Do you believe in God and why

[Hummin]

13 minutes ago, mauGR1 said:

Lol, thanks for the intellectual honesty, yes, you are right, and i was in fact suspecting that, despite living on the same planet, we belong to different universes.

If it makes sense to you, but i think not ????

I know my logical senses is good (proved and approved), and I believe I'm not one of the most stupid living creatures on this planet, and I also do have quite a Colourful imagination and fantasy, but, well I will leave it with that, and if someone believe they got it, that's okay for me! 

[mauGR1]

1 minute ago, Hummin said:

I know my logical senses is good (proved and approved), and I believe I'm not one of the most stupid living creatures on this planet, and I also do have quite a Colourful imagination and fantasy, but, well I will leave it with that, and if someone believe they got it, that's okay for me! 

It's not about being stupid or not. 

People considered stupid can be quite advanced spiritually.

 

Perhaps it's "faith in the power of imagination ".

After all the apparent solidity of the matter is just energy in motion, and no one can deny that thoughts are energy. 

[Hummin]

4 minutes ago, mauGR1 said:

It's not about being stupid or not. 

People considered stupid can be quite advanced spiritually.

 

Perhaps it's "faith in the power of imagination ".

After all the apparent solidity of the matter is just energy in motion, and no one can deny that thoughts are energy. 

God sake, our brain is the organ that consume most energy to function, and even more when it is under pressure.

 

I have read numerous of articles concerning our brain, and its functioning.

 

Random google search shows alot of science on excact that

 

 

https://news.weill.cornell.edu/news/2021/12/brain-drain-scientists-explain-why-neurons-consume-so-much-fuel-even-when-at-rest

[mauGR1]

2 minutes ago, Hummin said:

God sake, our brain is the organ that consume most energy to function, and even more when it is under pressure.

 

I have read numerous of articles concerning our brain, and its functioning.

 

Random google search shows alot of science on excact that

 

 

https://news.weill.cornell.edu/news/2021/12/brain-drain-scientists-explain-why-neurons-consume-so-much-fuel-even-when-at-rest

That has exactly nothing to do with what we were talking about.

Interesting, yes, but we're not talking about physical organs here.

I compare the brain to a computer, the computer needs an operator, right ?

 

[Hummin]

Just now, mauGR1 said:

That has exactly nothing to do with what we were talking about.

Interesting, yes, but we're not talking about physical organs here.

I compare the brain to a computer, the computer needs an operator, right ?

 

 Energy needs a source and a reciever or transmitter  Thoughts, our thoughts is received, created and transmitted in our organ called brain? Right

[mauGR1]

1 minute ago, Hummin said:

 Energy needs a source and a reciever or transmitter  Thoughts, our thoughts is received, created and transmitted in our organ called brain? Right

Receiving and transmitting is not creating.

Thought is created by various sources, and it's in theory possible to trace every one of those sources....even it could be said that everything is created by the great spirit ( God)

 

 

[Hummin]

2 minutes ago, mauGR1 said:

Receiving and transmitting is not creating.

Thought is created by various sources, and it's in theory possible to trace every one of those sources....even it could be said that everything is created by the great spirit ( God)

 

 

That would be impressive, and again reminds me of a complicated video game with random options with random outcomes! 
 

I think I stick to my own illusion of orign and life. A nice combination of extended science based , approved science to be correct. 
 

Nothing wrong with the trace of history in our dna, and its possibilities of evolution and I can accept an creator, because we as well can create and modify life and lifeforms, as well infest other planets with life. 
 

May I ask if you ever tried drugs to find your belief, or and even gifted with some kind of exceptional level of extra energy, which we unfortunate have in many cases been misplaced abused, generalized and in to many cases given drugs, so they can cope with the structured reality we now live in, and killed their spirits. 
 

There is a fine fine balance being creative and very gifted to being lunatic and crazy. Maybe many become crazy because there is no room for such in our so-called reality.

 

I know, I have tasted the edges but been lucky to escape the meds even that was the very first offer they had to give before anything else was tried. 
 

I find myself lucky to manage both sides of the brilliant crazy dimension that can be if I let it, but also rooted in the reality we have to cope with. 
 

It is a crazy world out there, and sometimes, it could be nice to accept, nothing of what you see is real, and it is just another test. But unfortunate it is the nature of all of it. Desperate fight for being the fittest to survive, even for most of us, we are just passengers from one end to another end.

 

Its a fine fine line between being genious and crazy in all ways around it. But you and we can choose, right? 
 

 

[mauGR1]

4 minutes ago, Hummin said:

May I ask if you ever tried drugs to find your belief, or and even gifted with some kind of exceptional level of extra energy, which we unfortunate have in many cases been misplaced abused, generalized and in to many cases given drugs, so they can cope with the structured reality we now live in, and killed their spirits. 

I tried psychedelic substances in my youth, and I've been pretty lucky and happy.

That said, i know exactly what you mean about being on the edge between sanity and insanity. 

I regard that now as a precious experience, but it was scary.

It's difficult to define insanity, many people look very normal, then one day they wake up and they explode.. others can be quietly sad their entire life...

Also, there's undoubtedly a relation between genius and insanity, one could write entire books..

To answer your question again, I've been studying different beliefs/religions/philosophy for many years. 

Now, for example, if Jesus says something, and Buddha says the same, and the animist American Indians say the same, i assume it to be true.

So, of course i am aware that my beliefs are debatable, and i regard " logic" as one best friend. 

[Hummin]

18 minutes ago, mauGR1 said:

I tried psychedelic substances in my youth, and I've been pretty lucky and happy.

That said, i know exactly what you mean about being on the edge between sanity and insanity. 

I regard that now as a precious experience, but it was scary.

It's difficult to define insanity, many people look very normal, then one day they wake up and they explode.. others can be quietly sad their entire life...

Also, there's undoubtedly a relation between genius and insanity, one could write entire books..

To answer your question again, I've been studying different beliefs/religions/philosophy for many years. 

Now, for example, if Jesus says something, and Buddha says the same, and the animist American Indians say the same, i assume it to be true.

So, of course i am aware that my beliefs are debatable, and i regard " logic" as one best friend. 

When It comes to Buddha, People of nature and Jesus, I believe physical connection have been the truth among the many different belief systems, and cherry picking have been one absolute since the very beginning of our species orign. At least after we managed to have structured communication, and repeat them over and over until they became truths. So when the first humans walked out from what we now have accepted is Africa, they most likely had the base of spiritual ideas already with them. And if no direct connections between the tribes spread around the world, I believe the basis of their thoughts had much of the same ideas. 
 

Im quite positive Jesus had Connections to India and spiritual people who had brought ideas with them for Jesus to learn from. 
 

And we have also our genetic memory that connect us. Quite surprised not many seems to accept that as a possibility, even many hypothetical articles have been produced and studies have been done, and still ongoing. 

[mauGR1]

6 minutes ago, Hummin said:

When It comes to Buddha, People of nature and Jesus, I believe physical connection have been the truth among the many different belief systems, and cherry picking have been one absolute since the very beginning of our species orign. At least after we managed to have structured communication, and repeat them over and over until they became truths. So when the first humans walked out from what we now have accepted is Africa, they most likely had the base of spiritual ideas already with them. And if no direct connections between the tribes spread around the world, I believe the basis of their thoughts had much of the same ideas. 
 

Im quite positive Jesus had Connections to India and spiritual people who had brought ideas with them for Jesus to learn from. 
 

And we have also our genetic memory that connect us. Quite surprised not many seems to accept that as a possibility, even many hypothetical articles have been produced and studies have been done, and still ongoing. 

Yes, i think that connecting all those different elements that you have, you should come to the obvious conclusion that there's an intelligent design at work.

 

Yet, for some reason, you don't want to connect the dots.

Perhaps it's just a matter of time.

[Hummin]

24 minutes ago, mauGR1 said:

Yes, i think that connecting all those different elements that you have, you should come to the obvious conclusion that there's an intelligent design at work.

 

Yet, for some reason, you don't want to connect the dots.

Perhaps it's just a matter of time.

I have not excluded an creator, but for me, an creator is of no importance in my spirit of belief. It is what it is and nothing more and nothing less! The nature we live in, do not need an signature of a creator, because what ever it is, it is amazing enough that it exists at all, and we are here to explore and enjoy it. There is so many in this world, that is not as privileged as me and hopefully you as well, and for that Im grateful for my experiences so far. May it last longer than Putin and anyone else who is threatening our lives at the moment. 

[mauGR1]

4 minutes ago, Hummin said:

have not excluded an creator, but for me, an creator is of no importance in my spirit of belief. It is what it is and nothing more and nothing less! The nature we live in, do not need an signature of a creator...

Fair enough. 

But, personally, i find that i, and perhaps most people, need a sort of center, a fulcrum, and i find  that, (one can see it clearly in the younger generations), in absence of the supernatural, that "power-vacuum" gets filled with material desires which easily turn into greed, which carries people away from the good values of cohabitation. 

In other words, what you wish for yourself becomes your God. 

 

[VincentRJ]

3 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

"For a start, no-one gets to choose whether or not they will be born, so the reality of their own existence is created by someone else."

I know this question is becoming repetitive but no matter how many times I ask this question, no matter the poster, everyone so far as avoided answering it.

Who creates your experience if not you?  Can you name the agency?  Can you validate that agency's existence?.

It seems clear to me that I answered the question. I think your confusion is a result of your being trapped into the 'either/or' situation. That is, something's either right or wrong, good or bad, hot or cold, and so on.

 

You can create your own reality to some extent, and that extent is very variable, depending upon your inheritance characteristics and the many experiences in your mother's womb and in early childhood which you can't remember. Such experiences are buried in the subconscious, which means you have no control over them, unless you specifically engage in certain processes that might help you to understand or be aware of at least some of those subconscious influences.
Psychology and Psychiatry deal with such issues, but also Buddhism and Yoga-type practices. 

 

"As to your statement, which is a belief, knowing what I know it's false.  We do choose to enter this earthly existence.  In fact, the entity to be chooses it's parents and the parents choose this soon to be born entity."

 

I'm sorry.This sounds like complete nonsense to me. The entity to be, chooses it's parents, and the parents choose the characteristics of the 'soon to be born entity'?? Crikey!! I didn't realize you were into so much mumbo jumbo. ????

 

However, I apologize if I've offended you.

[Thunglom]

[thaibeachlovers]

13 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

It's certainly relevant to the topic.  But it wasn't relevant to my post.

It's just a forum, not the word of God, Jai yen, jai yen.

This is an opinion forum, and my opinion ( as long as not off topic ) is valid whatever I quote to hang it off.

[thaibeachlovers]

8 hours ago, Thunglom said:

It's quite depressing that after many, many posts explaining that God created life the universe and everything, but left it up to evolution after that, a post like that comes on here.

 

Could also have added "why did the creator give lambs testicles, when they are going to be castrated, or tails when they are going to be docked" and "why do cows belch greenhouse gas", etc.

[thaibeachlovers]

10 hours ago, VincentRJ said:

I'm sorry.This sounds like complete nonsense to me. The entity to be, chooses it's parents, and the parents choose the characteristics of the 'soon to be born entity'?? Crikey!! I didn't realize you were into so much mumbo jumbo. ????

I have a problem with that too, as it would mean some souls choose to be born in bodies with major diseases, deformities, to horrible parents, to a brutish life etc.

[thaibeachlovers]

10 hours ago, mauGR1 said:

Fair enough. 

But, personally, i find that i, and perhaps most people, need a sort of center, a fulcrum, and i find  that, (one can see it clearly in the younger generations), in absence of the supernatural, that "power-vacuum" gets filled with material desires which easily turn into greed, which carries people away from the good values of cohabitation. 

In other words, what you wish for yourself becomes your God. 

 

I agree that many young people today are "lost souls" without purpose, hope, or goodness in them. I see them all over where I live.

[mauGR1]

6 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I agree that many young people today are "lost souls" without purpose, hope, or goodness in them. I see them all over where I live.

My generation was already showing signs of apathy. 

On the bright side, one can only save himself, same as in the old times, so let's not lose hope.

We are responsible for what we do, not for others.

[Tippaporn]

34 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

It's just a forum, not the word of God, Jai yen, jai yen.

This is an opinion forum, and my opinion ( as long as not off topic ) is valid whatever I quote to hang it off.

Go ahead.  Fight to the death that you're right.  I don't care.  You weren't on topic to my post.  Period. End of story.  Geezus, why can't folks just admit when they're wrong.

[mauGR1]

22 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

Go ahead.  Fight to the death that you're right.  I don't care.  You weren't on topic to my post.  Period. End of story.  Geezus, why can't folks just admit when they're wrong.

He is right, and you are right too.

2 rights don't make 1 wrong.

The topic is about beliefs in God or whatever. 

If i can ask, who is your God?

..or one can say, who do you love ?

[Tippaporn]

1 hour ago, mauGR1 said:

He is right, and you are right too.

2 rights don't make 1 wrong.

The topic is about beliefs in God or whatever. 

If i can ask, who is your God?

..or one can say, who do you love ?

In my opinion you are putting faith and right and wrong in the same category and that just doesn't work for me.

My faith is no doubt different to that of every other poster ever been on this thread, but it's still faith.

When it comes to faith, there is IMO no one size fits all version.

You have your version and if it works for you, that's good, for you, but don't expect me or all others to agree with you on everything.

 

Mine works for me, and that is enough for me, but whether anyone else agrees with me or not is completely irrelevant to me. I really don't care whether anyone agrees with me or not, as that's not important.

What is important is being open to other's viewpoints and giving them the respect they deserve ( unless they are trolls ).

I'm open to such, and have learned much about faith on these many pages, but I only use what works for myself.

[Tippaporn]

mauGR1, if you just went "huh? to my reply then you'll understand where I'm coming from.

[mauGR1]

2 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

In my opinion you are putting faith and right and wrong in the same category and that just doesn't work for me.

My faith is no doubt different to that of every other poster ever been on this thread, but it's still faith.

When it comes to faith, there is IMO no one size fits all version.

You have your version and if it works for you, that's good, for you, but don't expect me or all others to agree with you on everything.

 

Mine works for me, and that is enough for me, but whether anyone else agrees with me or not is completely irrelevant to me. I really don't care whether anyone agrees with me or not, as that's not important.

What is important is being open to other's viewpoints and giving them the respect they deserve ( unless they are trolls ).

I'm open to such, and have learned much about faith on these many pages, but I only use what works for myself.

Are you repeating tbl's words?

I asked you questions many times, but you never answer directly, and sometimes you don't answer at all.

Are those questions too stupid for you?

Just kidding ????

[mauGR1]

5 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

mauGR1, if you just went "huh? to my reply then you'll understand where I'm coming from.

Nope, i have some questions for you.????

[Lacrimas]

Everyone has a god, call him Netflix, Jesus or Mohammad or Money

[mauGR1]

Just now, Lacrimas said:

Everyone has a god, call him Netflix, Jesus or Mohammad or Money

Thanks, that's my point.

Actually is pretty easy to find out, but most folks are in denial.

[mauGR1]

A Zen story:

"Oh master, what is freedom ?"

The master: "who did chain you ?"

[ivor bigun]

as i see it these days ,social media is the god of many people ,especially the young, it is also one of the  the worst things that ever happened. 

[thaibeachlovers]

3 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

Go ahead.  Fight to the death that you're right.  I don't care.  You weren't on topic to my post.  Period. End of story.  Geezus, why can't folks just admit when they're wrong.

Why so serious? It's just a forum. Obviously you do care because you are making such a fuss. Does anyone else care if someone quotes them and isn't strictly replying to that post- I doubt it.