Do you believe in God and why

[save the frogs]

9 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

That must be a miracle as I doubt anyone now actually knows what Jesus looked like.

I suspect you are referring to the Euro version pictures.

yes, that's right. 

found him.

his name is michael mirdad.

 

[save the frogs]

11 hours ago, Sunmaster said:

So, what games DO you like to play?

well, someone mentioned james redfield's celestine prophecy in another thread.

that's an interesting read.

one thing i remember from that book is the discussion of power struggles.

many/most human interactions involve power struggles ...

do i do that?

i hope not.

i try not to.

 

[thaibeachlovers]

23 hours ago, Can samui said:

I refuse to believe in any higher power that would allow the things that I have seen to occur.

I have been to war zones and disaster zones and have seen the abject misery that is the human condition.

Nope, it is all just a very bad joke.

Do you think that God would care specifically about humans on one planet in the universe?

There are probably billions of species on just planet Earth, and untold billions of stars in the universe, of which probably all or most have planets so untold trillions of species.

OR

do you believe that this insignificant planet is the only one in the entire universe that has life on it?

[save the frogs]

11 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I had a similar experience with one of those guys that hangs around in public places trying to convert the heathens. Ended with him saying I was going to hell!

yeah because he might get kicked out of the church if he doesn't meet his weekly quotas.

these people are salesmen. 

[thaibeachlovers]

4 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

well, someone mentioned james redfield's celestine prophecy in another thread.

that's an interesting read.

one thing i remember from that book is the discussion of power struggles.

many/most human interactions involve power struggles ...

do i do that?

i hope not.

i try not to.

 

Long ago I read all those books ( Celestine Prophesy, Road less travelled, etc ) but none of then satisfied my curiosity about things spiritual. They were interesting reads though.

[save the frogs]

18 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

none of then satisfied my curiosity about things spiritual

your definition of 'spiritual' may be somewhat narrow or very specific.

the way human beings interact with each other is part of spirituality.

if you're always playing one-upmanship, power struggles, bullying etc ...as discussed in celestine prophecy, this is part of spirituality.

and it's happening everywhere. families, workplace ...

cuz people are non-spiritual.

[thaibeachlovers]

16 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

your definition of 'spiritual' may be somewhat narrow or very specific.

the way human beings interact with each other is part of spirituality.

if you're always playing one-upmanship, power struggles, bullying etc ...as discussed in celestine prophecy, this is part of spirituality.

and it's happening everywhere. families, workplace ...

cuz people are non-spiritual.

My interest in spirituality back then extended only to religious type spirituality. Took me 40 more years to understand that spirituality is in everything.

[Tippaporn]

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

A man can be pregnant! A foetus only requires a blood supply to survive, and IMO an implanted foetus could get such from something in a man's abdomen.

I'm not saying that it would last the entire 9 months or that it would be a viable person after it was surgically delivered.

Happens to women when they have ectopic pregnancies.

 

The world is so insane now that it will be no surprise to me if some man did actually try.

I'm not talking about implants.  Getting pregnant naturally.  Carving up and mutilating a man's body so that he can be pregnant is in itself not only dumb but insane as well.  And I hope I don't need to explain to anyone why.

[mauGR1]

6 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

I'm not talking about implants.  Getting pregnant naturally.  Carving up and mutilating a man's body so that he can be pregnant is in itself not only dumb but insane as well.  And I hope I don't need to explain to anyone why.

According to Plato, who i find to be an inspired observer of society, the price we pay for being uninterested in politics, is being ruled by the insane. 

[Sunmaster]

1 hour ago, save the frogs said:

well, someone mentioned james redfield's celestine prophecy in another thread.

that's an interesting read.

one thing i remember from that book is the discussion of power struggles.

many/most human interactions involve power struggles ...

do i do that?

i hope not.

i try not to.

 

The Celestine books were some of the first "spiritual" books I've read after that shift in perception I mentioned. I even bought the workbook because I'm practical minded.
They were the right books/ideas for me at that time, because they were a soft introduction to the world within.

I skimmed the video you posted and from what I heard, the things he said made sense to me. 

[Sunmaster]

2 hours ago, save the frogs said:

yes, that's right. 

found him.

his name is michael mirdad.

Maybe you'll find this interesting....

 

Some very outlandish ideas, but ideas worth entertaining, even if only for a short time.

[Sunmaster]

8 hours ago, Dazkkk said:

God no! But I do enjoy Christmas with my little son. ????

That's funny, because pretty much all of my friends here are atheists and they all celebrate Christmas. I'm the only one who doesn't. Go figure....

[save the frogs]

26 minutes ago, Sunmaster said:

The Celestine books were some of the first "spiritual" books I've read after that shift in perception I mentioned.

I didn't read that much. I read that book and a few others.

This is decades ago. 

I was disillusioned with the whole "spiritual crowd" after joining a meditation group.

The people running it were screwed up. The were on a power trip and most members in the groups were recovering alcoholics.

Then lived abroad. Not many people interested in talking about this stuff.

Except one young American girl I met abroad. 

She had gone to a strict ultra religious school in the US... was it mormon? can't remember.

They weren't even allowed to watch hollywood films.

So she was escaping from that and was open to different stuff.

This thread is memory lane. 

[Tippaporn]

1 hour ago, mauGR1 said:

According to Plato, who i find to be an inspired observer of society, the price we pay for being uninterested in politics, is being ruled by the insane. 

America was founded on the idea of self governance.  Self governance by it's nature imposes responsibilities upon each citizen.  Yet the citizens refuse the burden of such responsibility and so allow themselves to be ruled by the forms of governments which they had rejected in the first place.  Voting every election cycle does not represent the extent of involvement that a self governing society demands of it's people.

Great ideas are worthless if they are not acted upon.  Som nam na.

And so a bunch of bad ideas are allowed to flourish, government then gets to run roughshod over the people, and the people end up with the idea that they are helpless and powerless.  And are certainly not to blame for their condition.  Oh, no.  And yes, the insane end up ruling over the sane.  Not really the insane but rather the corrupt.  Of course they are the same.

An upside down world created through . . . the use and implementation of ideas.

[Tippaporn]

17 hours ago, Sunmaster said:

I had the same exact thought a few days ago. My mother in law is at the hospital and in pretty bad shape. My wife is doing what she can to help her and the rest of the family out. 
So I was thinking about my own mortality and death. I thought that I too could die any time. I have no regrets and I'm not afraid of dying. The only thing that would hold me back are my wife who needs my support now more than ever, and my parents who are old and will need me soon as well.

I think everyone worries about what will become of their loved ones upon their demise.  It's quite natural to care about others and their futures.  I've learned that just as the world provides everything I need to live the life I want so too does the world provide the same for everyone else.  As soon as I catch myself worrying about their welfare I realise I'm treating them as cripples.  As people unable to manage their lives or fulfill their reason for being without my presence.  And so I then feel the burden I place upon my own shoulders to be the provider and savior in their lives.

Rather, I trust they will do just fine without me.  Just as I did just fine in my life.  I am, after all, dispensable.

[Tippaporn]

On 3/13/2023 at 3:32 PM, mauGR1 said:

Spot on again, I've spent a lot of time wondering about what people think, perhaps the time has come to give it a little rest.

Btw, i know you don't like religions and such, and you're probably busy extracting every molecule of wisdom from Seth's descriptions, but, having done a lot of cross checking among philosophies, religions and the such, and keeping what i think it's worth, i find quite some similarities with what Don Juan, Jesus, Buddha, Yogananda, Steiner, and others have to say about the so called reality.

You'd probably find more than just a few similarities.  And just as many nuggets worthy of retaining.  It's not surprising, really, as the reality we find ourselves in has been perceived to an extent by many.  So you can find it everywhere.  Amongst all of the nuggets you will find distortions as well.  For myself, the less distortion the better.  Seth is about as distortion free as I've ever found.  He eliminates the need to separate the chaff from the grain.  Saves a lot of time.

[mauGR1]

13 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

Amongst all of the nuggets you will find distortions as well.  For myself, the less distortion the better.  Seth is about as distortion free as I've ever found.  He eliminates the need to separate the chaff from the grain.  Saves a lot of time.

I can see your point, yet what you call distortions, could be deliberate manipulations, bad translations, omissions, and sometimes just misunderstandings.

If, as i think, the reasons for being here on earth are learning and experiencing different ways of thinking, there's no wasted time, imho, in searching for the truth.

Did Seth mention dark ages, golden ages of humankind, and the challenges the human society as a whole is facing in these times ? 

[thaibeachlovers]

7 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Whatever, the sky is bluer that it was yesterday, the sun shines brighter, and no doubt the sunset will be spectacular.

and the sunset is indeed spectacular. Altogether a good day today.

Nature is wonderful.

[thaibeachlovers]

5 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

I'm not talking about implants.  Getting pregnant naturally.  Carving up and mutilating a man's body so that he can be pregnant is in itself not only dumb but insane as well.  And I hope I don't need to explain to anyone why.

Hmmmm. Only way a man could naturally be pregnant would require transplanting a female reproductive system into the man, and then he'd have to be given the hormones that his body doesn't produce for the duration of the pregnancy.

No matter the desires of a certain subsection of mankind, it's not going to happen, unless it's to a male looking hermaphrodite that just happens to have a functioning female reproductive system.

[thaibeachlovers]

5 hours ago, mauGR1 said:

According to Plato, who i find to be an inspired observer of society, the price we pay for being uninterested in politics, is being ruled by the insane. 

Plenty of people interested in politics now and we still ended up being ruled by the ..........................

IMO the problem is that no sane person wants to be a politician anymore.

[thaibeachlovers]

5 hours ago, save the frogs said:

She had gone to a strict ultra religious school in the US... was it mormon? can't remember.

They weren't even allowed to watch hollywood films.

Sounds more like that group that still use horses and carriages because they reject all modern things. Forget their name.

[thaibeachlovers]

3 hours ago, mauGR1 said:

Did Seth mention dark ages, golden ages of humankind, and the challenges the human society as a whole is facing in these times ? 

Hmmmm. The "challenges" we face are nothing compared to those that have gone before. The Black Death killed so many that entire societies were changed, the Mongol hordes threatened the very existence of Europe, Columbus brought nothing good to the indigenous people's of America, etc.

 

Perhaps it's because humanity cares only about now, that humanity thinks a minor plague like covid which killed only a few million is a cosmically big deal.

We have had 50,000 years to become civilized and stop killing each other, but it's like we never left the cave. All we do is invent better ways of killing each other and polluting our environment.

[BritManToo]

11 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

 

We have had 50,000 years to become civilized and stop killing each other, but it's like we never left the cave. All we do is invent better ways of killing each other and polluting our environment.

I've not killed anyone, nor have I invented a better way of killing anyone.

[thaibeachlovers]

1 minute ago, BritManToo said:

I've not killed anyone, nor have I invented a better way of killing anyone.

I wasn't specifically addressing a Billie Piper fan when I referred to humanity, but if you paid taxes in the UK you also paid for the means to kill people that the military use. None of us are 100 % innocent.

[BritManToo]

4 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I wasn't specifically addressing a Billie Piper fan when I referred to humanity, but if you paid taxes in the UK you also paid for the means to kill people that the military use. None of us are 100 % innocent.

I just don't agree, not only am I 100% innocent, but I have never been part of the ruling elite that believes it has the right to kill (or order the death) of foreign citizens.

[Hummin]

17 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Hmmmm. The "challenges" we face are nothing compared to those that have gone before. The Black Death killed so many that entire societies were changed, the Mongol hordes threatened the very existence of Europe, Columbus brought nothing good to the indigenous people's of America, etc.

 

Perhaps it's because humanity cares only about now, that humanity thinks a minor plague like covid which killed only a few million is a cosmically big deal.

We have had 50,000 years to become civilized and stop killing each other, but it's like we never left the cave. All we do is invent better ways of killing each other and polluting our environment.

If you look at it differently, we or most of the people have become better to take care of each other, and the majority have more options to become someone they want to be. Try to turn the negative spin around to something positive for your self, and change your own reality. You and me is as I feel during our few exchange of thoughts here, on our opposite ends. You slightly to negative, but, yes you are right, and me a tendency to positive, but Im also right. Then we have to choose how realistic we want to be or not. I choose to stay positive even there is daily proof of your negativity, but why should I let those negatives influence my world, my life right here right now? 

 

I do prepare for bad days, but still keeps my mind bright and light. 

[thaibeachlovers]

1 minute ago, BritManToo said:

I just don't agree, not only am I 100% innocent, but I have never been part of the ruling elite that believes it has the right to kill (or order the death) of foreign citizens.

If you paid taxes to the government you are just as contaminated as the rest of us.

[Hummin]

15 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

I just don't agree, not only am I 100% innocent, but I have never been part of the ruling elite that believes it has the right to kill (or order the death) of foreign citizens.

Collective guilt is a bad thing, and, no, we should not be responsible at all.

 

But do we blaim russians, Ivan and Petra for the war against Ukraina? Yes we do, they should have stopped Putin in time, but again, then we have to blaim many of our allies to, as well our own countries. No collective guilt necessary 

[thaibeachlovers]

1 minute ago, Hummin said:

If you look at it differently, we or most of the people have become better to take care of each other, and the majority have more options to become someone they want to be. Try to turn the negative spin around to something positive for your self, and change your own reality. You and me is as I feel during our few exchange of thoughts here, on our opposite ends. You slightly to negative, but, yes you are right, and me a tendency to positive, but Im also right. Then we have to choose how realistic we want to be or not. I choose to stay positive even there is daily proof of your negativity, but why should I let those negatives influence my world, my life right here right now? 

 

I do prepare for bad days, but still keeps my mind bright and light. 

Being positive is always a good thing, but I did explain in a previous post as to why I have been cynical most of my life, and cynicism and being positive are not natural bedfellows.

However, I do have some good days among the dross, as in today when some bad people were evicted out of my life. So, even the negative can feel good on occasion.

 

Anyway, sometime in the not too distant future, whatever I am like is going to be of zero relevance as I vanish up the crematorium's chimney.

[Hummin]

8 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Being positive is always a good thing, but I did explain in a previous post as to why I have been cynical most of my life, and cynicism and being positive are not natural bedfellows.

However, I do have some good days among the dross, as in today when some bad people were evicted out of my life. So, even the negative can feel good on occasion.

 

Anyway, sometime in the not too distant future, whatever I am like is going to be of zero relevance as I vanish up the crematorium's chimney.

I like to see that as a good thing to, but in the meantime do the best out of it. Every day <deleted> or was it counts? Not sure ????