Do you believe in God and why

[thaibeachlovers]

4 hours ago, Hummin said:

That I really do not know, I it can be true, as much it can be wishful thinking. Im not ready to separate us from the animals yet, even we from our point of view seems superior, but that could be because we just do not know better. Other animals also live complexed lifes and communicate with each other, even they do not write poems as far we know. Well at least we know they do not write them literally ????????

 

Hover as said, many specious live complex lives and know to build complex structures, as well perform complex mating rituals. 

Our bodies are animal, but our minds are not.

I guess genetic memory keeps us in a bad place ( war/ greed etc ), but we have the ability to reach the stars with what is in our heads if we could get over our animal side.

[thaibeachlovers]

13 hours ago, Hummin said:

If there is a god, a good force, consensus will they be able to stop the potential nuclear war? 
 

If they/them/it/he/she can do, why not do they interfere? 
 

If you are an believer in an almighty creative god, why do they not interfere and stop this craziness? 
 

Doesnt this put your faith to an ultimate test? 
 

Nature do not care, nature goes on whatever happens, and change is not a decision, it is created by randomly happenings changing the environment and it adopts. 
 

What do you think?

God created everything, therefore everything is of equal importance ie dinosaurs, viruses, humans are all equal in creation. What happens happens, because that's the way it was created.

 

Nature is God. Nature is not random. It works by feedback ie when humans cut down all the trees on hills, it rains and the hills fall down and kill humans.

[mauGR1]

49 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

God created everything, therefore everything is of equal importance ie dinosaurs, viruses, humans are all equal in creation. What happens happens, because that's the way it was created.

 

Nature is God. Nature is not random. It works by feedback ie when humans cut down all the trees on hills, it rains and the hills fall down and kill humans.

Well, i don't quite agree that all creatures are the same, as we can see huge differences in the consciousness of various beings, from microbes to mammals. While humans are " technically " evolved mammals, they have the potential to regulate the stream of consciousness from 0 to infinite. 

I agree thus that as humans we have the collective power to transform this earth in heaven or hell.

Given the apparent fact that most human's average consciousness is still at the animal level, in some case more reptile than mammal, and that growth of consciousness cannot be imposed, all we can do is to do some energetic work on ourselves. 

[Hummin]

5 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Our bodies are animal, but our minds are not.

I guess genetic memory keeps us in a bad place ( war/ greed etc ), but we have the ability to reach the stars with what is in our heads if we could get over our animal side.

Maybe we are just able to overthink in our search for the truth, and become blind? 

 

5 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

God created everything, therefore everything is of equal importance ie dinosaurs, viruses, humans are all equal in creation. What happens happens, because that's the way it was created.

 

Nature is God. Nature is not random. It works by feedback ie when humans cut down all the trees on hills, it rains and the hills fall down and kill humans.

Asteroide is a random happening and not a planned event for the earth? I think we both agree on this one. Earth adjust to random happenings, yes. 

[Sunmaster]

1 hour ago, Hummin said:

Maybe we are just able to overthink in our search for the truth, and become blind? 

 

Asteroide is a random happening and not a planned event for the earth? I think we both agree on this one. Earth adjust to random happenings, yes. 

Randomness is just unrecognized order. Nothing happens by chance. There's an underlying order in the universe, but since we can not see the connections, we label them as randomness. Yet, the order exists whether we see it or not.

[Hummin]

14 minutes ago, Sunmaster said:

Randomness is just unrecognized order. Nothing happens by chance. There's an underlying order in the universe, but since we can not see the connections, we label them as randomness. Yet, the order exists whether we see it or not.

Thats interesting thinking, because I believe if I have hand full of bouncy balls, and drop them from a fixed hight, there is no fixed order where each and one of them will end up. Everything dependes on so many different uncontrolled factors, such as wind, wind resistant, their shape, ground floor where they hit, texture and many more things right? If the balls landing on lets ants, would you say it is not randomly ants that would be hit, but before it happened, it would already be a decision behind it who and how many who would be impacted? 
 

I understand the big picture of order n the universe, but not on the individual plan! Thats where I am lost. 

[thaibeachlovers]

14 hours ago, Hummin said:

Asteroide is a random happening and not a planned event for the earth? I think we both agree on this one. Earth adjust to random happenings, yes. 

Disagree. As God was able to create the universe, directing an asteroid to hit planet earth is easy peasy stuff. Just as well we don't have a black hole lurking nearby, or the entire solar system might suffer an unfortunate event.

Earth adjusts- of course. Humans could vanish tomorrow and make zero difference to Gaia. The planet would continue, plants would destroy most of what we built, new species emerge. In a million or so years, it would be as if we never existed.

 

[thaibeachlovers]

13 hours ago, Hummin said:

Thats interesting thinking, because I believe if I have hand full of bouncy balls, and drop them from a fixed hight, there is no fixed order where each and one of them will end up. Everything dependes on so many different uncontrolled factors, such as wind, wind resistant, their shape, ground floor where they hit, texture and many more things right? If the balls landing on lets ants, would you say it is not randomly ants that would be hit, but before it happened, it would already be a decision behind it who and how many who would be impacted? 
 

I understand the big picture of order n the universe, but not on the individual plan! Thats where I am lost. 

Actually, if a scientist was involved, they'd probably be able to work out exactly where each ball would land, taking into account of all the forces at work.

Of course, no scientist would waste the time needed, so it's just put down to "randomness".

[vandeventer]

On 4/14/2019 at 10:13 PM, Odysseus123 said:

Sad..really..

I guess most here don't but I am sure they are wrong. All you have to do is look around. The birds the insects, the animals including us and lets not forget the oceans full of much life. Also when the night comes and the sky is full of stars one can only believe in God, as I do.

[Hummin]

32 minutes ago, Road Hog said:

I guess most here don't but I am sure they are wrong. All you have to do is look around. The birds the insects, the animals including us and lets not forget the oceans full of much life. Also when the night comes and the sky is full of stars one can only believe in God, as I do.

God as “uknown” I can agree. To many who are to sure they are right about god, and what god is, and I continue to say as sure as they are, nobody who is walking this planet know the real truth, they believe, thats all. 
 

We know through history how easily we are manipulted, and still we find new truths without any evidence. 
 

I do not doubt there can be a god, but Im not sure either. I am olse quite positive there is no consequences in not believing n any god either. The consequences is made up by humans exploiting human minds in their search for power. Obviously working pretty good, as in our genetic memory, we already fear the unknown. 
 

@Tippaporn are you okay? 

Edited October 12, 2022 by Hummin

[Hummin]

12 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Disagree. As God was able to create the universe, directing an asteroid to hit planet earth is easy peasy stuff. Just as well we don't have a black hole lurking nearby, or the entire solar system might suffer an unfortunate event.

Earth adjusts- of course. Humans could vanish tomorrow and make zero difference to Gaia. The planet would continue, plants would destroy most of what we built, new species emerge. In a million or so years, it would be as if we never existed.

 

Are there other humans like us in the universe? 

[Sunmaster]

6 hours ago, Hummin said:

God as “uknown” I can agree. To many who are to sure they are right about god, and what god is, and I continue to say as sure as they are, nobody who is walking this planet know the real truth, they believe, thats all. 
 

We know through history how easily we are manipulted, and still we find new truths without any evidence. 
 

I do not doubt there can be a god, but Im not sure either. I am olse quite positive there is no consequences in not believing n any god either. The consequences is made up by humans exploiting human minds in their search for power. Obviously working pretty good, as in our genetic memory, we already fear the unknown. 
 

@Tippaporn are you okay? 

There's a big difference between believing and knowing. If you've never seen the ocean and rely on books to get your knowledge about how the ocean looks, the wetness of the water, the smells, the sound of the waves, then this is indirect knowledge. In this case your knowledge is based on a belief in the truthfulness and trustworthiness of the book you've read. We all have vast amounts of indirect knowledge that make up our beliefs. Most of what we know about the physical world stems from indirect knowledge. We trust the scientists and trust that their science is sound.

 

Then there is direct knowledge that comes from first hand experience. In the example above, that would be when you travel to the ocean and experience it in person. Then you truly know about the wetness of the water, the smell and the sounds.

 

When you say "nobody on this planet knows the real truth", I have to disagree. Usually, this statement is quickly followed by "...so don't be delusional to think you know better than I".

If that were true, there would be no distinction between a fool and a sage.

 

You speak about manipulation. A person who relies on indirect knowledge can indeed be manipulated to believe all sorts of things. They could believe that the sea is pink because they read so in a book. Do you think you could be so easily be manipulated if you actually went to see the ocean by yourself? I doubt it. 

 

"Truths without evidence"

What evidence would you need if you saw the color of the ocean with your own eyes? Would you not trust your own experience and rather rely on what someone else thinks it ought to look like?

 

Your last point....

There are indeed consequences for turning away from the Source, but they are not fire and brimstone. The consequences are a feeling of being disconnected, of separation, of walking through life without knowing who you are, selfishness, self-importance, fear etc.

 

Now you see, most people are content with how indirect knowledge makes sense of the world. It takes little effort but it also leaves you open to doubt and thus manipulation.

Others prefer to find out by themselves using direct knowledge/experience. 

You will never know the difference between what a book tells you about the ocean and what someone tells you who actually went there, unless you go to the ocean and find out by yourself. 

 

Does this make sense to you? 

Edited October 12, 2022 by Sunmaster

[Hummin]

19 minutes ago, Sunmaster said:

There's a big difference between believing and knowing. If you've never seen the ocean and rely on books to get your knowledge about how the ocean looks, the wetness of the water, the smells, the sound of the waves, then this is indirect knowledge. In this case your knowledge is based on a belief in the truthfulness and trustworthiness of the book you've read. We all have vast amounts of indirect knowledge that make up our beliefs. Most of what we know about the physical world stems from indirect knowledge. We trust the scientists and trust that their science is sound.

 

Then there is direct knowledge that comes from first hand experience. In the example above, that would be when you travel to the ocean and experience it in person. Then you truly know about the wetness of the water, the smell and the sounds.

 

When you say "nobody on this planet knows the real truth", I have to disagree. Usually, this statement is quickly followed by "...so don't be delusional to think you know better than I".

If that were true, there would be no distinction between a fool and a sage.

 

You speak about manipulation. A person who relies on indirect knowledge can indeed be manipulated to believe all sorts of things. They could believe that the sea is pink because they read so in a book. Do you think you could be so easily be manipulated if you actually went to see the ocean by yourself? I doubt it. 

 

"Truths without evidence"

What evidence would you need if you saw the color of the ocean with your own eyes? Would you not trust your own experience and rather rely on what someone else thinks it ought to look like?

 

Your last point....

There are indeed consequences for turning away from the Source, but they are not fire and brimstone. The consequences are a feeling of being disconnected, of separation, of walking through life without knowing who you are, selfishness, self-importance, fear etc.

 

Now you see, most people are content with how indirect knowledge makes sense of the world. It takes little effort but it also leaves you open to doubt and thus manipulation.

Others prefer to find out by themselves using direct knowledge/experience. 

You will never know the difference between what a book tells you about the ocean and what someone tells you who actually went there, unless you go to the ocean and find out by yourself. 

 

Does this make sense to you? 

One thing, I feel connected to my nature and the nature that surrounds us. Not so much outside planet earth, but I'm fascinated by what we discovered so far, but still so distant. 

 

Personal experiences I'm aware of is strong stuff and no joke to ☺️ But I can't explain it with words, because it is inside me and a good safe place to be. 

[thaibeachlovers]

19 hours ago, Hummin said:

Are there other humans like us in the universe? 

I have no idea but I'm certain there are as many intelligent species as stars in the sky on a dark and moonless night.

For all any know they are clouds of electrified gas or silicone like blobs floating in a sulfurous sea.

[Mark1066]

On 9/22/2022 at 2:39 AM, Black Ops said:

 

Not one single respectable academic refutes the existence of Jesus as a historical figure. Whether one believes he was the son of God is a different matter but anybody that suggests he never existed, loses all credibility.

[thaibeachlovers]

6 hours ago, Mark1066 said:

Not one single respectable academic refutes the existence of Jesus as a historical figure. Whether one believes he was the son of God is a different matter but anybody that suggests he never existed, loses all credibility.

The assault on Jesus by those opposed to Christian religion is entirely understandable. Make him go away and the entire religion is destroyed.

Strange though, that the assault ( especially on this thread ) is almost entirely about Christians, as though millions of believers in other religions don't have the same God, or don't count somehow.

[fusion58]

 

[thaibeachlovers]

4 hours ago, fusion58 said:

 

What has theory got to do with faith? Either you have faith or you don't. If a theory could make one stop believing, one didn't have faith in the first place.

[Hummin]

10 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

What has theory got to do with faith? Either you have faith or you don't. If a theory could make one stop believing, one didn't have faith in the first place.

When you put words to your Faith, and Express your faith to others, it is per definition a theory! 
 

Right or wrong? I would like to hear your opinions

[mauGR1]

10 minutes ago, Hummin said:

When you put words to your Faith, and Express your faith to others, it is per definition a theory! 
 

Right or wrong? I would like to hear your opinions

Faith is beyond the rational, but that's just my opinion. 

However, it may be rational to try to put some Faith somewhere. 

[Hummin]

50 minutes ago, mauGR1 said:

Faith is beyond the rational, but that's just my opinion. 

However, it may be rational to try to put some Faith somewhere. 

Faith can be rational to, I dont see why it can not be, unless you are making things up. 

Edited November 4, 2022 by Hummin

[mauGR1]

44 minutes ago, Hummin said:

Faith can be rational to, I dont see why it can not be, unless you are making things up. 

"complete trust or confidence in someone or something."

this is a definition of faith i found : it has very rarely occurred to me to experience that feeling, and it doesn't last long, but i guess it's different for everyone. 

on the other hand, to believe in the supernatural is logical to me, but i guess that the interpretation of the meaning of logic is quite subjective too.

[Hummin]

50 minutes ago, mauGR1 said:

"complete trust or confidence in someone or something."

this is a definition of faith i found : it has very rarely occurred to me to experience that feeling, and it doesn't last long, but i guess it's different for everyone. 

on the other hand, to believe in the supernatural is logical to me, but i guess that the interpretation of the meaning of logic is quite subjective too.

Explain supernatural? I do not believe in supernatural, except switching a switch to make electic light 1000 years ago, would have been kind of seen as supernatural. 
 

I seriously believe humans have an tendency to see things that is not real, be it your mind trick you as in illusions, and from there make faith mixed with illusions. I believe it is hard to separate those two from each other. Reality versus Illusions! And if you cultivate and breed Illusions it becomes reality for some. 

[mauGR1]

13 minutes ago, Hummin said:

Explain supernatural?

Supernatural cannot be explained, that's why is called Supernatural, or God for some.

And "reality" is subjective to various extents, so it can be said with certainty that "reality" is not the same for everyone. 

I think it's perfectly rational to assume that everyone is a creator, at least partially, of his own reality. 

[Hummin]

24 minutes ago, mauGR1 said:

Supernatural cannot be explained, that's why is called Supernatural, or God for some.

And "reality" is subjective to various extents, so it can be said with certainty that "reality" is not the same for everyone. 

I think it's perfectly rational to assume that everyone is a creator, at least partially, of his own reality. 

Hehe, yes, and back to square one. Indeed creator of our own reality  to some extend. More for some, less for others ????????

Edited November 4, 2022 by Hummin

[mauGR1]

15 minutes ago, Hummin said:

Hehe, yes, and back to square one. Indeed creator of our own reality  to some extend. More for some, less for others ????????

Perhaps i could go off on a tangent and say that " consciousness " is the only reality.. and everything else is a temporary, limited illusion. 

I'm not talking about my consciousness or your consciousness, just consciousness in general. 

Now, if one could imagine all the consciousness which permeates the universe, he could be able to describe God. 

[Hummin]

11 minutes ago, mauGR1 said:

Perhaps i could go off on a tangent and say that " consciousness " is the only reality.. and everything else is a temporary, limited illusion. 

I'm not talking about my consciousness or your consciousness, just consciousness in general. 

Now, if one could imagine all the consciousness which permeates the universe, he could be able to describe God. 

And each and one of us, is another universe as well. Are we the consciousness to those living organisms outside and inside us? 
 

[mauGR1]

13 minutes ago, Hummin said:

And each and one of us, is another universe as well. Are we the consciousness to those living organisms outside and inside us? 
 

As i said many times, studying many types of consciousness is an interesting occupation. 

To answer your question, yes, in part we are the same consciousness which pervades every form of life, minerals, plants, animals, water, fire etc. Other aspects of consciousness are made of more subtle energies, an individual soul, as in a human being, is a unique product of countless forces at work, at times even battling with each other.

Saying that "thought " is electrical impulses produced by the brain is a gross generalization, it's more correct imho to assume that electricity, thought, consciousness are everywhere, every time.

[thaibeachlovers]

12 hours ago, Hummin said:

When you put words to your Faith, and Express your faith to others, it is per definition a theory! 
 

Right or wrong? I would like to hear your opinions

Wrong. God to me is not a theory, ergo faith is a thing, not something to wondered about, or changed.

The only place I discuss faith is on here. Nobody I know is religious or cares about faith enough to have a conversation about it.

[thaibeachlovers]

11 hours ago, Hummin said:

Faith can be rational to, I dont see why it can not be, unless you are making things up. 

LOL. That's the problem with religion, as some make stuff up, or pretend to be religious, or use religion for some other purpose.

The three religions believe in Jehovah God, are good at their basis, but corrupted by men.