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The week that was in Thailand news: Battered and bruised - but Amazing Thailand still knocks Boring Malaysia for six!


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That was an enjoyable read, Rooster. So true about Malaysia. Lucky you survived the drunk and randy cop, sounds like it could have gone either way. The farang smile saved you! I remember a very drunk cop in Bang Paeng up on the Mekong, just firing an automatic he had into the air. Like others, I beat a hasty retreat.

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I spent 8 years in Malaya/Malaysia in the 60s when it was under the benevolent and tolerant rule of Tengku Abdul Rahman and it was nothing like the boring place Rooster describes. After the Tengku retired his successors were nothing like as clever at balancing the different ethnic groups, and there were riots. 

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In defense of the canteen that Crossy so wantonly disparaged, I eat there with him sometimes and whilst not as good as our other alternative, it’s nowhere near as bad as he makes out.

 

And anyway he, like me, can do with losing a few kg, although Method Diaorrhea is not really the best way!

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19 hours ago, rooster59 said:

When I first came here in the early 1980's I figured that a life spent in Thailand was likely to be shorter than one spent in many safer "nanny state" countries. And a life amid the increasing smog, dust and grime of Bangkok was likely to be even shorter still thanks to its effects on my lungs. But I figured it was going to be worth it. I was fond of making comparisons with Malaysia my first ever stop in SE Asia back in 1982. In that country I'd be dead in no time.

 

From sheer boredom. 

 

When The Malaysian tourism authorities touted their "Simply Asia" campaign it didn't look on the surface so different from the Thai's "Amazing Thailand" promotions. There were the smiling tourist faces chomping on BBQ prawns, the stunning beaches and jungles teeming with wildlife, the abundant and colorful native cultures, the welcoming and helpful locals ready to give you the experience of a lifetime...again and again. 

 

The difference was that Malaysia shut at about 7 pm. And woke you up at about 5.30 am with an early morning call from some moaning muezzin in a minaret. In Thailand in my youth you only went out at 11 pm and beddy-byes was early if it was 3 am. Nobody woke you up unless it was a companion you'd met the night before who needed to get back to her kids. In Malaysia the papers were full of the crime of "khalwat" or excessive closeness of people of the opposite sex.

 

I agree - Malaysia IS boring. That, is a given. The upkeep of so-called tourist attractions, public facilities (like toilets), the level of service in general - everything leaves a lot to be desired. And then some. In terms of food, they do have some interesting varieties, mostly ethnic Chinese- and Indian-based dishes. Not so much Malay - I get the impression they are one and the same, just presented in different colours. I could be wrong about Malay food, so I'm keeping an open mind in case someone decides to point me in the 'right direction'. But generally, yes Malaysia is just largely 'flat', for want of a better word, compared with the vibrance, energy and vigour of Bangkok. For the record, I am keeping my focus on Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia's vs Bangkok.

 

But I think you may have painted that sliver of a country a little too broadly. For example, and while the muezzin still moans five times a day - even today - there are many, many places that do not directly receive its wailing broadcasts. Even if you lived near one, closing the windows and sleeping with the air-conditioner on will effectively cancel most of it. In any case, why would anyone not sleep with the air-conditioner on, given the weather in Malaysia?

 

Without knowing where exactly you were when you went to Malaysia, it is hard to judge. Keeping my focus to just Kuala Lumpur, I think not many things close at 1900 hrs there. In fact, life starts after sundown. Even today! And back in the 80s and 90s, it doesn't stop until it is almost dawn. Even today, partying goes on until about 0100 to 0200 hrs. In some pockets outside the city centre, you can continue to drink until you are knocked-out senseless. And decent, warm food can still be had in those wee hours. It isn't as crazy now compared with how it was back in the 80s and 90s, but it still hasn't reached ghost-town status yet.

 

As for the 'Simply Asia' (or did you mean the 'Malaysia Truly Asia' campaign, or were there actually two?), Malaysia is far, far away from being 'truly Asian'. Let's just focus on food - it can't even get its Thai food right, never mind food from other countries in Southeast Asia. Meanwhile, Bangkok is home to (arguably) the best Japanese food out of Japan, for example. It also has a long list of choice western restaurants. And despite the military rule, a night out drinking in Bangkok is so much more fun. You have a long list of clubs, live-bands, jazz clubs speakeasies and so on. On a recent trip there, I asked my friend and host if there was a good jazz bar to check out. He had to scratch his head before coming up with a suggestion, a place we later found out charged an entrance fee of something like THB500!!! To listen to a LOCAL gig at that. In Bangkok, I go to Saxophone Pub regularly and I listen to Koh Saxman (one of the more celebrated sax players in Thailand) play - and they don't charge entrance fees or any crap like that.

 

On culture, I can't see how Malaysia can blow the 'Asian' trumpet either - it can't even unite its own diverse cultures as a single identity - constant bickering about ethnicity and religion happen on a daily basis, let alone dabble in other people's culture and customs. And if its current religionism and excessive ethnic rhetoric is anything to go by, it seems Malaysia is actually regressing.

 

Is Malaysia worth a visit? Yes, for the sake of ticking off that box in your list. And yes, there are many things wrong with Bangkok and Thailand but, apart from that, and from the perspectives of my comment, Malaysia is bloody boring.

 

Edit: Great read, by the way. Cheers.

 

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Farang99 said:

I spent 8 years in Malaya/Malaysia in the 60s when it was under the benevolent and tolerant rule of Tengku Abdul Rahman and it was nothing like the boring place Rooster describes. After the Tengku retired his successors were nothing like as clever at balancing the different ethnic groups, and there were riots. 

Yes, I was too late for this. I arrived in Penang on board a ship from Madras in 1982. Penang still had its saucy side but I was looking for something else.

 

It is, however, one of the countries I have visited the most. First on visa runs about 15 times then later to attend Scrabble tournaments. I won the Asia Pacific Championship in KL in 1998. A few years ago I went on a cycling trip in the highlands there with the greatest Scrabble player in the world who lives in Sentral, KL. But I'm always glad to get back to Ratchayothin...

 

Rooster

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59 minutes ago, Classic Ray said:

In defense of the canteen that Crossy so wantonly disparaged, I eat there with him sometimes and whilst not as good as our other alternative, it’s nowhere near as bad as he makes out.

 

And anyway he, like me, can do with losing a few kg, although Method Diaorrhea is not really the best way!

Some of my best weight loss programs have been accomplished on trips to Sumatra and Sri Lanka. 

 

I avoid five star hotels in Bangkok and eat street food. Generally safer.

 

Rooster

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"I haven't had too many brushes with death..."

And then goes on to describe the exact opposite- 4 close calls on a motorcycle,a gun stuck in his chest and a serious near death medical issue. Risible and Hilarious!

It should occur to Rooster that those ,many with fewer close calls that weren’t so lucky aren’t by definition able to put the other side of the story- particularly the 25,000 who die annually on the roads.

You may well not be around to revise your account following your next close call. Everything is ok until suddenly it isn’t. You only have to be unlucky once.

 

 

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Real bullshit. For me Thailand is the most boring country of all SE Asia. Even the food is boring, Malaysia and Indonesia offer much better food. Big bureaucracy for immigrants, much too much police, and everywhere. In Malaysia you get a stamp in the passport, you can stay 3 months, that's it. The only bad thing in Malaysia is, that beer is too expensive.

Indonesia is also very good once you not go to tourist ghettos like Bali. Excellent food.

Vietnam has good food, beautiful landscapes and women and cheep beer and is safer then Thailand.

 

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7 hours ago, AloisAmrein said:

Real bullshit. For me Thailand is the most boring country of all SE Asia. Even the food is boring, Malaysia and Indonesia offer much better food. Big bureaucracy for immigrants, much too much police, and everywhere. In Malaysia you get a stamp in the passport, you can stay 3 months, that's it. The only bad thing in Malaysia is, that beer is too expensive.

Indonesia is also very good once you not go to tourist ghettos like Bali. Excellent food.

Vietnam has good food, beautiful landscapes and women and cheep beer and is safer then Thailand.

 

You seem to mention food an awful lot. 

 

I would have thought that this was one subject where there was very little doubt that Thailand rules. 

 

You're right about Malaysia's three months' stamps. Though on my most recent visit three days was more than adequate. 

 

Rooster

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7 hours ago, AloisAmrein said:

Real bullshit. For me Thailand is the most boring country of all SE Asia. Even the food is boring, Malaysia and Indonesia offer much better food. Big bureaucracy for immigrants, much too much police, and everywhere. In Malaysia you get a stamp in the passport, you can stay 3 months, that's it. The only bad thing in Malaysia is, that beer is too expensive.

Indonesia is also very good once you not go to tourist ghettos like Bali. Excellent food.

Vietnam has good food, beautiful landscapes and women and cheep beer and is safer then Thailand.

 

 

8 minutes ago, Jane Dough said:

You seem to mention food an awful lot. 

 

I would have thought that this was one subject where there was very little doubt that Thailand rules. 

 

You're right about Malaysia's three months' stamps. Though on my most recent visit three days was more than adequate. 

 

Rooster

I like visiting Malaysia - for the first Moto Gp Races in the region in Sepang, like Langkawi like to make a border run there - but - all for very short period of days alone - or for some more days with a female companion or my sons - family - otherwise - I am fully on Roosters side. ????

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If my guess is correct, I think most farangs here that have visited KL before have never been to Genting Highlands:

 

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This is one of the most popular place where many ethnic Chinese of KL would go to escape the boredom of the shopping malls or the heat once in a while. It's only an hour's drive away from KL or a 12 ringgit bus+cable car ride.

 

The cooling 13 to 22 degrees C weather is definitely a big draw.

 

This place has something for everyone - casinos, restaurants, bars, cafes, malls, indoor and outdoor theme parks, swimming pools, golf course, hiking, prostitutes, loan-sharks etc. 

 

You see, many ethnic Chinese of Malaysia suffer from alcohol flush reaction so we cannot really drink that much, so bar-hopping is not really for us. In addition, we are not really that attracted to dark brown-skin women like you guys.

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I hate Malaysia.  A want a be Singapore. I think it is the worst country in Asia.

Bad food, a total bore and rude people.

Waste of time.

 

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Anyone contemplating a visa run to KL should consider taking a direct bus from KLIA or KLIA2 to Genting Highlands (2 hour trip, 35 ringgit) because KL hotels are usually costlier. Book online for a weekday and low season room. Sometimes you might be able to get a small room at the world's largest hotel (First World Hotel, 7,351 rooms) for less than 50 ringgit per night.

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