snoop1130 Posted April 2, 2019 Share Posted April 2, 2019 New Zealand ballots arrived too late for ‘the draw’, says election commissioner By Kas Chanwanpen The Nation Election Commission (EC) member Pakorn Mahannop said on Tuesday that the 1,500 or so ballots that arrived from New Zealand can be compared to raffle coupons that have arrived too late and cannot possibly be included in the draw. “You cannot ask us to count it after the process has already been completed,” the commissioner said in a lecture he was delivering to sub-committees investigating election cases on Tuesday. “That’s why we ruled that they could not be counted. It was not a question of them being valid or invalid.” The ballots from New Zealand that did not make it to their home constituencies in time to be counted along with other ballots has been salt in the wound for the agency. Already under fire for questionable effectiveness in holding the election, the EC was roasted further for its handling of the problem with the New Zealand ballots. The public has also been irritated by the unprecedented terms used to describe mishaps, such as “not invalid but uncountable” in the case of these ballots. Pakorn, however, said that the agency could not rule whether these ballots were voided or not, adding that people will always disagree and this can lead to the entire election being invalidated. Source: http://www.nationmultimedia.com/detail/breakingnews/30366991 -- © Copyright The Nation 2019-04-02 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post billd766 Posted April 2, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted April 2, 2019 Of course the votes should have been included. If they were in a diplomatic bag and still sealed they should have been counted. The4 EC should have been contact with the embassy in NZ asking where the bag was and why it wasn't collected earlier. As for describing the votes as raffle tickets he should have been censured on the spot and given 5 minutes to resign. No resignation after 5 minutes. Fired. But I suppose that he was only following orders from higher up the food chain. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post skills32 Posted April 2, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted April 2, 2019 14 minutes ago, billd766 said: Of course the votes should have been included. If they were in a diplomatic bag and still sealed they should have been counted. The4 EC should have been contact with the embassy in NZ asking where the bag was and why it wasn't collected earlier. As for describing the votes as raffle tickets he should have been censured on the spot and given 5 minutes to resign. No resignation after 5 minutes. Fired. But I suppose that he was only following orders from higher up the food chain. The airline notified the commission on sat evening that Thai had the votes for the election comm to pick up and this did not happen. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post sammieuk1 Posted April 2, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted April 2, 2019 As a rule of thumb if the vote ends up making a general PM its legit if not its void and can be applied to all discrepancy's ???? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie999 Posted April 2, 2019 Share Posted April 2, 2019 "The ballots from New Zealand that did not make it to their home constituencies in time to be counted ," so, whose fault then... let me guess... EU. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artisi Posted April 2, 2019 Share Posted April 2, 2019 (edited) 52 minutes ago, billd766 said: Of course the votes should have been included. If they were in a diplomatic bag and still sealed they should have been counted. The4 EC should have been contact with the embassy in NZ asking where the bag was and why it wasn't collected earlier. As for describing the votes as raffle tickets he should have been censured on the spot and given 5 minutes to resign. No resignation after 5 minutes. Fired. But I suppose that he was only following orders from higher up the food chain. Resign or be fired, solly - no do, face lot too mut. Edited April 2, 2019 by Artisi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scorecard Posted April 2, 2019 Share Posted April 2, 2019 (edited) 43 minutes ago, skills32 said: The airline notified the commission on sat evening that Thai had the votes for the election comm to pick up and this did not happen. That's nice but surely the point is that the EC / the foreign affairs ministry etc should have been very actively continuously monitoring where the diplomatic bags were and taking very prompt actions to get them urgently to their destination. The bag sitting at Thai and ignored is totally inexcusable no matter how you look at it. Another point, it was in a twitter feed yesterday morning that around 2 dozen bags forwarded to local polling centres didn't arrive, most because the address was wrong or totally confusing. How can so many (or any) of the bags have a wrong / totally confusing address. Stand up the EC fool in charge of this process and be fired and charged with dereliction. I wonder if the appropriate officials at each polling center were told to be expecting abga and a tracking number ow whatever. Is this did happen (and it should have happened then why didn't the local officials do something to find the bags? Edited April 2, 2019 by scorecard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkidlad Posted April 2, 2019 Share Posted April 2, 2019 would love to see those ballots. Wonder who the Thai expats in New Zealand mostly voted for? ???? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metisdead Posted April 2, 2019 Share Posted April 2, 2019 Troll posts have been removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pornprong Posted April 2, 2019 Share Posted April 2, 2019 18 minutes ago, rkidlad said: would love to see those ballots. Wonder who the Thai expats in New Zealand mostly voted for? ???? No need to wonder, there's only two possibilities: 1. Palang Pracharat 2. Spoiled ballot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bluespunk Posted April 2, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted April 2, 2019 2 hours ago, snoop1130 said: Pakorn, however, said that the agency could not rule whether these ballots were voided or not, Why? 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Cadbury Posted April 2, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted April 2, 2019 44 minutes ago, Bluespunk said: Why? Most were not in favour of the Palang Pracharat Party so they had to be voided. However many uncounted votes have now been found under the sofa of the Officers Mess and have been recognised as being official and are now being included in the count. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billd766 Posted April 2, 2019 Share Posted April 2, 2019 2 hours ago, rkidlad said: would love to see those ballots. Wonder who the Thai expats in New Zealand mostly voted for? ???? I have a fair idea who they didn't vote for, which could be a reason why they were ignored. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naboo Posted April 2, 2019 Share Posted April 2, 2019 4 hours ago, snoop1130 said: adding that people will always disagree and this can lead to the entire election being invalidated. A convenient get out of jail free card for someone there. We night need an election cancelled should there be an issue over these votes. Convenient. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChipButty Posted April 2, 2019 Share Posted April 2, 2019 1 hour ago, naboo said: A convenient get out of jail free card for someone there. We night need an election cancelled should there be an issue over these votes. Convenient. No, that would mean no beer again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chang_paarp Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 1500 votes would not make a huge difference one way or another to the result. However the grief it has caused due to the laziness of some EC staff far exceeds the importance of the 1500 votes. A smarter bureaucrat would have quietly collected them when they established that something had gone wrong and included them saying it is all in the name of democracy. The intransigence of the EC has not done anything to bolster the legitimacy of the result. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAG Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 9 hours ago, naboo said: A convenient get out of jail free card for someone there. We night need an election cancelled should there be an issue over these votes. Convenient. Yes, is an idea being floated, I wonder? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
natway09 Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 Let's clear this up. They arrived in plenty of time, the EC nominated courier forgot to pick them up 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oziex1 Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 The EC bringing unity to Thailand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulic Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 The headline needs to be changed. The ballots arrived on time. Incompetent EC officials just didn't bother to pick them up until after the poles were closed and the deadline had passed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post GinBoy2 Posted April 3, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted April 3, 2019 My wife, who did vote here in the United States, shrugged her shoulders with the comment; "Of course they excluded as many overseas votes as they thought they could could get away with. Since we can see and are free to make our own decisions" Wise woman my wife! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odysseus123 Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 21 minutes ago, GinBoy2 said: My wife, who did vote here in the United States, shrugged her shoulders with the comment; "Of course they excluded as many overseas votes as they thought they could could get away with. Since we can see and are free to make our own decisions" Wise woman my wife! "Wise woman my wife!" Very much so.. What was interesting here (Oz) was that there was a great deal of discussion about the election-then a lot of enthusiasm when a certain lady tossed her hat into the ring.. Then they all went silent-as if a door had been slammed shut. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GinBoy2 Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 14 minutes ago, Odysseus123 said: "Wise woman my wife!" Very much so.. What was interesting here (Oz) was that there was a great deal of discussion about the election-then a lot of enthusiasm when a certain lady tossed her hat into the ring.. Then they all went silent-as if a door had been slammed shut. They self censor, especially if they are only temporary residents overseas and plan to go home. They all know what happens to Thai's overseas who criticize the regime du jour The Thai lady in London is a case in point. She can never return to Thailand as it stands. Charged with 112, Computer crime, sedition, it goes on and on The very fact that in the expat community there was hilarity watching, he who is not the be mentioned, walking around a mall in Munich in a crop top, yet everything was blocked in Thailand tells you a lot. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fex Bluse Posted April 3, 2019 Share Posted April 3, 2019 On 4/2/2019 at 5:33 PM, snoop1130 said: The ballots from New Zealand that did not make it to their home constituencies in time to be counted along with other ballots has been salt in the wound for the agency. Of course, who knows what the real reason is. We now have confirmation (as if any were needed) of the "Good People's" view on foreign ideas. "In a strong statement, the Army commander denounced foreign-educated individuals for bringing their extreme leftist ideology" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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