Thai Immigration check Bangkok

[gunderhill]

30 minutes ago, Psimbo said:

I suggest you should examine why one needs to use such a word.

I examined it and found out it made more sense to notify  them only when you change address  permanently not go out of town for 1  night then try to get screwed for 2k baht, its a  ridiculous  rule like  telling someone today you didnt shoot  your Wife.

[JackThompson]

16 minutes ago, lkv said:

Who said I wanted to live in that police state?

 

I'm sure many Americans that came to Asia did it partly to escape the police state, only to find themselves in another one currently.

 

And yes, you are right, the same logic in my first post is being used by Americans as an excuse to infringe on liberties.

Except for immigration, Thailand is still not nearly as bad as the USA in the "police state" aspect.  And if you can avoid bad offices and lawless entry points, immigration here isn't too bad.  I have experienced smiles and friendly small-talk at good entry points - both on Tourist Visas and a Non-O.

[lkv]

25 minutes ago, JackThompson said:

Except for immigration, Thailand is still not nearly as bad as the USA in the "police state" aspect.  And if you can avoid bad offices and lawless entry points, immigration here isn't too bad.  I have experienced smiles and friendly small-talk at good entry points - both on Tourist Visas and a Non-O.

My problem was not entirely Immigration. Because if that was the only issue, and everything else was fantastic, I would have bought Elite, because I would have seen the value in it, i.e. having a smooth happy life.

 

My issue is that it's turning into a police state. And as another poster has stated, these stunts will have consequences. And a worrying one is how Thai people will perceive foreigners (as criminals), because of the non stop anti foreigner propaganda. And then the smiles will vanish.

 

Of course, in more remote points of the country, they will still smile a bit. 

Edited April 5, 2019 by lkv

[JackThompson]

1 minute ago, lkv said:

And a worrying one is how Thai people perceive foreigners because of the non stop anti foreigner propaganda. And then the smiles will vanish.

Yes, that part is a concern - but it depends on what percentage of Thais buy the propaganda. 

 

In remote areas, you are more of an "individual" than a "group," so you actually have a "name" rather than a label.   Things could decline in larger cities, where more interactions are anonymous - if the general populace buys the BS.  

 

Tourist areas are likely to remain friendly, since Thais there have more one-on-one interactions with Westerners, and deeply resent immigration pointlessly-destroying their livelihoods and "replacing" us with hordes of "cheap" tour-bus foreigners, whom they do not particularly like.

[asiaexpat]

8 hours ago, OKF said:

TM30 has to be filed by the landlord. If the owner of the condo is a farang the farang does not need to file TM30. Just have copy/phote of passport, TM6 and chanote on your phone to show

This is not correct. All owners/landlords are required to submit a TM 30 if a foreigner stays in their property. "Farangs" are not exempt, just ignorant of the law.

[Prissana Pescud]

21 hours ago, lkv said:

"If you have done nothing wrong, you should not be concerned"

 

"It's normal, they are just trying to keep the good guys in and get the bad guys out"

 

"It's because of the bad guys that we, the good guys have to suffer"

 

will say the Thai apologists.

That is not correct. If you have gone through the correct procedure and have a few copies of those procedures, you will not be hassled.

You can also alert the landlord that you are presenting yourself to IO and I am sure they will report correctly to immigration.

As in any country, aliens need to comply with the immigration laws. Thailand is no different.

The way they do it means they do not have to build walls as other silly countries do

[lkv]

9 minutes ago, Prissana Pescud said:

That is not correct. If you have gone through the correct procedure and have a few copies of those procedures, you will not be hassled.

You can also alert the landlord that you are presenting yourself to IO and I am sure they will report correctly to immigration.

As in any country, aliens need to comply with the immigration laws. Thailand is no different.

The way they do it means they do not have to build walls as other silly countries do

Let me remind you that this thread was about Immigration hassling people for passports and TM30's at the lobby of a condominium in Bangkok.

[Prissana Pescud]

5 minutes ago, lkv said:

Let me remind you that this thread was about Immigration hassling people for passports and TM30's at the lobby of a condominium in Bangkok.

True but if you checked my post you would avoid the hassle. ie tell the landlord you will report to immigration next day to make sure you have complied.

You can be sure that the landlord will report you correctly. If you have all your documentation and copies, it will not you being harassed.

 You did not state how many aliens were found to have failed the immigration laws and arrested. Someone "dobbed" you condo in.

 

[lkv]

15 minutes ago, Prissana Pescud said:

True but if you checked my post you would avoid the hassle. ie tell the landlord you will report to immigration next day to make sure you have complied.

You can be sure that the landlord will report you correctly. If you have all your documentation and copies, it will not you being harassed.

 You did not state how many aliens were found to have failed the immigration laws and arrested. Someone "dobbed" you condo in.

 

You're missing the point.

 

A. It was not my condo.

 

B. It does not matter how many "aliens" were arrested, we foreigners generally don't like being hassled in our condo lobbies to see if we comply or not. I'm not sure if you are Thai, but if you enjoy being hassled it must be a cultural thing. 

Edited April 5, 2019 by lkv

[sotonowl]

10 hours ago, Jim7777 said:

That’s all true but I sure am very glad that I don’t live in Bangkok or in that area.  Up here where I live the cops don’t bother anyone ever and I’ve been here for almost 5 years now.  Unless you’re out doing something seriously stupid they tend to leave you alone up here.  I’ve never had a visit from the cops ever.  

 

Although I do recall one incident about 4 years ago when I saw the cops at my neighbor’s house who’s from the UK, I think they were paying him a visit because he was seriously late on his 90 day reporting or something but he still lives there and seems to be doing okay as far as I can tell.  Well at the time I had been reading about the police checking up on foreigners a lot and I was still pretty new actually living in Thailand at the time.  So I automatically thought that it was some sort of routine check so I immediately went outside voluntarily with my passport in hand and all my Immigration paperwork, and I approached the cops and was trying to show them.  

 

Turned out that they had no intention of visiting me at all but they looked at my passport anyway because I offered voluntarily.  I thought they were checking on foreigners.  Then the cops told me that they were just there reminding my next door neighbor to stop by Immigration to report or something.  So it turned into a friendly conversation with the two cops and they seemed impressed when they asked about my background and my wife told them that I’m retired military and a little bit about me.  They actually saluted me which I guess is a common curtesy custom here even when anyone walks into the mall the guy opening the door salutes everyone.  But that was the last time I ever saw the cops visiting anyone on my street and there has never been any routine checks on foreigners around here that I know of.  Although there are only a few foreigners on my street.  

 

I’ve never had a visit we live in a house in a normal neighborhood not fancy but nice good enough for me anyway.  There’s never any crime in our neighborhood although we did have one incident a few years ago that caused me to install surveillance cameras all over my house in my front yard, outside my front gate with a view of the road outside and one camera downstairs that sees anyone entering the front door.  I had a few cameras before the incident but we had one day where someone poisoned a litter of puppies that I was talking care of and looking for homes for them.  Whoever did got away with it but with the surveillance camera system I have now including it’s infrared night vision no one would ever get away with anything like that on my street ever again unless the power goes out.  I have all points of entry into my property covered by surveillance cameras and inside by the front door downstairs and all the windows covered as well by video and I have my street outside my front gate covered by a few surveillance cameras one camera that can be easily seen and one that’s hidden.  The video cameras all feed the video to my iPhone and they record everything 24/7 to a memory card in my laptop computer.  I never called the cops about the puppies because I had no proof of who did it even though I think I know who did it but I can’t make accusations without proof and everyone else in my neighborhood has a pretty good idea who it was as well.  I know none of my neighbors would’ve ever done anything like that, we all are pretty sure it was a particular maintenance guy around here who doesn’t like all of the stray dogs.  I wish I could have caught him doing it actually he probably never would’ve done it if I had the surveillance system back then that I have now it’s also a good deterrent when most of my cameras can be seen.  My neighbors have actually told me that they appreciate the cameras because a few of them have views of our whole street which provides security for most of my neighbors as well, I just make sure that my cameras can only view the street and not inside anyone’s house or yard so that I’m not violating anyone’s privacy but no one has expressed any concern to me about that.  We also have a school on our neighborhood street as well and they also have a good video surveillance camera system including the street outside so I’m not the only one.  

 

Anyway other than that I might see the cops patrolling around my neighborhood and on my street once in a while but very rarely and whenever I do see the cops around my neighborhood they just smile and waive or just ignore me and go on about their business.  They never mess with anyone unless they are doing something blatantly stupid.  

 

One of my wife’s sisters did get a DUI once I remember because I helped bail her out of jail for 12,000 Baht but she was like passing out drunk really bad.  Although that’s a really sad story because that year my wife’s sister that sister she has 3 sisters had just lost her 20 year old daughter in a motorcycle accident.  That was also about 2 or 3 years ago.  Alcohol had nothing to do with the motorcycle accident it was just a freak occurrence my wife’s sister’s daughter was a passenger riding on the back of the motorcycle and her and the driver were both killed.  So after that my wife’s sister fell into a deep depression and started drinking heavily which was why the judge went really easy on her in court the next morning after the DUI, and it was her first offense.  Ever since that incident the whole family has really been more supportive of her and got her help and so far she’s been doing okay and no more drinking.  I wasn’t there but I assume that she probably got stopped at a police checkpoint on the highway somewhere because the cops don’t usually follow and pull anyone over around here.  In fact I’ve never seen the cops pull anyone over anywhere in Thailand except for at their checkpoints only not like they do in the United States.  

 

That’s one of the things I like particularly where I live in Thailand up in the north eastern area is the cops normally leave you alone unless you’re blatantly doing something wrong and being obvious about it.  Although I have no doubt that if I were to ever overstay my extension for example that they would eventually come looking for me because my address is properly registered with my local immigration office but obviously I’d never do that.  I always renew my extension at least 30 days early or as early as they let me do it every year.  My local immigration office here is pretty good and easy to work with as well but it’s a small immigration office and they are never really that busy.  I’ve been to the immigration office in Bangkok before and there’s a huge difference between mine and the big cities the immigration office in Bangkok is huge and always very busy, but up here in this smaller city we have a really small immigration office and whenever I visit them there are never that many people.  The busiest I’ve ever seen them they may have had 20 people in the room at the most but usually less than 10 max.  Whenever I go to report there’s never more than 5 people waiting in line.  It’s nice living in a city like I do because it’s smaller but not to small there’s still a lot to do around here but it’s no where near like Bangkok.  Although Bangkok is a nice place to visit once in a while it’s a 5 hour drive south of where I live.  

 

I don’t like to advertise where exactly I live but it’s a decent size city in the north eastern district and it really is nice here.  We live in the city but the country and rural areas are only a short trip outside the city in fact the whole city is surrounded by rural areas.  And there are also really nice lakes nearby where you can swim and just all sorts of stuff to do for a lot cheaper than Bangkok.  The cost of living is a lot cheaper up here as well from what I’ve heard, for me it’s just perfect we’re really happy here and my wife’s family lives just next door which can be helpful sometimes.  I don’t think I’d want to live anywhere else in Thailand this area is perfect especially when I read stories like this usually from the Bangkok area.  Other than the incident with the puppies we’ve never had a problem.  Although I do take security very seriously with the cameras some people might think it’s a little too much but no one could ever do anything like that ever again and get away with it unless they do it during a power outage and we don’t get very many outages.  Every once in a while maybe a few times a year a squirrel might bite a power line and sometimes we’ll get a power outage but it usually never lasts more than an hour, they’re usually pretty fast about fixing it when it does happen rarely.  And the cops around here just do their job and leave normal people alone.  

You missed out the bit about the buffalo.????????

[sotonowl]

10 hours ago, Jim7777 said:

That’s all true but I sure am very glad that I don’t live in Bangkok or in that area.  Up here where I live the cops don’t bother anyone ever and I’ve been here for almost 5 years now.  Unless you’re out doing something seriously stupid they tend to leave you alone up here.  I’ve never had a visit from the cops ever.  

 

Although I do recall one incident about 4 years ago when I saw the cops at my neighbor’s house who’s from the UK, I think they were paying him a visit because he was seriously late on his 90 day reporting or something but he still lives there and seems to be doing okay as far as I can tell.  Well at the time I had been reading about the police checking up on foreigners a lot and I was still pretty new actually living in Thailand at the time.  So I automatically thought that it was some sort of routine check so I immediately went outside voluntarily with my passport in hand and all my Immigration paperwork, and I approached the cops and was trying to show them.  

 

Turned out that they had no intention of visiting me at all but they looked at my passport anyway because I offered voluntarily.  I thought they were checking on foreigners.  Then the cops told me that they were just there reminding my next door neighbor to stop by Immigration to report or something.  So it turned into a friendly conversation with the two cops and they seemed impressed when they asked about my background and my wife told them that I’m retired military and a little bit about me.  They actually saluted me which I guess is a common curtesy custom here even when anyone walks into the mall the guy opening the door salutes everyone.  But that was the last time I ever saw the cops visiting anyone on my street and there has never been any routine checks on foreigners around here that I know of.  Although there are only a few foreigners on my street.  

 

I’ve never had a visit we live in a house in a normal neighborhood not fancy but nice good enough for me anyway.  There’s never any crime in our neighborhood although we did have one incident a few years ago that caused me to install surveillance cameras all over my house in my front yard, outside my front gate with a view of the road outside and one camera downstairs that sees anyone entering the front door.  I had a few cameras before the incident but we had one day where someone poisoned a litter of puppies that I was talking care of and looking for homes for them.  Whoever did got away with it but with the surveillance camera system I have now including it’s infrared night vision no one would ever get away with anything like that on my street ever again unless the power goes out.  I have all points of entry into my property covered by surveillance cameras and inside by the front door downstairs and all the windows covered as well by video and I have my street outside my front gate covered by a few surveillance cameras one camera that can be easily seen and one that’s hidden.  The video cameras all feed the video to my iPhone and they record everything 24/7 to a memory card in my laptop computer.  I never called the cops about the puppies because I had no proof of who did it even though I think I know who did it but I can’t make accusations without proof and everyone else in my neighborhood has a pretty good idea who it was as well.  I know none of my neighbors would’ve ever done anything like that, we all are pretty sure it was a particular maintenance guy around here who doesn’t like all of the stray dogs.  I wish I could have caught him doing it actually he probably never would’ve done it if I had the surveillance system back then that I have now it’s also a good deterrent when most of my cameras can be seen.  My neighbors have actually told me that they appreciate the cameras because a few of them have views of our whole street which provides security for most of my neighbors as well, I just make sure that my cameras can only view the street and not inside anyone’s house or yard so that I’m not violating anyone’s privacy but no one has expressed any concern to me about that.  We also have a school on our neighborhood street as well and they also have a good video surveillance camera system including the street outside so I’m not the only one.  

 

Anyway other than that I might see the cops patrolling around my neighborhood and on my street once in a while but very rarely and whenever I do see the cops around my neighborhood they just smile and waive or just ignore me and go on about their business.  They never mess with anyone unless they are doing something blatantly stupid.  

 

One of my wife’s sisters did get a DUI once I remember because I helped bail her out of jail for 12,000 Baht but she was like passing out drunk really bad.  Although that’s a really sad story because that year my wife’s sister that sister she has 3 sisters had just lost her 20 year old daughter in a motorcycle accident.  That was also about 2 or 3 years ago.  Alcohol had nothing to do with the motorcycle accident it was just a freak occurrence my wife’s sister’s daughter was a passenger riding on the back of the motorcycle and her and the driver were both killed.  So after that my wife’s sister fell into a deep depression and started drinking heavily which was why the judge went really easy on her in court the next morning after the DUI, and it was her first offense.  Ever since that incident the whole family has really been more supportive of her and got her help and so far she’s been doing okay and no more drinking.  I wasn’t there but I assume that she probably got stopped at a police checkpoint on the highway somewhere because the cops don’t usually follow and pull anyone over around here.  In fact I’ve never seen the cops pull anyone over anywhere in Thailand except for at their checkpoints only not like they do in the United States.  

 

That’s one of the things I like particularly where I live in Thailand up in the north eastern area is the cops normally leave you alone unless you’re blatantly doing something wrong and being obvious about it.  Although I have no doubt that if I were to ever overstay my extension for example that they would eventually come looking for me because my address is properly registered with my local immigration office but obviously I’d never do that.  I always renew my extension at least 30 days early or as early as they let me do it every year.  My local immigration office here is pretty good and easy to work with as well but it’s a small immigration office and they are never really that busy.  I’ve been to the immigration office in Bangkok before and there’s a huge difference between mine and the big cities the immigration office in Bangkok is huge and always very busy, but up here in this smaller city we have a really small immigration office and whenever I visit them there are never that many people.  The busiest I’ve ever seen them they may have had 20 people in the room at the most but usually less than 10 max.  Whenever I go to report there’s never more than 5 people waiting in line.  It’s nice living in a city like I do because it’s smaller but not to small there’s still a lot to do around here but it’s no where near like Bangkok.  Although Bangkok is a nice place to visit once in a while it’s a 5 hour drive south of where I live.  

 

I don’t like to advertise where exactly I live but it’s a decent size city in the north eastern district and it really is nice here.  We live in the city but the country and rural areas are only a short trip outside the city in fact the whole city is surrounded by rural areas.  And there are also really nice lakes nearby where you can swim and just all sorts of stuff to do for a lot cheaper than Bangkok.  The cost of living is a lot cheaper up here as well from what I’ve heard, for me it’s just perfect we’re really happy here and my wife’s family lives just next door which can be helpful sometimes.  I don’t think I’d want to live anywhere else in Thailand this area is perfect especially when I read stories like this usually from the Bangkok area.  Other than the incident with the puppies we’ve never had a problem.  Although I do take security very seriously with the cameras some people might think it’s a little too much but no one could ever do anything like that ever again and get away with it unless they do it during a power outage and we don’t get very many outages.  Every once in a while maybe a few times a year a squirrel might bite a power line and sometimes we’ll get a power outage but it usually never lasts more than an hour, they’re usually pretty fast about fixing it when it does happen rarely.  And the cops around here just do their job and leave normal people alone.  

Buriram?

[LongTang]

21 hours ago, ubonjoe said:

If you did a TM30 report yourself you would have a receipt for it. In reality it should be the owner or the management of your residence responsibility.

 

No

At the most you could be fined 2000 baht.

 

So is it totally Ok for you to submit the TM30 "on behalf" of your landlord?

It seems like a risky thing to do without a signed document from the landlord himself allowing you to report on his behalf And a formal approval of such a procedure by immigration.

Edited April 5, 2019 by LongTang

[gunderhill]

2 hours ago, Prissana Pescud said:

it will not you being harassed.

So you haven't seen the threads  where extensions of stay are denied as the landlord didn't do this and the fine was  passed  on to the tenant?  No pay no extension.

[LongTang]

1 hour ago, Date Masamune said:

Please provide an example if you know of any law abiding people, even "dark skinned foreigners",  who have been negatively affected by Immigration checks?

Over stay, working illegally, drive them out. Illegal Hotels/BnB, not reporting Aliens. Fine them heavily.

There would be no cause for crackdowns if people would just follow the rules.

Its very simple really, People will be less likely to rent to foreigners as the risk involved will not be worth it. (imagine the landlord has to report to immigration every time the foreigner goes out of the country and back in, And if you as the landlord do not even know that your tenant left and came back, and what if he does it often..).

The net effect will be that the costs of rent will go Way Up, the headache for both sides will increase, the country will be generally less attractive, and everybody will loose.

[elgenon]

Why is it a "witch" hunt?  

[brewsterbudgen]

It isn't very clear from this thread about what happens to those foreigners without a TM30 (or for that matter 90-day) receipt.  Are they fined on the spot?  If they can't or don't pay, are they arrested? Or are they just warned to get it regularised at Immigration?

 

As the overwhelming majority of long-term Extension holders who use Chaengwattana, have never had to do their own TM30 reporting, or been asked about it at Immigration, they must be raking in a lot of cash from these raids.

[jacko45k]

23 hours ago, Yeahbutwhytho said:

And then I imagine they provide you with a TM receipt after the fine so you don't get fined twice by going to immigration and asking for one 

Are you presuming that paying a fine for not doing a TM30, is also the same as submitting a TM30? I expect you should get the bottom part to keep in your passport by actually doing a submittal! Keep the fine receipt just in case they want to hit you up again.

[jacko45k]

3 minutes ago, brewsterbudgen said:

It isn't very clear from this thread about what happens to those foreigners without a TM30 (or for that matter 90-day) receipt.  Are they fined on the spot?  If they can't or don't pay, are they arrested? Or are they just warned to get it regularised at Immigration?

If the person still has a valid permission to stay there is no reason to be arrested. Usually they are found to be delinquent when they attend immigration for some purpose (extending a permission to stay), and required to resolve that, and pay the fine there, before they can get on with their original purpose. 

[humbug]

1 hour ago, Date Masamune said:

Please provide an example if you know of any law abiding people, even "dark skinned foreigners",  who have been negatively affected by Immigration checks?

Over stay, working illegally, drive them out. Illegal Hotels/BnB, not reporting Aliens. Fine them heavily.

There would be no cause for crackdowns if people would just follow the rules.

a strange post deflecting attention away from the nationalists and trying to blame everyone else, but then again some of us dont have bedroom walls plastered with nazi memorabilia and pictures of the chuckle 'p' brothers

[JackThompson]

6 minutes ago, brewsterbudgen said:

As the overwhelming majority of long-term Extension holders who use Chaengwattana, have never had to do their own TM30 reporting, or been asked about it at Immigration, they must be raking in a lot of cash from these raids.

This is the disgusting part - they are going after "the foreigners" for something Their Own Policies Created!!  CW had no interest at all in TM-30s until very recently.

 

All they had to do was require TM-30s at immigration, as was done in some other offices.  If they wanted to be decent about it - no fines for the first time a foreigner must submit one - since they were told "It Is Not Needed" up to that point in time.

[JackThompson]

14 minutes ago, elgenon said:

Why is it a "witch" hunt?  

Because those being harassed have done nothing wrong, and are not a threat.  The foreigners were following the instructions given by Immigration at Chang Wattana up until the last couple weeks or so, when they suddenly began requesting TM-30s - having always refused them before.

[brewsterbudgen]

2 minutes ago, JackThompson said:

Because those being harassed have done nothing wrong, and are not a threat.  The foreigners were following the instructions given by Immigration at Chang Wattana up until the last couple weeks or so, when they suddenly began requesting TM-30s - having always refused them before.

Indeed.  I'd still like to know exactly what is happening to the presumingly, many foreigners without TM30 receipts who are discovered in one of these condo "raids".  

[elgenon]

9 minutes ago, JackThompson said:

Because those being harassed have done nothing wrong, and are not a threat.  The foreigners were following the instructions given by Immigration at Chang Wattana up until the last couple weeks or so, when they suddenly began requesting TM-30s - having always refused them before.

So they are going after people who have not complied with new request?

[brewsterbudgen]

1 minute ago, elgenon said:

So they are going after people who have not complied with new request?

No one knows.  The reporting is very sketchy to say the least.  Possibly scaremongering?

[freedomnow]

Someone promote BJ asap, guy is a frikin' headache. Just more and more beurocrap to trip people up for their photo ops...

 

TM28/TM30s were not really enforced in BKK as far as I read vs Chiang Mai where it's a nice little earner..as they can now also trip you up for not going in on a Saturday if you arrive late on Friday even though their officially published opening times per google are Monday-Friday...and when I went in on a weekend they said "Come in on Monday to update TM30" ..but then read they tried to extract 1900 Baht from someone for not going in on Saturday on the Monday morning after that.

Their entire inconsistency could be right out a Monty Python sketch.

Edited April 6, 2019 by freedomnow

[Date Masamune]

Someone is telling lies the fine in Chiang Mai is 1600 baht and they honor a 7 day grace period for 24 hour reporting of TM30. It is now no big deal.

 

[Yeahbutwhytho]

1 hour ago, jacko45k said:

Are you presuming that paying a fine for not doing a TM30, is also the same as submitting a TM30? I expect you should get the bottom part to keep in your passport by actually doing a submittal! Keep the fine receipt just in case they want to hit you up again.

Well the fine would not be on me by law anyway, it's on the condo owner. What I was worried about is the sudden 'foreigner being fined when they're too lazy to chase the owner' we were hearing on the forums.

[jacko45k]

3 minutes ago, Yeahbutwhytho said:

Well the fine would not be on me by law anyway, it's on the condo owner. What I was worried about is the sudden 'foreigner being fined when they're too lazy to chase the owner' we were hearing on the forums.

If you are renting, you could be classified as 'The Possessor' and be liable for the fine and there certainly have been such cases. The owner would not likely want to attend immigration to be fined and nagged!

[Yeahbutwhytho]

6 minutes ago, jacko45k said:

If you are renting, you could be classified as 'The Possessor' and be liable for the fine and there certainly have been such cases. The owner would not likely want to attend immigration to be fined and nagged!

Pfft, classified as 'The Possessor' - please find evidence that if you are renting you will be classified as anything requiring you to pay the fine. Its hilarious you are trying to find a legal clause to this when the obvious fact is that there is none, its that they're lazy and don't want to chase the owner. Thats it full stop, you don't even have to agree to pay the fine - the punishment is.... they won't do any work for you in immigration thats it
 

Lots of armchair lawyers up in here

[sumrit]

41 minutes ago, Yeahbutwhytho said:

Pfft, classified as 'The Possessor' - please find evidence that if you are renting you will be classified as anything requiring you to pay the fine. Its hilarious you are trying to find a legal clause to this when the obvious fact is that there is none, its that they're lazy and don't want to chase the owner. Thats it full stop, you don't even have to agree to pay the fine - the punishment is.... they won't do any work for you in immigration thats it
 

Lots of armchair lawyers up in here

Section 38 of the Thai Immigration Act 1979 states: 

 

THAI IMMIGRATION ACT 1979

Section 38 :

The possessor of the residence , or the hotel manager where the alien, receiving permission to stay temporary in the Kingdom has stayed , must notify the competent official of the Immigration Office located in the same area with that hours , dwelling place or hotel, within 24 hours from the time of arrival of the alien concerned. If there is no Immigration Office located in that area, the local police official for that area must be notified.

 

 

house – master , the owner or the

Section 77 :

Whoever fails to comply with the provision of Section 38, shall be punished with a fine not exceeding 2,000 Baht. If said person is a hotel manager, he shall be punished with a fine from 2,000 Baht to 10,000 Baht.

 

 

A person living a property is classed as the POSSESSOR

 

 

Edited April 6, 2019 by sumrit