Do you believe in God and why

[thaibeachlovers]

17 hours ago, Hummin said:

 Energy needs a source and a reciever or transmitter  Thoughts, our thoughts is received, created and transmitted in our organ called brain? Right

Yes, but nothing to with topic. This isn't about biology per se though how the body was created would be.

[mauGR1]

2 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Why so serious? It's just a forum. Obviously you do care because you are making such a fuss. Does anyone else care if someone quotes them and isn't strictly replying to that post- I doubt it.

 

 

 

Perhaps he was expecting we plebs to bow down to his supreme wisdom... oops, i forgot that mockery is forbidden ????

[thaibeachlovers]

2 minutes ago, mauGR1 said:

Perhaps he was expecting we plebs to bow down to his supreme wisdom... oops, i forgot that mockery is forbidden ????

I've been hanging replies off quotes for years, and often partly, but not fully relevant to the quote, but that's the first time I've ever been attacked for doing so.

The Thais have that wonderful response to those getting too excited- Jai yen, jai yen, meaning cool down, life is too short, enjoy more, stress less.

I try to look at a situation from the point of view that if I knew I was going to die tomorrow, would it be important?

[mauGR1]

Just now, thaibeachlovers said:

I've been hanging replies off quotes for years, and often partly, but not fully relevant to the quote, but that's the first time I've ever been attacked for doing so.

The Thais have that wonderful response to those getting too excited- Jai yen, jai yen, meaning cool down, life is too short, enjoy more, stress less.

I try to look at a situation from the point of view that if I knew I was going to die tomorrow, would it be important?

Much respect for your intellectual honesty, and i also have a lot of doubts about the intellectual honesty of some people.

But, as they say " to please everyone is nearly impossible, but to pi** off everyone is easy".

In other words, just say the truth and they will hate you.

[Hummin]

2 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Yes, but nothing to with topic. This isn't about biology per se though how the body was created would be.

Hm, if you think so, but how can you know! If there is a creator, then he created us with all the features and functions we have for a reason

[Hummin]

7 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

It's quite depressing that after many, many posts explaining that God created life the universe and everything, but left it up to evolution after that, a post like that comes on here.

 

Could also have added "why did the creator give lambs testicles, when they are going to be castrated, or tails when they are going to be docked" and "why do cows belch greenhouse gas", etc.

Greenhouse gases is essential for our planets temperature "control" but as anything else, to much is not good, and partly our foult because of gluttony 

 

Edited September 9, 2022 by Hummin

[Tippaporn]

6 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

6 hours ago, mauGR1 said:

Perhaps he was expecting we plebs to bow down to his supreme wisdom... oops, i forgot that mockery is forbidden ????

I've been hanging replies off quotes for years, and often partly, but not fully relevant to the quote, but that's the first time I've ever been attacked for doing so.

The Thais have that wonderful response to those getting too excited- Jai yen, jai yen, meaning cool down, life is too short, enjoy more, stress less.

I try to look at a situation from the point of view that if I knew I was going to die tomorrow, would it be important?

Well, I tried to end this early on but since you persist I'll try to lay this to rest now.    So here is the flow of events as they were experienced by me.

 

Your initial reply to my post about ideas and how people accept the ideas that they do revolved around your ideas of faith.  You claimed I was erroneously putting faith in the same category as engineering.

Now since I was not discussing faith whatsoever I was confused by what you were claiming.  I thought that perhaps you saw something I didn't and so was missing something.  So I told you I was unsure as to how you read faith into the content of my post.  Without asking you directly to explain I left you an opening to add the missing clarity on my part.

You replied next with, "Given the topic is about God, I can't see how mentioning faith is irrelevant to the discussion."  Given the phrasing I sensed you were a bit put off as if my reply to you was somehow an admonishment.  Which it wasn't.  So again I was confused by your response.

 

So I come back atcha with, "It's certainly relevant to the topic.  But it wasn't relevant to my post."  I confirmed that your initial reply was certainly within the bounds of this thread.  No problem there.  Now if you recall I was confused as to how you were linking faith to my post subject matter and gave you an opportunity to make that link.  Since you didn't then common sense told me that there was no link.  Well, if there was no link I then just stated as a matter of fact that your reply was not relevant.  No emotion on my end.  Just stating a pure fact.

Next you blindside me with, "It's just a forum, not the word of God, Jai yen, jai yen.  This is an opinion forum, and my opinion ( as long as not off topic ) is valid whatever I quote to hang it off."  Again, the fact that you were off put was plain to decipher from the tone of your language.  But now you were accusing me of being all bent out of shape.  So as I know that on my end I didn't write my last post while my hands were shaking due to uncontrollable rage  I'm thinking to myself, where's he getting that from.

Now the only emotion I did feel as I wrote my next reply was sadness that this exchange was so unnecessarily taking a very wrong turn.  I was shaking my head at the keyboard when I wrote, "Go ahead.  Fight to the death that you're right.  I don't care.  You weren't on topic to my post.  Period. End of story.  Geezus, why can't folks just admit when they're wrong."  I admit frustration made me write that last sentence. 

So now mauGR1 jumps in.  "He is right and you are right, too."  Now it's always been important to me to access reality properly.  Else I'm fooling myself.  Now common sense tells me that two people with opposing viewpoints can't both be right.  So I replied to mauGR1 with your initial reply and just changed it up a bit to fit his post.  I thought that by replying to him as you did to me mauGR1 would understand my confusion to your initial reply.  "Huh?"

Next I find the above quoted post from the two of you discussing this whole sordid mess.  Now you're accusing me of "attacking" you.  A very drawn out "huh?" issued from my lips.  That was in reply to mauGR1's ad hominem comment that I look at everyone here as plebs who must bow down to me.  Now a very long drawn out "huh?"  In other words, people here are soooo much lesser than me.  Which, knowing myself, is an attitude I can't possibly be accused of.

 

A long, long time ago I read don Juan giving Carlos Castaneda the definition of true humbleness.  "No one is more import than you and you are no more important than anyone else."  I pat myself on the back for accepting that definition and practicing it fairly faithfully since I've read it.  And thanks to Seth I've learned that people are not their ideas.  A truth I've expressed in a much earlier post on this thread.  Ideas are what people use to create their reality.  But people are not their ideas.  Most people erroneously conflate the two.  Hence you hear often, "You're an <expletive>!"  Now I have no qualms whatsoever viciously and mercilessly attacking ideas which people hold.  Depending on how despicable the idea is, of course.  Don't ever justify war to me, for instance.  Or the medical abuse of other living creatures.

As far as my "supreme wisdom," well what can I say other than I'm sorry that's how you interpret my confidence of the knowledge I express, @mauGR1.  Sunmaster once advised that the best way to teach was by being a living example.  While I can't convey a living example of myself other than in person I can do so through expressing myself in word.  Should I be less than myself here so as not to irritate the lack of confidence others may feel about themselves?  That would be unfairly asking too much from me.

While this episode of misunderstanding due to erroneous interpretations is silly it is, on the other hand, important, too.  Nothing we do is unimportant.  Hopefully this sheds enough light, along with a bit of insight into me, so that we can bury any ill will and be friends again.    While in my heart I know I've done nothing wrong, though I was turned into the bad guy and slandered to boot, I'll even apologise.  I'll go it even a couple of steps further . . . I love you TBL.  I love you mauGR1. 

P.S.  Just so you know I was smiling the whole time I was typing this post.  That's how deadly serious I am about all of this. 

 

Edited September 9, 2022 by Tippaporn

[Tippaporn]

Sorry about the long post, TBL.  Try breaking it up and reading it piecemeal. 

[mauGR1]

12 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

While this episode of misunderstanding due to erroneous interpretations is silly it is, on the other hand, important, too.  Nothing we do is unimportant.  Hopefully this sheds enough light, along with a bit of insight into me, so that we can bury any ill will and be friends again.    While in my heart I know I've done nothing wrong, though I was turned into the bad guy and slandered to boot, I'll even apologise.  I'll go it even a couple of steps further . . . I love you TBL.  I love you mauGR1. 

Ill will ? You are kidding. 

Yet, you don't answer questions, but you complain of people not answering questions. 

You write long posts ( which i read) than you complain because people quote parts of it.

When inaccuracies are found in your logic, you don't answer, or you complain of people being too serious.

In all honesty, are you interested in a conversation, or you're too busy playing the prophet with big mouth and no ears ?

Never mind, i understand,  the ego, the false ego and all that. I have monsters too to deal with. ????

So, are you 100% free as you claimed, or perhaps would it be more correct to say that we are POTENTIALLY 100% free ?

[mikebike]

On 9/8/2022 at 4:39 PM, mauGR1 said:

...no one can deny that thoughts are energy. 

I can. First though, is the "energy" you are referring to the electrical energy between synapses in the brain?

[Tippaporn]

2 minutes ago, mauGR1 said:

Ill will ? You are kidding. 

Yet, you don't answer questions, but you complain of people not answering questions. 

You write long posts ( which i read) than you complain because people quote parts of it.

When inaccuracies are found in your logic, you don't answer, or you complain of people being too serious.

In all honesty, are you interested in a conversation, or you're too busy playing the prophet with big mouth and no ears ?

Never mind, i understand,  the ego, the false ego and all that. I have monsters too to deal with. ????

So, are you 100% free as you claimed, or perhaps would it be more correct to say that we are POTENTIALLY 100% free ?

Frankly, mauGR1, I have no idea what the hell you're on about.  Time to tame that monster in you and return it to the cellar.  It's pretty ugly.

[mauGR1]

1 minute ago, Tippaporn said:

Frankly, mauGR1, I have no idea what the hell you're on about.  Time to tame that monster in you and return it to the cellar.  It's pretty ugly.

I am disappointed too.

[Tippaporn]

1 minute ago, mauGR1 said:

I am disappointed too.

In who?  Me or yourself?

[mauGR1]

2 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

In who?  Me or yourself?

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Look, i understand, just relax, everything is ok.

[mauGR1]

31 minutes ago, mikebike said:

I can. First though, is the "energy" you are referring to the electrical energy between synapses in the brain?

I'm referring to all thoughts. 

If you want to deny that thoughts are energy, I'll listen. 

[Tippaporn]

16 minutes ago, mauGR1 said:

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Look, i understand, just relax, everything is ok.

You've obviously got some personal issues, mauGR1.  You'll understand why I won't be replying to you any longer.

[mauGR1]

3 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

You've obviously got some personal issues, mauGR1.  You'll understand why I won't be replying to you any longer.

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[rumak]

On 9/8/2022 at 4:28 PM, mauGR1 said:

Yes, sometimes it's been for me difficult to accept that in the past i occasionally behaved like a complete moron.

past tense ?

[mauGR1]

11 minutes ago, rumak said:

past tense ?

Troll post ?

[Sunmaster]

Jeez, I leave you guys alone for a few days and when I come back you're all up in arms. ????

 

Time to take a step back, open that nice bottle of wine, play with your cat, go for a walk in nature....and come back on Monday all fresh and kumbaya. ;-)

 

[rumak]

19 minutes ago, Sunmaster said:

Jeez, I leave you guys alone for a few days and when I come back you're all up in arms. 

Jeezus said " love your fellow poster as you love yourself"    

 

well.......  they just sharing the love ,  brother

 

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[AddyA]

If god does exist, then she's a nasty piece of work. I mean, sending folks to burn in the fires of hell for infinity. And for what? Because you commit one of ten tin pot sins. Seriously, it's the stuff or horror stories. 
 

But let's just suppose for a moment you do get sent to hell for being naughty. Well, all you have to do if you want to go to heaven is the reverse. That is, become a devil worshiper and do something good. Then, the bloke with the horns will most likely punish you by sending you to heaven for your benevolence ???? ???? ????.
 

It's really quite simple when you weigh it all up.

[Hummin]

What Master of Sun said! 

 

Have a good weekend ????????????

[Hummin]

13 minutes ago, rumak said:

Jeezus said " love your fellow poster as you love yourself"    

 

well.......  they just sharing the love ,  brother

 

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Pissing contest or at best pissing upwind! 

[Sunmaster]

5 hours ago, AddyA said:

If god does exist, then she's a nasty piece of work. I mean, sending folks to burn in the fires of hell for infinity. And for what? Because you commit one of ten tin pot sins. Seriously, it's the stuff or horror stories. 
 

But let's just suppose for a moment you do get sent to hell for being naughty. Well, all you have to do if you want to go to heaven is the reverse. That is, become a devil worshiper and do something good. Then, the bloke with the horns will most likely punish you by sending you to heaven for your benevolence ???? ???? ????.
 

It's really quite simple when you weigh it all up.

Don't confuse religious dogma with the essence. They are 2 very different things.

[Tippaporn]

4 hours ago, Hummin said:

Pissing contest or at best pissing upwind! 

A pissing contest is two parties trying to outdo each other.  This wasn't that.  This was nothing more than me trying to clear the air about a misunderstanding and mauGR1 coming out of left field going nuclear.  I'm not into abuse so just as in any relationship which becomes abusive it's time for one or the other to pack their bags and go.  No feelings hurt for me so no hot temper on my part over any of it.  Just a simple, "No thanks."

[thaibeachlovers]

12 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

Sorry about the long post, TBL.  Try breaking it up and reading it piecemeal. 

I read it, but It's all a storm in a teacup far as I'm concerned. I just don't understand why you would care though. This subforum is the "pub" ergo it's for "pub talk", which is not to be taken seriously ( though some topics on it may be serious ie this thread, though many of the thousands of replies were not serious ).

 

Whenever I post anything on this forum, I bear in mind that whatever I write today will be forgotten tomorrow ( especially by me, given my age related forgetfulness ). It's certainly not worth jumping up and down about.

 

As apparently you take it far more seriously than I, I apologise if my words offended you.

 

Anyway, for reasons that I can't discuss ( as related to the rules on commenting on moderation ) I'll probably not bother about posting as much anymore. No doubt that will make certain persons on this forum happy, but life's too short ( certainly my remaining life ) to keep fighting a losing battle.

 

 

[thaibeachlovers]

9 hours ago, Sunmaster said:

Jeez, I leave you guys alone for a few days and when I come back you're all up in arms. ????

 

Time to take a step back, open that nice bottle of wine, play with your cat, go for a walk in nature....and come back on Monday all fresh and kumbaya. ????

 

That photo's from the remake movie. I preferred the original, but no matter.

It's a sad commentary on humanity that any group of humans in the same situation would likely degenerate in the same manner, and if a minority number of women were included the situation would likely degenerate even faster.

While religion has many sins to answer for, it probably did keep humanity's worst impulses from dominating during the centuries before governmental authority was effective.

 

BTW. Golding, who wrote the book the film is based on, wrote some amazing books. Well worth a read of.

Edited September 9, 2022 by thaibeachlovers

[Tippaporn]

2 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I read it, but It's all a storm in a teacup far as I'm concerned. I just don't understand why you would care though. This subforum is the "pub" ergo it's for "pub talk", which is not to be taken seriously ( though some topics on it may be serious ie this thread, though many of the thousands of replies were not serious ).

 

Whenever I post anything on this forum, I bear in mind that whatever I write today will be forgotten tomorrow ( especially by me, given my age related forgetfulness ). It's certainly not worth jumping up and down about.

 

As apparently you take it far more seriously than I, I apologise if my words offended you.

 

Anyway, for reasons that I can't discuss ( as related to the rules on commenting on moderation ) I'll probably not bother about posting as much anymore. No doubt that will make certain persons on this forum happy, but life's too short ( certainly my remaining life ) to keep fighting a losing battle.

Hasn't anyone been misunderstood in life leading to ill feelings and then sought to simply clear it up?  Why would I ir anyone care?  For the sake of maintaining harmony.  Is a desire for harmony amongst people not worth the effort?  Especially in what is becoming more and more a hate filled world.

You didn't offend me, TBL.  No drama and an apology isn't needed. 

 

Edited September 10, 2022 by Tippaporn

[Tippaporn]

2 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

That photo's from the remake movie. I preferred the original, but no matter.

It's a sad commentary on humanity that any group of humans in the same situation would likely degenerate in the same manner, and if a minority number of women were included the situation would likely degenerate even faster.

While religion has many sins to answer for, it probably did keep humanity's worst impulses from dominating during the centuries before governmental authority was effective.

 

BTW. Golding, who wrote the book the film is based on, wrote some amazing books. Well worth a read of.

That's not real.  Only a movie.  And it's only based on one man's interpretation of what such an imagined scenario would produce.  The writer was most obviously engaging in dark thoughts as he wrote it.  Had he had thoughts of an opposite nature the story would have been much different.  Frank Capra made those types of movies.  Which were just as much a true and real reflection of the true nature of who we are.

The real life of each individual works the same.  Dark thoughts produce dark experiences and vice versa.  It's that simple.

 

Edited September 10, 2022 by Tippaporn