18 minutes ago, JimmyJ said:

 

 

"Media Malpractice in covering Russiagate took several forms--getting in bed with intelligence agencies,reporting based on picking sides,wish fulfillment instead of skeptical investigation,profiteering from mass hysteria, & the demonization of skeptical voices"

- Katrina vandenHeuvel

Now it is "Media Malpractice" instead of fake news.  Funny thing about both terms, when asked to come up with specific examples of intentional false reporting, the MSM bashers either dodge the question or go silent.

 

You can't convict someone of robbery based on the opinion that he stills lots of stuff, you must identify a specific act.  The same standards apply when condemning media companies for unspecified bad reporting.

11 hours ago, Kelsall said:

SDNY takes orders from Barr.  You're aware of that, right?

 

10 hours ago, farcanell said:

Relevance? Are you suggesting Barr is or will obstruct justice?

SDNY takes their orders from Barr.  Barr determines SDNY priorities.  Here is one priority, just arrested.  Expect more of Trump's enemies to be brought to justice.

 

https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/pr/us-attorney-announces-arrest-michael-avenatti-engaging-scheme-extort-public-company

 

 

 

 

Edited March 25, 20197 yr by Scott

5 hours ago, heybruce said:

There are a lot of paranoid Trump fans calling for punishment of those that offended their snowflake President.  Please keep a few things in mind:

 

The Whitewater investigation went on twice as long, cost much more, ranged far more widely, and was based on far less than the Mueller investigation. 

 

If Trump hadn't wanted to subject himself to scrutiny, he shouldn't have run for President.

 

Russia made an unprecedented effort to interfere in the 2016 election.  Trump had past business dealings with Russia, was pursuing a major real estate deal while campaigning, his son-in-law suggested an illegal back channel for communicating with Russia to Russian embassy officials, Trump fired James Comey because of "that Russia thing", etc.  Of course Trump was investigated for possible collusion.

 

The Muller investigation has revealed some of the tactics Russia used, and will use again, to interfere with the 2016 investigation.  It also identified some of the tax cheats and treasonous opportunists Trump associates with.  It was definitely worthwhile for these reasons alone.

 

But cheer up; Trump is now in the clear.  Except for ongoing investigations for financial fraud, tax evasion, campaign finance violations, violations of the emoluments clause, and maybe a few other things.

Listen unless some guy from Russia comes into MY or my Grand ma’s or my neighbors VOTING booth in November 2020 ( just as they didn’t do in 2016) they have nothing to do with the average voter. Move on. 

Wow you say TRUMP is a snowflake? 

I remember when that word was banned from here lol.  YOU probably even reported it as well as that other one. 

1 hour ago, JimmyTheMook said:

 

Strap yourself in tight then wordsmith.

Coz you know the media and every delicate little entity 

is going to keep the pressure on our poor little rich boi.

 

Kind of summarises trump's behaviour during the Mueller investigation. I cannot comprehend why such a large minority still support him.

 

“Trump may not have ‘conspired’ or ‘coordinated’ with the Russian government, but he definitely welcomed its interference in the U.S. election (‘I love WikiLeaks’), lied to cover up the attack (‘It could be Russia. … It also could be somebody sitting on their bed that weighs 400 pounds’), and did his utmost to stymie investigations of Russia’s actions. Trump infamously preferred the false denials of Russian President Vladimir Putin over the accurate assessment of the U.S. intelligence community.”

 

IMO trump is unfit for the Office of the President of the USA. Hopefully he will be replaced by a respected person as an outcome of the 2020 elections, so the next US President can rightfully regain the title as the Leader of the Free World, 'cause right now trump definitely does not.

What corruption are you referring to?  Nothing came out of the Whitewater investigation other than the charge that Bill Clinton lied about receiving a BJ.

What corruption in the Whitewater scandal?

Your response answers my question.

Can you take a closer look at your eye glasses, it looks like you may have bought blue blockers by mistake and they are keeping you from seeing the corruption in your political leadership is both red.....& blue.

But, but Clintons...who were never found guilty after three investigations. Back on topic. trump has a long history of very questionable activities, which are now colessing with the numerous criminal investigations into his and family businesses. Personally I would be surprised if he manages to steer clear of money laundering for offshore entities. So far he has managed to steer clear of prison time by way of pouring god knows how much money into lawyers hands; one day hopefully it will all catch up with him.

Simple1,
Bruce introduced the topic of the Clintons and their own Whitewater scandal so your...”but, but the Clintons” is best directed to his post if your goal is accuracy.

Thanks

5 minutes ago, ShortTimed said:

 

Simple1,
Bruce introduced the topic of the Clintons and their own Whitewater scandal so your...”but, but the Clintons” is best directed to his post if your goal is accuracy.

Thanks

 

 

Pot kettle black

37 minutes ago, alex8912 said:

Listen unless some guy from Russia comes into MY or my Grand ma’s or my neighbors VOTING booth in November 2020 ( just as they didn’t do in 2016) they have nothing to do with the average voter. Move on. 

Wow you say TRUMP is a snowflake? 

I remember when that word was banned from here lol.  YOU probably even reported it as well as that other one. 

Russia has been manipulating, through bots and fake news, the social media that idiots think gives them accurate news, and many of these idiots voted.  Move on.

 

Trump is a thin-skinned germophobe who dodged the draft and is a meek toady to Putin when appearing with him, so yes, I think snowflake is a reasonable name for him.  Also, no, I never reported anyone for using the term.

38 minutes ago, ShortTimed said:

 

What corruption in the Whitewater scandal?

Your response answers my question.

Can you take a closer look at your eye glasses, it looks like you may have bought blue blockers by mistake and they are keeping you from seeing the corruption in your political leadership is both red.....& blue.

I see, the corruption that you imagine was there but can't identify.  Got it.

6 hours ago, heybruce said:

There are a lot of paranoid Trump fans calling for punishment of those that offended their snowflake President.  Please keep a few things in mind:

 

The Whitewater investigation went on twice as long, cost much more, ranged far more widely, and was based on far less than the Mueller investigation. 

 

If Trump hadn't wanted to subject himself to scrutiny, he shouldn't have run for President.

 

Russia made an unprecedented effort to interfere in the 2016 election.  Trump had past business dealings with Russia, was pursuing a major real estate deal while campaigning, his son-in-law suggested an illegal back channel for communicating with Russia to Russian embassy officials, Trump fired James Comey because of "that Russia thing", etc.  Of course Trump was investigated for possible collusion.

 

The Muller investigation has revealed some of the tactics Russia used, and will use again, to interfere with the 2016 investigation.  It also identified some of the tax cheats and treasonous opportunists Trump associates with.  It was definitely worthwhile for these reasons alone.

 

But cheer up; Trump is now in the clear.  Except for ongoing investigations for financial fraud, tax evasion, campaign finance violations, violations of the emoluments clause, and maybe a few other things.

 

35 minutes ago, ShortTimed said:

 

Simple1,
Bruce introduced the topic of the Clintons and their own Whitewater scandal so your...”but, but the Clintons” is best directed to his post if your goal is accuracy.

Thanks

 

As you can see, I very briefly mentioned the Whitewater investigation to give the Mueller investigation some perspective.

16 minutes ago, heybruce said:

Russia has been manipulating, through bots and fake news, the social media that idiots think gives them accurate news, and many of these idiots voted.  Move on.

 

Trump is a thin-skinned germophobe who dodged the draft and is a meek toady to Putin when appearing with him, so yes, I think snowflake is a reasonable name for him.  Also, no, I never reported anyone for using the term.

Oh did the Russians make “fake news” an English vernacular Uber popular phrase or someone else you don’t seem to like? You also think Russia manipulates everyone’s social media. They have not manipulated mine and obviously have yours. I won’t even get into who is thin skinned, it’s too apparent. 

In a few years those who take offense to some who dodged the draft ( over 50 years ago lol, to not fight in a war they were against) will not be amongst us.  Find something more recent to cry about. 

Oh yah. No “bots” have manipulated me or most others. That’s just another urban myth bud. Move on please. 

Lol being a germaphobe ( spelled correctly now) is your other complaint?  LMAO.

Edited March 25, 20197 yr by alex8912

29 minutes ago, alex8912 said:

Oh did the Russians make “fake news” an English vernacular Uber popular phrase or someone else you don’t seem to like? You also think Russia manipulates everyone’s social media. They have not manipulated mine and obviously have yours. I won’t even get into who is thin skinned, it’s too apparent. 

In a few years those who take offense to some who dodged the draft ( over 50 years ago lol, to not fight in a war they were against) will not be amongst us.  Find something more recent to cry about. 

Oh yah. No “bots” have manipulated me or most others. That’s just another urban myth bud. Move on please. 

Lol being a germaphobe ( spelled correctly now) is your other complaint?  LMAO.

Yes, Russia puts great effort into making fake news in the correct vernacular.  However when they are inventing stories some people want to believe, these people don't worry about vernacular.  Russia also planted these stories and used these bots in Facebook and Twitter, which is more than enough.

 

How do you know Russia hasn't manipulated "your" social media?  What social media to you have?  How do you know you haven't been manipulated by bots?  If you use social media in and attempt to stay informed, instead of reputable news sources, there's a good chance you've been manipulated.

Pot kettle black

Yes, now you’re getting up to speed.

You have just made the connection I was mentioning, the moral corruption that is so much a part of your US Politics is found in both Parties.

13 minutes ago, heybruce said:

Yes, Russia puts great effort into making fake news in the correct vernacular.  However when they are inventing stories some people want to believe, these people don't worry about vernacular.  Russia also planted these stories and used these bots in Facebook and Twitter, which is more than enough.

 

How do you know Russia hasn't manipulated "your" social media?  What social media to you have?  How do you know you haven't been manipulated by bots?  If you use social media in and attempt to stay informed, instead of reputable news sources, there's a good chance you've been manipulated.

I don’t use social media in an attempt to be informed of news. EVER! 

People who do read and speak English fluently pretty much need to use vernacular English or they would not understand it. Russia is not putting fake news out there to most people. Again it’s an urban myth. Are you reading the National Enquirer from the USA regularly?

vernacular: 

adjective

1. 1. 

   (of language) spoken as one's mother tongue; not learned or imposed as a second language.

Edited March 25, 20197 yr by alex8912

Mitch McConnell and Lyndsey Graham have vetoes a Senate vote on the publication of the mueller report.

 

 

Nothing to hide, nothing to fear!

 

 

 

7 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Mitch McConnell and Lyndsey Graham have vetoes a Senate vote on the publication of the mueller report.

 

 

Nothing to hide, nothing to fear!

 

 

 

Why would they have done that? trump said no problem - must have been the usual BS coming out of his mouth.

39 minutes ago, alex8912 said:

I don’t use social media in an attempt to be informed of news. EVER! 

People who do read and speak English fluently pretty much need to use vernacular English or they would not understand it. Russia is not putting fake news out there to most people. Again it’s an urban myth. Are you reading the National Enquirer from the USA regularly?

vernacular: 

adjective

1. 1. 

   (of language) spoken as one's mother tongue; not learned or imposed as a secondS

Social media posts were generally written, not spoken, and most English speakers understand and to not question properly written English.

 

You base a lot on your mistaken belief that Russian troll farms can't master  English sufficiently well to stir people up using social media:

 

"The Russian conspirators waging an ongoing disinformation and propaganda campaign targeting American voters directed their trolls on social media to call the late Senator John McCain of Arizona an “old geezer” and Special Counsel Robert Mueller “a puppet of the establishment.” President Donald Trump, the trolls were told to say, “deserves a Nobel Peace Prize” for meeting with the North Korean leader Kim Jong Un.

 

 

Those are just a few of the messages that Russian trolls were tasked with spreading on Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram between 2016 and 2018 to sow discord and influence U.S. elections, according to a criminal complaint unsealed on Friday."   https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/10/doj-says-russian-trolls-interfering-midterm-elections/573526/

 

"The charges took specific aim at the Internet Research Agency (IRA), a notorious Russian "troll factory" which focused on sowing political discord during the 2016 election by using internet bots to spread fake news and pro-Donald Trump propaganda on Facebook, Twitter, and other social media platforms."  https://www.businessinsider.com/russian-troll-farm-spent-millions-on-election-interference-2018-2

 

It's good that you don't rely on social media for news, but since you seem unaware of the above, I wonder where you do get your news.

Edited March 26, 20197 yr by heybruce

I don’t use social media in an attempt to be informed of news. EVER! 
People who do read and speak English fluently pretty much need to use vernacular English or they would not understand it. Russia is not putting fake news out there to most people. Again it’s an urban myth. Are you reading the National Enquirer from the USA regularly?
vernacular: 
adjective

1. 1.  (of language) spoken as one's mother tongue; not learned or imposed as a second language.

I agree with you.
The few examples that were in the Press, apparently the most damning examples that were discovered, were of such poor quality and appearance that any suggestion they may have swayed the American people is hard to believe. In fact, it would be embarrassing to an educated society.

Perhaps someone has found more recent examples and could post them so the discussion can be better informed.

Mitch McConnell and Lyndsey Graham have vetoes a Senate vote on the publication of the mueller report.
 
 
Nothing to hide, nothing to fear!
 

If there are criminal offenses then do you not believe that charges will be made?

Mueller has certainly fallen from grace in the Liberal community, eh?

Show us the report please not the synopsis by your appointee 

On 3/25/2019 at 9:24 AM, simple1 said:

What "false rumours"? I am referring to the establishment of the Mueller investigation triggered by the Australian intelligence report sent to US authorities from a meeting concerning a trump operative claims and the firing by trump.

And you believe that the intelligence services in Oz are above reproach? Please, stop taking the medicine!

5 minutes ago, ShortTimed said:

 

If there are criminal offenses then do you not believe that charges will be made?

Mueller has certainly fallen from grace in the Liberal community, eh?
 

 

Certainly being applauded by his Republican Party, though lots to be appreciated by the opposition due to follow ups by the Courts for criminal investigations into trump, family and his many corrupt associates - if it walks like a duck...

3 minutes ago, TPI said:

And you believe that the intelligence services in Oz are above reproach? Please, stop taking the medicine!

No, they have been caught out on a few occasions. BUT no one has accused, except by trump, the US intelligence agencies of lying regards the Russian interference.

Edited March 26, 20197 yr by simple1

Certainly being applauded by his Republican Party, though lots to be appreciated by the opposition due to follow ups by the Courts for criminal investigations into trump, family and his many corrupt associates - if it walks like a duck...

  

Well everybody in Washington walks like a duck...Lol

Some are just more successful at flying than others.

 

I don’t argue that the Mueller investigation has shot down one or two and winged a few others.

 

Bruce brought up the Whitewater Scandal. I just had to refresh my memory on that one but read so many of those who flew with the Clintons sure got shot down in that investigation. Yet Liberals swear that proves the Clintons were clean.

 

But there were many Americans who suffered actual financial losses as a result, that were actually targeted and conned out of savings by the Clinton group. It was predatory.

 

Even in the very best wet dream of the Liberals with the Mueller deal, any of Trumps actions would still have fallen short of all the hoopla around this Mueller Investigation. It was an overhyped story that at its best the ending would have left the reader feeling underwhelmed.

 

 

 

 

1 hour ago, simple1 said:

No, they have been caught out on a few occasions. BUT no one has accused, except by trump, the US intelligence agencies of lying regards the Russian interference.

Anything stated by the "Intelligence" Agencies in every country needs to be viewed skeptically and backed up by proof or else not taken seriously.

 

 

Edited March 26, 20197 yr by JimmyJ

The wacky dems are going to investigate Trump in for his second term. He can just sit back and relax. If the left wants to be taken seriously again it's time to drop the investigations and concentrate on the business at hand of running this great nation.

The respective chairs of six Congressional committees have just written to the DoJ (Barr) demanding complete copies of the Mueller report plus supporting evidence no later than April 2.

 

Nothing to hide, nothing to fear!

Show us the report what do you have to hide!

18 hours ago, alex8912 said:

You have your four pages. Maybe hold out for Pres Trumps tax return instead. 

Wonder what the next "big thing" is going to be. They were going all in for the "mentally unfit" angle before the report was published, but that seems to have died already.

I wonder what happened to all those women that were going to be the end of him? perhaps they will try resurrecting them. They've tried everything else without success, so might as well try them again.

For sure it's  in the Trump house.

3 minutes ago, ShortTimed said:

 

It was you that brought up Whitewater Scandal so it seems a poor excuse for you to now plead ignorance on the events and the players.

You seem so intent on arguing your point that you have a long habit of lumping all those who find fault with your logic as being Trump supporters, which also lacks any logic.

Please try and read my messages more thoroughly. I am not a Trump supporter. I do not like Trump as a person. I think he is of similar moral shortcomings as the Clintons (which you introduced in an earlier post to support your position). I think Trump is guilty of plenty of rotten things but I don’t think there was any need for him to collude with Putin. Putin had his own agenda to take down Hillary. He needed nothing from Trump and Trump needed nothing from Putin except to stand by and let the Putin machine do its thing.

Do I think Trump hoped to leverage his business interests in Russia? Ofcourse.

But my point all along has been that the Liberals placed such hope in this Mueller Investigation and even had their fantasies all come true, it was not going to be enough to take down Trump. And the downside risk was that Mueller would not find anything to nail Trump with and its what we have today—Liberals and MSM looking like they did after Trump beat Hillary in the election—disoriented & beaten.

 

But my point all along has been that the Liberals placed such hope in this Mueller Investigation and even had their fantasies all come true, it was not going to be enough to take down Trump. And the downside risk was that Mueller would not find anything to nail Trump with and its what we have today—Liberals and MSM looking like they did after Trump beat Hillary in the election—disoriented & beaten.

Oh so true