Do you believe in God and why

[Hummin]

3 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

A shade of gold and white with light blue lines.

I like to cheat in life (I read Seth to get answers, too) so I uploaded the image to an online colour analyser.  It confirmed what I was seeing     Of course I've always been one to trust my lying eyes. 

Interesting, Im the only one seeing the dress as black and blue so far.

[Hummin]

21 minutes ago, Hummin said:

Interesting, Im the only one seeing the dress as black and blue so far.

Anyway, here is one explanation

 

 

When “the dress” went viral in 2015, millions were divided on its true colors: gold and white or black and blue? In a new study, New York University neuroscientist Pascal Wallisch concludes that these differences in perception are due to our assumptions about how the dress was illuminated

 

Read more

https://www.nyu.edu/about/news-publications/news/2017/april/why-did-we-see-_the-dress-differently--the-answer-lies-in-the-sh.html#:~:text=Those who thought that the,it as black and blue.

[Hummin]

5 minutes ago, Hummin said:

Anyway, here is one explanation

 

 

When “the dress” went viral in 2015, millions were divided on its true colors: gold and white or black and blue? In a new study, New York University neuroscientist Pascal Wallisch concludes that these differences in perception are due to our assumptions about how the dress was illuminated

 

Read more

https://www.nyu.edu/about/news-publications/news/2017/april/why-did-we-see-_the-dress-differently--the-answer-lies-in-the-sh.html#:~:text=Those who thought that the,it as black and blue.

Interesting, Im not an night owl, and true colours is blue and black

 

 

https://www.livescience.com/50842-dress-debate-color-perception.html

 

[save the frogs]

3 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

Thank the good Lord Seth stresses the power and importance of the individual.  I'm a leader who has no followers.  Just as it should be.

haha

lee iacocco(?), a CEO, said "lead, follow, or get out of the way."

 

[save the frogs]

6 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

"The problem with drugs is too much freedom creates too many addicts who ruin their lives."

So too freedom is the culprit?  55555555555  A classic misdiagnosis.

regarding drugs, a lot of rap stars and rock stars are making drugs cool.

and people get influenced by them.

so freedom + cultural art influences

you could argue some drugs are useful, but realistically unless you're a shaman in Peru you're probably not using drugs for anything productive. 

 

[Hummin]

8 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

regarding drugs, a lot of rap stars and rock stars are making drugs cool.

and people get influenced by them.

so freedom + cultural art influences

you could argue some drugs are useful, but realistically unless you're a shaman in Peru you're probably not using drugs for anything productive. 

 

Some minds function better on drugs, but very few manage a healthy balance or find their optimal functions on drugs. 

 

There is a few keys to a good start for a healthy self medication

 

1. Enough quality sleep

Best way to reach quality sleep, medition before bed time, and creating the same sleep pattern for every night, using positive thoughts and story telling for your self until fall asleep. A travel story works best for me.

 

2. Clean food

 

3. Enough movement 

 

4. Clean environment

 

5. Appreciate your surroundings 

Edited May 28, 2023 by Hummin

[Tippaporn]

47 minutes ago, Hummin said:

 

We all like the idea of no leaders and total freedom, but we also know how that ends with tha nature of of no laws, no strings, no control? Reset is only solution, and reset is the absolute form of power given from Nature. We only bear the responsibillity for now to execute power, be it on individual plan or through society. 

 

Better ideas than what Nature have set for us? Yes we need better executition of Natures will, terms and laws, but as humans we do forget and we do stretch everything to its limits, and even there sometimes seems no limits, there Is limits set by Nature ????

 

Top of the food chain is a grey area, but you have to agree, most of us who is here, had chances no other humans had in their life before us. At least I feel it that way coming from where I come from. Not saying spiritually seen, but as a place where I could find my way without to much struggle. 

 

I have very little influence on my surroundings because they are overloaded with crap and bearely manage their own lifes without running from one place to another before they realize it is to late to do something with it, even I see your point where this is my reality only. 

 

Most humans needs a dissaster to hit them to change perspective, and also be willing to learn how to live again, so you can say, every human have to at least die one time before change can start which gives Jesus death and uprise a meaning. 

 

For me, most important is who I am to those I care for and love, not what I think I can give or create to hummanity on a bigger scale. Im not that kind of a man Like Alexander or Elon., Im me here right now present im my own reality for my own and mine. 

"We all like the idea of no leaders and total freedom, but we also know how that ends with tha nature of of no laws, no strings, no control?"

Well of course you need laws in a society that is largely corrupt.  Of all the poignant and wise quotes of America's founding fathers, and there are a lot of them, here's my favourite as it is the one most apt for our times, which I have come to call The Age Of Corruption.  History is filled with ages for this, that and the other.  The Stone Age, the Bronze Age, the Iron Age, the Middle Ages, the Age Of Discovery, the Protestant Reformation, the Renaissance of the 15th & 16th centuries, the Enlightenment of the 1650s to 1780s, the Scientific Revolution from 1640 to the 18th century, the Age Of Revolution from 1750 to 1917, the Romantic Era from the 1790s through 1850s, the Industrial Revolution from the 1750s to 1900, the Gilded Age from 1870 to 1900, the Information Age from 1971 to present.  And currently we have the Age Of Corruption.  Don't laugh.  It's no joke and it isn't even hyperbole.  It may well be coined as such by future historians.

“Neither the wisest constitution nor the wisest laws will secure the liberty and happiness of a people whose manners are universally corrupt."

- Samuel Adams 1748

Adams use of "corruption" did not mean simply graft, money laundering, human trafficking, and all of the other usual and common forms which corruption takes.  He was referring to the corruption of the soul.  So it's plain to see that constitutions, laws, rules and regulations are useless in combating corruption when it involves the human soul.

Unfortunately, so many short sighted people begin to misdiagnose the various and myriad manifestations which this type of corruption must produce.  Guns become the problem and not the people who pull the trigger.  Too much freedom is to blame.  Not enough control is the culprit.  And not a goddamned one ever considers the thoughts, ideas and beliefs in play.  For there is your true and only culprit.

And just as unfortunate, you can't seem to get anyone to understand what thoughts are, what ideas are, where they come from, or what the produce.  Very, very few people grasp the power of ideas.  Most believe ideas, thoughts and beliefs are inert.  They believe have zero effect and naught to do with the reality which confronts them, slaps them hard in the face at times.

"Better ideas than what Nature have set for us?"

Nature sets no ideas for us.  Nature can only provide a grand example which we might follow, were we astute enough to interpret nature's wisdom.  Neither does God command us.  God has set us free.  Free to do as we please.  To create heaven or hell on earth per our choosing.  Nothing is denied us in this world.  Both the noble and ignoble and everything which lies between.

"Yes we need better executition of Natures will, terms and laws . . . "

Another misdiagnosis, my dear Hummin.  It assumes that we have all the answers and our only failure is in their execution.  We need to dispense with false ideas.  Full stop.  We need to adopt true ideas.  Full stop.  I don't know where your resistance comes from, Hummin, to even attempt to consider the notion that ideas create.  But I can guarantee that until you recognise the fact that they create in this world you will forever be in a fog trying to understand why we're here and what to do that would bring us to where we want to go.

"Top of the food chain is a grey area, but you have to agree, most of us who is here, had chances no other humans had in their life before us. At least I feel it that way coming from where I come from. Not saying spiritually seen, but as a place where I could find my way without to much struggle."

Human comforts isn't the goal of life.  Nor is it of grand importance.  Wasn't it you that had, in another post, quipped the Pink Floyd line about "comfortably numb?"

This world is create, literally with ideas.  That is the rule and that is the law.  Every idea produces a result.  Full stop.  If one doesn't like the experience they are creating using their current ideas then there needs to be a change of ideas.  Nothing can change unless the idea is changed first.  Full stop.  If your idea of better execution means using the same ideas which created the mess in the first place, just executing them better, then that advice amounts to little more than rearranging the deck chairs on the fated Titanic.  The ship will still go down.

"Most humans needs a dissaster to hit them to change perspective, and also be willing to learn how to live again, so you can say, every human have to at least die one time before change can start which gives Jesus death and uprise a meaning."

Growth is not meant to involve pain.  Growth is meant to be not only pleasant but effortless.  Just as effortless as, for instance, the unfolding of events which brought me to Thailand.  I lifted nary a finger and yet I achieved the manifestation of one of my dearest desires.  No one has to die even once before change can start.  Poppycock!  No has to to suffer.  The purpose of any suffering is for one reason only - to change your course.

Anyway, since you were quick to reply, Hummin, I thought I'd reply before I drop back off for awhile. 

[Tippaporn]

51 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

haha

lee iacocco(?), a CEO, said "lead, follow, or get out of the way."

I fail to see how Iacocca's quote fits in with what I was talking about.  But it's a wise quote in the case where one has committed to taking a particular all-in direction.

[save the frogs]

6 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

I fail to see how Iacocca's quote fits in with what I was talking about.  But it's a wise quote in the case where one has committed to taking a particular all-in direction.

you said you're a leader with no followers?

[Tippaporn]

39 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

regarding drugs, a lot of rap stars and rock stars are making drugs cool.

and people get influenced by them.

so freedom + cultural art influences

you could argue some drugs are useful, but realistically unless you're a shaman in Peru you're probably not using drugs for anything productive.

I would not recommend drug use to anyone.  Especially pharmaceuticals, unless absolutely necessary.  I've nothing against experimentation with recreational drugs.  After all, I've done my share.    And I've had nothing but excellent experiences with them.  But it depends on what types of drugs.  I've done both peyote and psilocybin mushrooms, both of which are natural.

 

Drugs are a forced alteration of your consciousness.  There are other ways to initiate alterations of consciousness which do not require drugs.  Those types of alterations are initiated purposely and done for a specific purpose.  Forced alterations are only for the purpose of having fun.  Or at least that was my only reason.  Which explains why I've always had excellent experiences with them.

The subject is by no means as black and white as you might want it to be, save the frogs.

And what about alcohol?  Everybody is "cool" with that wonder drug.  Are you an avid drinker, save the frogs?  What's your preference?  Beer, whiskey, vodka, rum, gin, tequila , cognac, wine?  Do you enjoy an apéritif before your meal.  Cocktails at an engagement?  A nightcap before bed?  Do you get wasted at the bar?  Or drink a few beers after work?
 

No one campaigns much against alcohol, though.  Funny that, eh?

[Tippaporn]

23 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

you said you're a leader with no followers?

Not the same as "lead, follow, or get out of the way" as Iacocca meant it.  I lead myself and no other, therefore I can have no followers.  I follow no one as I have no need of leaders.

[Hummin]

1 hour ago, Tippaporn said:

"We all like the idea of no leaders and total freedom, but we also know how that ends with tha nature of of no laws, no strings, no control?"

Well of course you need laws in a society that is largely corrupt.  Of all the poignant and wise quotes of America's founding fathers, and there are a lot of them, here's my favourite as it is the one most apt for our times, which I have come to call The Age Of Corruption.  History is filled with ages for this, that and the other.  The Stone Age, the Bronze Age, the Iron Age, the Middle Ages, the Age Of Discovery, the Protestant Reformation, the Renaissance of the 15th & 16th centuries, the Enlightenment of the 1650s to 1780s, the Scientific Revolution from 1640 to the 18th century, the Age Of Revolution from 1750 to 1917, the Romantic Era from the 1790s through 1850s, the Industrial Revolution from the 1750s to 1900, the Gilded Age from 1870 to 1900, the Information Age from 1971 to present.  And currently we have the Age Of Corruption.  Don't laugh.  It's no joke and it isn't even hyperbole.  It may well be coined as such by future historians.

“Neither the wisest constitution nor the wisest laws will secure the liberty and happiness of a people whose manners are universally corrupt."

- Samuel Adams 1748

Adams use of "corruption" did not mean simply graft, money laundering, human trafficking, and all of the other usual and common forms which corruption takes.  He was referring to the corruption of the soul.  So it's plain to see that constitutions, laws, rules and regulations are useless in combating corruption when it involves the human soul.

Unfortunately, so many short sighted people begin to misdiagnose the various and myriad manifestations which this type of corruption must produce.  Guns become the problem and not the people who pull the trigger.  Too much freedom is to blame.  Not enough control is the culprit.  And not a goddamned one ever considers the thoughts, ideas and beliefs in play.  For there is your true and only culprit.

And just as unfortunate, you can't seem to get anyone to understand what thoughts are, what ideas are, where they come from, or what the produce.  Very, very few people grasp the power of ideas.  Most believe ideas, thoughts and beliefs are inert.  They believe have zero effect and naught to do with the reality which confronts them, slaps them hard in the face at times.

"Better ideas than what Nature have set for us?"

Nature sets no ideas for us.  Nature can only provide a grand example which we might follow, were we astute enough to interpret nature's wisdom.  Neither does God command us.  God has set us free.  Free to do as we please.  To create heaven or hell on earth per our choosing.  Nothing is denied us in this world.  Both the noble and ignoble and everything which lies between.

"Yes we need better executition of Natures will, terms and laws . . . "

Another misdiagnosis, my dear Hummin.  It assumes that we have all the answers and our only failure is in their execution.  We need to dispense with false ideas.  Full stop.  We need to adopt true ideas.  Full stop.  I don't know where your resistance comes from, Hummin, to even attempt to consider the notion that ideas create.  But I can guarantee that until you recognise the fact that they create in this world you will forever be in a fog trying to understand why we're here and what to do that would bring us to where we want to go.

"Top of the food chain is a grey area, but you have to agree, most of us who is here, had chances no other humans had in their life before us. At least I feel it that way coming from where I come from. Not saying spiritually seen, but as a place where I could find my way without to much struggle."

Human comforts isn't the goal of life.  Nor is it of grand importance.  Wasn't it you that had, in another post, quipped the Pink Floyd line about "comfortably numb?"

This world is create, literally with ideas.  That is the rule and that is the law.  Every idea produces a result.  Full stop.  If one doesn't like the experience they are creating using their current ideas then there needs to be a change of ideas.  Nothing can change unless the idea is changed first.  Full stop.  If your idea of better execution means using the same ideas which created the mess in the first place, just executing them better, then that advice amounts to little more than rearranging the deck chairs on the fated Titanic.  The ship will still go down.

"Most humans needs a dissaster to hit them to change perspective, and also be willing to learn how to live again, so you can say, every human have to at least die one time before change can start which gives Jesus death and uprise a meaning."

Growth is not meant to involve pain.  Growth is meant to be not only pleasant but effortless.  Just as effortless as, for instance, the unfolding of events which brought me to Thailand.  I lifted nary a finger and yet I achieved the manifestation of one of my dearest desires.  No one has to die even once before change can start.  Poppycock!  No has to to suffer.  The purpose of any suffering is for one reason only - to change your course.

Anyway, since you were quick to reply, Hummin, I thought I'd reply before I drop back off for awhile. 

I see alot of conflicting statements in your post, and might need to re read it later with another perspective. 

 

Seems you and me have different illusion about human kind, and how fragile we are to being just humans, and not machines. We have feelings, and creating patterns based on feelings, not common sense. 

 

What about our dna memory and instincts? How do Seth see our primal instincts? He aknownledge our prehistoric memory? 

Edited May 28, 2023 by Hummin

[Tippaporn]

59 minutes ago, Hummin said:

I see alot of conflicting statements in your post, and might need to re read it later with another perspective. 

 

Seems you and me have different illusion about human kind, and how fragile we are to being just humans, and not machines. We have feelings, and creating patterns based on feelings, not common sense. 

 

What about our dna memory and instincts? How do Seth see our primal instincts? He aknownledge our prehistoric memory? 

Well, certainly do point out the conflicting statements.  That would be interesting.

"Humans are fragile" is a belief about reality and not a condition of reality.  Humans are quite resilient.

"We have feelings, and creating patterns based on feelings, not common sense."

I have said many time, Hummin, that feelings are produced by thoughts.  I have told folks many times as well that to prove this to one's self is one of the easiest things to prove.  All one has to do is think a thought and see what corresponding emotion is produced.  But it is not the other way around.  What you say is in truth completely backwards.  Seth has discussed this over and over again.  Emotion is always a consequence of thought.  Full stop.  So far you have refused to consider this critically important point and have refused to try this simplest of exercises which I suggest.  For if you had tried the exercise you wouldn't be now expressing the opposite.

Now it is true that people can allow their emotions to dictate their actions yet that is only an appearance.  They are still acting in accordance with their thoughts.  And no doubt the confusion on this issue is due to the inability of people to make the connection between their thoughts and feelings.  Emotions can be overwhelming to the point where the thoughts may not be so clearly recognised as the individual is so intensely focused on the emotion and not the thoughts.

Take fear, for instance.  Fear can and often does produce intense emotions.  The intensity of the emotions then inhibits any rational thoughts that would counteract the thoughts which produce the fear.  Rationality goes out the window, as does common sense.    Irrational fear is, in essence, nonsensical.  For anyone experiencing intense fear do not expect common sense or intelligence to save you.  The fear makes them largely inoperative and useless.  Have you ever heard the advice to never make a decision when you are fearful?  The advice is due to the recognition that fear clouds judgment which many people have come to understand clearly.

Depression is no different.  Common sense gets quickly tossed out the window as well when a person succumbs to dark thoughts.  Depression is very much a mental process which involves a great deal of associative thinking.  One dark thought leads to another which leads to another.  There is no time sequence involved.  Depression is irrational and nonsensical, too.

"What about our dna memory and instincts? How do Seth see our primal instincts? He aknownledge our prehistoric memory?"

That's not light subject matter.  It's too late in the evening for me to even attempt some type of rudimentary explanation and, as I said, tomorrow I'm back to the grindstone for the foreseeable future.

 

Edited May 28, 2023 by Tippaporn

[Hummin]

27 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

Well, certainly do point out the conflicting statements.  That would be interesting.

"Humans are fragile" is a belief about reality and not a condition of reality.  Humans are quite resilient.

"We have feelings, and creating patterns based on feelings, not common sense."

I have said many time, Hummin, that feelings are produced by thoughts.  I have told folks many times as well that to prove this to one's self is one of the easiest things to prove.  All one has to do is think a thought and see what corresponding emotion is produced.  But it is not the other way around.  What you say is in truth completely backwards.  Seth has discussed this over and over again.  Emotion is always a consequence of thought.  Full stop.  So far you have refused to consider this critically important point and have refused to try this simplest of exercises which I suggest.  For if you had tried the exercise you wouldn't be now expressing the opposite.

Now it is true that people can allow their emotions to dictate their actions yet that is only an appearance.  They are still acting in accordance with their thoughts.  And no doubt the confusion on this issue is due to the inability of people to make the connection between their thoughts and feelings.  Emotions can be overwhelming to the point where the thoughts may not be so clearly recognised as the individual is so intensely focused on the emotion and not the thoughts.

Take fear, for instance.  Fear can and often does produce intense emotions.  The intensity of the emotions then inhibits any rational thoughts that would counteract the thoughts which produce the fear.  Rationality goes out the window, as does common sense.    Irrational fear is, in essence, nonsensical.  For anyone experiencing intense fear do not expect common sense or intelligence to save you.  The fear makes them largely inoperative and useless.  Have you ever heard the advice to never make a decision when you are fearful?  The advice is due to the recognition that fear clouds judgment which many people have come to understand clearly.

Depression is no different.  Common sense gets quickly tossed out the window as well when a person succumbs to dark thoughts.  Depression is very much a mental process which involves a great deal of associative thinking.  One dark thought leads to another which leads to another.  There is no time sequence involved.  Depression is irrational and nonsensical, too.

"What about our dna memory and instincts? How do Seth see our primal instincts? He aknownledge our prehistoric memory?"

That's not light subject matter.  It's too late in the evening for me to even attempt some type of rudimentary explanation and, as I said, tomorrow I'm back to the grindstone for the foreseeable future.

 

I know quite abit og fear hand thought processes, but we just agree fto not agree, because you are so sure you are right, and there is nothing that will rock with your belief. 

 

I wonder why you are so sure, and I have a clue, but we need to conversate in a but more educational manner where we try to listen to each other instead of claiming the other part is wrong.

 

Have a good night ????

 

 

[save the frogs]

3 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

Are you an avid drinker, save the frogs?  What's your preference? 

No.

 

Why people drink:

- It actually tastes good. 

- People are sheep. Monkey see, monkey do. If it becomes the cultural norm, then people try to fit in.

- Letting loose is an easy alternative to developing a skill and talent to keep yourself occupied.

- They hate their jobs. So they let loose on weekends. It's best to get out of a crappy job. 

- Too much idleness and boredom. You need to stay busy. 

- Depression. You need to learn to manage your life.

- Not enough time spent in nature

- Not enough physical activity, which keeps us vibrant. 

 

But realistically, maybe people drink because our lives are boring, we're too confined in a straightjacket being forced to be serious all the time at work and paying the bills. 

 

Regarding being in nature, this lady suggests that human beings are electro-magnetic beings that need to be in nature.

We're living in concrete jungles which is not healthy. 

 

 

Edited May 28, 2023 by save the frogs

[save the frogs]

12 hours ago, Hummin said:

Some minds function better on drugs

my mind works fine without drugs.

i'm good, thanks.

[Tippaporn]

10 hours ago, Hummin said:

I know quite abit og fear hand thought processes, but we just agree fto not agree, because you are so sure you are right, and there is nothing that will rock with your belief. 

 

I wonder why you are so sure, and I have a clue, but we need to conversate in a but more educational manner where we try to listen to each other instead of claiming the other part is wrong.

 

Have a good night ????

Again, I'm back to the grindstone and for how long I can't say.  To say I have no time to reply could not be true as I do not work from the moment my eyes open in the morning until they close again at night.  To be sure, though, I do have limited time.  I can certainly eek out time to continue this one conversation.  But I obviously cannot post like a maniac any longer, replying to every post to which I may have much to say. 

And so, Hummin, if you would like to continue this conversation I would like for you to expound on all of the contradictions which you perceived in that post of mine.  For that would be an excellent starting point in which we can clear up some of the confusion which exists between us.  Are you agreeable to that idea?

[Tippaporn]

17 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

my mind works fine without drugs.

i'm good, thanks.

Ditto.  I believe that it may appear that some minds work better with drugs but that is nothing more than an appearance.  The statement is quite false.  Consciousness is more than well equipped to deal with it's reality.  Manufactured drugs do more damage, which goes largely unnoticed, than most everyone is aware of.  I would seriously rethink that idea, Hummin.

[Tippaporn]

32 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

my mind works fine without drugs.

i'm good, thanks.

BTW, save the frogs.  You see dangers in drugs and there most certainly are.  Overall I tend to agree with you on this issue.  Overall, drug use is not a good idea. 

I do have time for some quick one-liners as well. 

[save the frogs]

12 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

I do have time for some quick one-liners as well. 

lolz

[Tippaporn]

6 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

lolz

A hearty laugh from the boy who cried wolf how many times now? 

[save the frogs]

16 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

A hearty laugh from the boy who cried wolf how many times now?

your posts are rather lengthy.

my time management is off already and this forum takes up a lot of time.

 

[save the frogs]

14 hours ago, Hummin said:

3. Enough movement 

I just started doing Tai Chi.

I tried meditation in the past, but never had the patience. I hated it.

But Tai Chi is cool. I wish I had done this years ago.

Movement ,, but graceful movement ... try it man!

Not sure what it does to the body though 

[Tippaporn]

1 hour ago, save the frogs said:

your posts are rather lengthy.

my time management is off already and this forum takes up a lot of time.

Not as lengthy as some of the videos you post.  Everyone has time for what they want to make time for, true?  People understand what all of the acceptable excuses are.  And while they know their excuses are oftentimes BS they understand that others readily accept them unquestioningly at face value.

Education isn't free, ya know.  Maybe it doesn't cost you any greenbacks but any education requires time.  Some might reason, "I don't like learning because it just takes too much damn time."    You get out what you put in.  No more, no less.  Education always produces valuable benefits. 

[Tippaporn]

1 hour ago, save the frogs said:

your posts are rather lengthy.

my time management is off already and this forum takes up a lot of time.

Just admit it, save the frogs.  You're already a permanent fixture here.  The only way you'll ever disappear is if they sell the place.   

[Tippaporn]

4 hours ago, save the frogs said:

my mind works fine without drugs.

i'm good, thanks.

Just as alcohol is ignored by those screaming about recreational drugs so too are pharmaceuticals ignored.  Isn't that curious?  Beliefs, folks, beliefs.  No one is considering the role beliefs play, especially in the medical complex.  The number of psychological maladies which are now getting official medical recognition with their own special names assigned to them is truly scary to behold.  And for each one there is a pill that's been developed which one can pop to mitigate it.  Not cure it but only mitigate it.  So very, very few ever think to ask themselves whether there's a connection to their thoughts and beliefs.  Some, sorry for mentioning you specifically Hummin, absolutely refuse to consider that a connection exists and without any research of their own call the idea poppycock and dismiss it.  What a damn foolish shame.

"If modern medicine truly was the miracle it is claimed to be, then Americans ought to be among the healthiest people in the world."

 

Edited May 29, 2023 by Tippaporn

[Hummin]

7 hours ago, save the frogs said:

my mind works fine without drugs.

i'm good, thanks.

I would appreciate you quotet my whole statement ????

 

Some minds function better on drugs, but very few manage a healthy balance or find their optimal functions on drugs. 

 

Drugs be it recreational or prescriptet Drugs. 

[DualSportBiker]

On 4/15/2019 at 1:13 PM, CMNightRider said:

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him shall not perish, but have everlasting life. (KJV)

 

What is note worthy, is there are no atheist in hell.  Everyone in hell knows the truth, they just learned it too late.  It only takes 70 hours to read the Bible.  It will be the most important book you will ever read. ????

Well, I've read it cover to cover several times. I found it to be criminally immoral. It's the least important book I have ever read, including the Hungry Caterpillar. FYI, quoting the bible to non-believers is never going to work...

 

[Hummin]

7 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

Again, I'm back to the grindstone and for how long I can't say.  To say I have no time to reply could not be true as I do not work from the moment my eyes open in the morning until they close again at night.  To be sure, though, I do have limited time.  I can certainly eek out time to continue this one conversation.  But I obviously cannot post like a maniac any longer, replying to every post to which I may have much to say. 

And so, Hummin, if you would like to continue this conversation I would like for you to expound on all of the contradictions which you perceived in that post of mine.  For that would be an excellent starting point in which we can clear up some of the confusion which exists between us.  Are you agreeable to that idea?

Im here now for a little time as well, and your lenghty posts takes time to absorb, read a little or just digest one way or the other. I have to say, I have more a feeling about your posts while Im reading, than really manage to take all in and evaluate them because they are so absolute in terms of conviction from your side. There is nothing to discuss or try to see it in another light. As well how you manage to mix in ages as corruption never have been an issue since we managed to exchange food for protection or other services. 

 

I also stand by my fragile humans, but they can be strong if many enough go the same way and trust the leadership, one person alone, will never be stronger than its weakest point, and Im sure you will agree if you think about it. 

 

Every fraction of humanity is quite complex, and I thought I liked to simplifie short conclusions, but I do not feel alone anymore, except some others using pages where it could have been said in a few sentences ????

 

New ideas is good but Im not so fan of new ideologies, since we manage to corrupt even the most clean thoughts in exchange for others. I stand with my simple statment, Nature have given us everything we need to know to exist on this planet, and as you said set a prime example of how we should interact with all beings, but we fail because we do not respect Nature enough, even we are completely in Natures hand, and can not survive without. 

 

There will always be an opposite pole to everything so for one idea, there will be ,,,,,,,,,,,,,, ,,,,,,,,,, 

 

 

Im not so sure drugs are trustworthy portal openers, even many believe in it, I just cant, even I have first hand experience and know people who do it for those purposes, I cant see it helped them to be more enlightenend, except they dig deeper without caring to much of their surroundings. Call it a total ego trip and also in many cases self medication and a escape from reality. 

 

What never stops amusing me or amazing me, is how there is a red line when it comes to religion and spiriuality, where the same techniches are used, the same argumentation re used over and over again and again, as well how superior some feel when they find the one who fits them. 

 

 

 

 

[Tippaporn]

1 hour ago, Hummin said:

Im here now for a little time as well, and your lenghty posts takes time to absorb, read a little or just digest one way or the other. I have to say, I have more a feeling about your posts while Im reading, than really manage to take all in and evaluate them because they are so absolute in terms of conviction from your side. There is nothing to discuss or try to see it in another light. As well how you manage to mix in ages as corruption never have been an issue since we managed to exchange food for protection or other services. 

 

I also stand by my fragile humans, but they can be strong if many enough go the same way and trust the leadership, one person alone, will never be stronger than its weakest point, and Im sure you will agree if you think about it. 

 

Every fraction of humanity is quite complex, and I thought I liked to simplifie short conclusions, but I do not feel alone anymore, except some others using pages where it could have been said in a few sentences ????

 

New ideas is good but Im not so fan of new ideologies, since we manage to corrupt even the most clean thoughts in exchange for others. I stand with my simple statment, Nature have given us everything we need to know to exist on this planet, and as you said set a prime example of how we should interact with all beings, but we fail because we do not respect Nature enough, even we are completely in Natures hand, and can not survive without. 

 

There will always be an opposite pole to everything so for one idea, there will be ,,,,,,,,,,,,,, ,,,,,,,,,, 

 

 

Im not so sure drugs are trustworthy portal openers, even many believe in it, I just cant, even I have first hand experience and know people who do it for those purposes, I cant see it helped them to be more enlightenend, except they dig deeper without caring to much of their surroundings. Call it a total ego trip and also in many cases self medication and a escape from reality. 

 

What never stops amusing me or amazing me, is how there is a red line when it comes to religion and spiriuality, where the same techniches are used, the same argumentation re used over and over again and again, as well how superior some feel when they find the one who fits them.

"I see alot of conflicting statements in your post, and might need to re read it later with another perspective."

So I take it you'll never point out what you see as conflicting?  I expected as much.  But I'm sure you'd tell me that it's for me to figure out and not for you to tell me.  You're much more slippery than an eel, Hummin.  And, in my opinion, not very honest, either. 

 

There's just a few comments I'll make to some of the things you wrote before I leave you to yourself.

"New ideas is good but Im not so fan of new ideologies . . . "

Learning how reality works is not an ideology, Hummin.  I say thoughts produce feelings and you say that's an ideology.  That's why I say you're not very honest, Hummin.  You twist so much up like a pretzel and it never ceases to mystify me how someone can come to so many erroneous and irrational conclusions.

". . . your posts . . . are so absolute in terms of conviction from your side."

If I were to tell you how to form a piece of metal, and I had great experience and success with that, and you didn't know much about forming metal, and to boot you had some erroneous ideas about the process by which metal is formed, and you gave me your idea, and your idea had no basis in the laws which govern metal forming, and thus without any basis had no chance of working, and I'd correct you, and you'd continue with your idea, and I then became insistent as to how to do it, you would take exception with the absolute conviction I expressed as I told you, with utter confident insistence, what works and even thoroughly explained to you, every which way from Sunday, why it works as it does in minute detail.  Not only would you take exception to my confidence and conviction but you would also, by implication, deny that I know what I'm talking about.  And to add insult to injury you would also say that I believed myself to be superior - better than you - simply because I knew what you did not.

Do you see how you twist it all up?  Don't bother answering.  And I know you never would give a direct and honest answer anyway.  The question is actually rhetorical.  Because I already know your answer.  You'd avoid the question and start in with your go to response to everything:  "Nature have given us everything we need to know to exist on this planet, etc., etc., etc."

Sorry, Hummin, but that's your problem, not mine.  You can believe all you like whatever it is you like to believe and that's fine by me.  You're the one who ultimately has to deal with the reality of your own creations.

Anyway, thanks for the reply because it tells me that I won't have to carve out any time to discuss this or anything else with you.  I know you're an idealist.  I know you have a good heart.  I know you're a good man.  I know you're a worthy man.  A deserving man.  And you deserve all that is good and wonderful in life.  I tell you that with just as much conviction as I tell you anything else.  But goddamn, I ain't traveling in endless circles with you any longer.  Peace, brother.  And rotsa ruck.



Edit:  Just one other device that you love to use.  If someone doesn't agree with you and pushes back on you then you claim they're not listening.  Only when someone agrees are they listening.  But you always manage to turn what is your problem into someone else having the problem.

 

Edited May 29, 2023 by Tippaporn