £11 an hour for nights. Not perfect, but if needs must, there is always a back up.

Once you're in with an agency and show up for shifts, you get the pick of the crop and your phone rings constantly....However, I should note that you will be working alongside many Eastern Europeans who can be really clicky....

 

I should add, that if he has contacts from the past and family in a particuar area, that perhaps he should head in that direction as you can't beat having good contacts to get ahead.....

I take my hat off to him for making the bold move and 'good on him' for putting his kids education first

[7by7]

On ‎3‎/‎29‎/‎2019 at 11:02 AM, puchooay said:

What is considered "proof" of a salary of 18600? 

 

I have been in Thailand for a fair few years now. I have income in excess of the required amount but it is not paid into a UK bank and is not earned in UK, hence I also have no income tax statements from UK.

 

Do I consider going back to UK for a year and getting a job that pays in UK and is tax liable? Would one year do it? Say I have 1 year of tax returns and a guarantee of work for the next year?

 

Thanks

 

The requirement is detailed in the Financial requirement appendix.

 

Would you be continuing with your current employer on moving back to the UK? 

 

If yes, see 5.2. Category A: With current employer for 6 months or more – overseas sponsor returning to the UK.

 

If no and you will be seeking a new job once in the UK see 5.1. Category A: With current employer for 6 months or more –  person residing in the UK. Note, though, that you would need to be in that employment for at least 6 months before you would meet the requirement and your partner could apply to join you.

 

But if you had a confirmed job offer starting within three months of your arrival in the UK you would come under 5.4. Category B: Less than 6 months with current employer or variable income – overseas sponsor returning to the UK 

 

The appendix lists the evidence required depending on how you will be meeting the requirement. But see also Immigration Rules Appendix FM-SE: family members specified evidence

[wgdanson]

On 3/26/2019 at 3:55 AM, RichardColeman said:

just remember you cannot spend that money (62k)- not for first two years or so, as you will need to show it again later if you're not working

So not being able to spend any of the Bht 400k over here is easy!

Seems a bit daft not being allowed to spend if you are not working....what do you live off...benefits?

[7by7]

7 hours ago, wgdanson said:

On 3/25/2019 at 8:55 PM, RichardColeman said:

just remember you cannot spend that money (62k)- not for first two years or so, as you will need to show it again later if you're not working

So not being able to spend any of the Bht 400k over here is easy!

Seems a bit daft not being allowed to spend if you are not working....what do you live off...benefits?

 You actually can spend the money once in the UK.

 

As long as you can meet the financial requirement by other means for the FLR application after 30 months and again for the ILR application after a further 30 months.

 

Remember that, unlike the initial application, if the applicant is working then their income can be used for both those; alone or combined with the sponsor's income and/or savings to reduce the amount of each required..