Do you believe in God and why

[save the frogs]

3 minutes ago, Sunmaster said:

Or that I am an evil guru myself.

come on. i never said or implied that you are evil.

i just challenged some of your opinions. 

you're a thoughtful intelligent person, which is a pretty good quality in this day and age. 

doesn't mean i agree with everything you say though. 

[Sunmaster]

3 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

come on. i never said or implied that you are evil.

i just challenged some of your opinions. 

you're a thoughtful intelligent person, which is a pretty good quality in this day and age. 

doesn't mean i agree with everything you say though. 

Nice.

[save the frogs]

26 minutes ago, Sunmaster said:

Like determining that Paramhansa Yogananda is a power-hungry evil guru,

Do we need to rehash this guy?

 

He has a book called "How to Be Happy All The Time".

It's not possible or feasible to expect to be happy all the time. Negative experiences and emotions are an inevitable part of life.

 

He has another book called "How to Be a Success".

You cannot become successful just by filling your head with "spiritual teachings".

Sure, maybe "positive thinking" can help, but maybe only 5%.

After that, what makes people successful is a combination of hard work, being in the right place at the right time, and innate talents and gifts that people are born with ... not "spiritual teachings". 

A lot of people will never be truly "successful" as in millionaires or high-powered careers.

And you don't NEED to be. They're perpetuating false hope to many people and many people will become frustrated when they don't achieve a certain level of success. 

But a lot of Westerners also wrote books like this, maybe copied the idea from this guy. 

 

That said, he has put out a lot of other material, some of which may be valid. I don't have time to do a Phd on the guy's life work though. 

 

Just looked him up on Amazon. He has another book called "Why God Permits Evil ..." ... who knows ... maybe it's worth a read . I dunno. 

 

Edited May 19, 2023 by save the frogs

[save the frogs]

2 hours ago, Sunmaster said:

Sure, whatever you say.

No actually I dug a bit deeper into this film.

Sorry, this may or may not interest you.

So the theory is that there is a connection between the Engineers and Jesus.

ie that Jesus was an emissary of the Engineers sent to Earth.

but then Jesus got killed, so they wanted to get revenge on the human race?
Maybe this film needs to be dismissed as completely wacky and nonsensical ... 

Enough about the film. 

 

[mauGR1]

2 hours ago, save the frogs said:

Maybe this film needs to be dismissed as completely wacky and nonsensical ... 

Enough about the film. 

 

The theory of homo sapiens having been engineered by so called  "aliens" is not completely nonsensical imho.

No other animal, as far as i know, feel so much physical pain in giving birth.

That might be a clue about humans' evolutionary trajectory having been somehow "sped up".

[save the frogs]

38 minutes ago, mauGR1 said:

No other animal, as far as i know, feel so much physical pain in giving birth.

That might be a clue about humans' evolutionary trajectory having been somehow "sped up".

ok, well i never heard of that theory before.

but an interesting perspective. 

[Red Phoenix]

5 hours ago, mauGR1 said:

The theory of homo sapiens having been engineered by so called  "aliens" is not completely nonsensical imho.

No other animal, as far as i know, feel so much physical pain in giving birth.

That might be a clue about humans' evolutionary trajectory having been somehow "sped up".

@mauGR1 > Female humans giving birth is indeed often a very painful process. 

But that's absolutely nothing compared with what a spotted hyena experiences when giving birth.  Females of this species give birth through a narrow, penis-like, enlarged clitoris which is ruptured during the process and can take weeks to heal.  

The birth canal of a hyena is only about one inch across, and consequently, many hyena babies do not survive. Suffocation is a frequent occurrence for the cubs, as is the death of first-time hyena mothers.

When she is ready to give birth, the mother essentially needs to squeeze a 2-pound cub through a narrow opening in the hyena birth canal that’s only about an inch in diameter. The problem is compounded by the fact that spotted hyena cubs are among the largest offspring in relation to the mother’s weight throughout the entire animal kingdom.

Females giving birth for the first time die in 9-18% of the cases and their cubs only survive in 25% of the cases. The birthing process itself can last up to 48 hours of excruciating pain.

>> https://a-z-animals.com/blog/hyena-birth-what-makes-it-so-unique/

 

[Hummin]

12 hours ago, mauGR1 said:

The theory of homo sapiens having been engineered by so called  "aliens" is not completely nonsensical imho.

No other animal, as far as i know, feel so much physical pain in giving birth.

That might be a clue about humans' evolutionary trajectory having been somehow "sped up".

Isn't this a future scenario where we find an promising Exo planet, and infest it with life from our planet? If we survive that long, and reach the capability to do so. 

[Sunmaster]

5 minutes ago, Hummin said:

Isn't this a future scenario where we find an promising Exo planet, and infest it with life from our planet? If we survive that long, and reach the capability to do so. 

Interesting choice of words "infest it". ????

[Hummin]

9 minutes ago, Sunmaster said:

Interesting choice of words "infest it". ????

I truly believe all life is alien, and travel space one way, or the other. If we create life, eart life on an planet, that means we truly would infest it. But who knows, thats maybe one way life spread throughout the galaxy and universe(s) 

[mauGR1]

17 minutes ago, Hummin said:

Isn't this a future scenario where we find an promising Exo planet, and infest it with life from our planet? If we survive that long, and reach the capability to do so. 

That's surely in the realms of possibilities. 

I find even more intriguing the possibility, if time is a loop, that "aliens" visiting planet earth might be evolved humans travelling from the future into the past ????

[Hummin]

11 minutes ago, mauGR1 said:

That's surely in the realms of possibilities. 

I find even more intriguing the possibility, if time is a loop, that "aliens" visiting planet earth might be evolved humans travelling from the future into the past ????

If life is designed, everything is possible, even upgrades we call evolution. As well go back and forth, constantly making changes as a painter would do, even make new layers. 

 

But that doesnt change the fact we find chronical changes in time geological, and that makes it a bit more challenging seeing how things fits a evolution theory without any outer disturbance. Exept asteroids constantly impactiong during time and changing the enviroment. 

Edited May 20, 2023 by Hummin

[mauGR1]

12 hours ago, Hummin said:

If life is designed, everything is possible, even upgrades we call evolution. As well go back and forth, constantly making changes as a painter would do, even make new layers. 

 

But that doesnt change the fact we find chronical changes in time geological, and that makes it a bit more challenging seeing how things fits a evolution theory without any outer disturbance. Exept asteroids constantly impactiong during time and changing the enviroment. 

 

Take this flying lizard,  for example, it resembles very much the dragon of ancient tales, except for its size.

It's quite possible that the change in the speed of earth's gravity, provoked by an "asteroids shower" has had some effect on the size of plants and animals ( including humans) living on the planet.

Edited May 20, 2023 by mauGR1

[Tippaporn]

On 5/11/2023 at 8:51 PM, save the frogs said:

Mr Mick Jagger.

 

Do you fear the final hour?

Do you kneel before the cross?

Is Your Conscience Clear?

Are you caked in sweat?

Do you see the light?

See the face of Christ?

Enter paradise?

I doubt it.

 

Perhaps your best contribution thus far, save the frogs.  I hadn't heard that wonderful tune before.  Mick seems to be struggling for understanding.  He ain't alone.

Human suffering . . . why do we experience it?  For surely if God existed he would never have allowed it.  And since it is allowed and if God does exist then he is either twisted or has created a faulty universe.  So goes the rationale and the conclusions drawn that are often expressed here.

Why is suffering allowed and why do we experience it?  If there's a reason and purpose for everything then must there be a good reason and purpose for suffering as well?  Before I offer my two cents I'll sit back whilst pleasantly enjoying my morning coffee untroubled and observe what answers others come up with. 

[Sunmaster]

20 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

Perhaps your best contribution thus far, save the frogs.  I hadn't heard that wonderful tune before.  Mick seems to be struggling for understanding.  He ain't alone.

Human suffering . . . why do we experience it?  For surely if God existed he would never have allowed it.  And since it is allowed and if God does exist then he is either twisted or has created a faulty universe.  So goes the rationale and the conclusions drawn that are often expressed here.

Why is suffering allowed and why do we experience it?  If there's a reason and purpose for everything then must there be a good reason and purpose for suffering as well?  Before I offer my two cents I'll sit back whilst pleasantly enjoying my morning coffee untroubled and observe what answers others come up with. 

5am, rise and shine Tippaporn! 

 

I'll have a go. I think suffering is a consequence of being out of tune with the cosmic harmony and the illusion of being a separated, limited entity.

 

Need to be short...coffee is getting cold.

 

[save the frogs]

4 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

Perhaps your best contribution thus far, save the frogs. 

it ain't over til the fat lady sings.

 

 

[Tippaporn]

44 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

it ain't over til the fat lady sings.

 

 

"Our own science instruments are constrained to 3 dimensions."

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That's a teeny weensy bit of a problem, no? 

[Tippaporn]

4 hours ago, Sunmaster said:

5am, rise and shine Tippaporn! 

 

I'll have a go. I think suffering is a consequence of being out of tune with the cosmic harmony and the illusion of being a separated, limited entity.

 

Need to be short...coffee is getting cold.

I'm getting tuned today listening to my daughter's piano performance at a concert this afternoon.  And then it's off to The Londoner restaurant in Suan Luang, Bangkok, to celebrate my daughter's recent morphing into a farang.  She just received her 1st British passport this past Tuesday and is now officially a British citizen.  We're truly an international family now . . . Thai, German, British and multiple representatives of the Great Cat Kingdom.  Just goes to show that cosmic harmony can be achieved.   

[Woof999]

On 5/20/2023 at 6:55 AM, Red Phoenix said:

@mauGR1 > Female humans giving birth is indeed often a very painful process. 

But that's absolutely nothing compared with what a spotted hyena experiences when giving birth.  Females of this species give birth through a narrow, penis-like, enlarged clitoris which is ruptured during the process and can take weeks to heal.  

The birth canal of a hyena is only about one inch across, and consequently, many hyena babies do not survive. Suffocation is a frequent occurrence for the cubs, as is the death of first-time hyena mothers.

When she is ready to give birth, the mother essentially needs to squeeze a 2-pound cub through a narrow opening in the hyena birth canal that’s only about an inch in diameter. The problem is compounded by the fact that spotted hyena cubs are among the largest offspring in relation to the mother’s weight throughout the entire animal kingdom.

Females giving birth for the first time die in 9-18% of the cases and their cubs only survive in 25% of the cases. The birthing process itself can last up to 48 hours of excruciating pain.

>> https://a-z-animals.com/blog/hyena-birth-what-makes-it-so-unique/

 

Interesting that (apart from a single emoji), this reply was completely ignored.

[save the frogs]

On 5/19/2023 at 7:55 PM, Red Phoenix said:

But that's absolutely nothing compared with what a spotted hyena experiences when giving birth. 

apologies to any hyena lovers, but those things look evil to me.

so why does god create evil-looking animals?

 

[mauGR1]

1 hour ago, save the frogs said:

apologies to any hyena lovers, but those things look evil to me.

so why does god create evil-looking animals?

 

I have serious doubts there are many hyena lovers, so we should be safe.

In fact, where i come from, a very unpleasant woman is often called "a hyena".

On behalf of the hyenas ( not to be confused with unpleasant women) , i would say that they are useful, as they like to eat carcasses, so despite them not being exactly beautiful, they are undoubtedly environment friendly. 

[Hummin]

Quite amazing animals, and quite enjoyable to follow this guy how he can interact with lions and hyenas. 

 

The more I watch people who interacting with wild animals, the more I am convinced animals is more than what we are thought, just animals.

 

 

[save the frogs]

haha, hyena love.

you are wrong (again) mauGR1. there are hyena lovers out there.

that love affair seems more genuine than any bar girl love.

there was a guy who tried to befriend a bear. it worked for a while, but eventually he got mauled.

 

[mania]

On 5/20/2023 at 11:40 AM, Tippaporn said:

Human suffering . . . why do we experience it?  For surely if God existed he would never have allowed it.

Actually quite the opposite

God not only allowed but creates it & continues to do so daily as it is a creators/ God's free will to do so.

 

God/We are all creators & we create all/ the duality of both good & evil as we like.

 

Sadly though I do think most creators of suffering are like a kid with a high pressure water hose that then lets it loose & enjoys watching the mayhem

Edited May 22, 2023 by mania

[mauGR1]

7 hours ago, save the frogs said:

haha, hyena love.

you are wrong (again) mauGR1. there are hyena lovers out there.

that love affair seems more genuine than any bar girl love.

there was a guy who tried to befriend a bear. it worked for a while, but eventually he got mauled.

 

I don't think i was totally wrong, as you seem so eager to point out.

I said, there are not many " hyena lovers ", which is generally true, with some rare exceptions, secondly, humans generally feel more pain than other animals in giving birth.

Perhaps, ( i didn't bother to check) hyenas feel more pain than humans in giving birth, but I'd guess this is a rare exception. 

[save the frogs]

7 hours ago, mauGR1 said:

I don't think i was totally wrong, as you seem so eager to point out.

just kidding.

you're right. scavengers are needed for the ecosystem.

not sure it's a good idea to try to turn hyenas into cuddly pets though.

it might develop cognitive dissonance, not being sure if it should go back to its vicious self.

 

Edited May 22, 2023 by save the frogs

[mauGR1]

25 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

just kidding.

you're right. scavengers are needed for the ecosystem.

not sure it's a good idea to try to turn hyenas into cuddly pets though.

it might develop cognitive dissonance, not being sure if it should go back to its vicious self.

 

Thanks for your honest reply, in fact, sometimes I'm wrong and I'm happy to be corrected. 

That said, i won't call hyenas ( or any other animals) vicious. 

As far as i know, animals obey to their own instincts, and they have no idea about good and bad.

 

[save the frogs]

15 minutes ago, mauGR1 said:

As far as i know, animals obey to their own instincts, and they have no idea about good and bad.

just went on youtube.

an elephant killed a lion because the lion had killed it's baby.

animals, like humans, do get revenge. 

but most killing is based on survival.

animals attacking each other in the wild is evidence that the world can be a sick place, if you ask me. 

 

Edited May 22, 2023 by save the frogs

[mauGR1]

1 hour ago, save the frogs said:

just went on youtube.

an elephant killed a lion because the lion had killed it's baby.

animals, like humans, do get revenge. 

but most killing is based on survival.

animals attacking each other in the wild is evidence that the world can be a sick place, if you ask me. 

 

That's what religion, spirituality and meditation are about, I'd guess.

Once one ends up in the wrong bar, the best thing to do is try to get out of there ????

As for your story about the elephant, most, if not all animals are wired to defend their little babies at the cost of death, but interesting nonetheless the belated revenge. 

 

[Taboo2]

Based on current calculations, God is 38 billion years old....and I could be wrong based on the latest input from James Webb Telescope....so, WTF is he doing?  Playing video games or reviewing everyone who died's life history before sending us to hell?