‘Ja New’ needs eye socket operation, say human rights lawyers

[scorecard]

3 hours ago, sjaak327 said:

Because that is the main reason for the defense attempts of course. I would have thought that to be bloody Obvious.

 

Nowhere do I claim his past should be ignored, by all means remind us all on topics where he is the subject. But posting about his ALLEGED past behaviour on almost every thread that deals with the Junta, is not only highly off topic, it is downright annoying, we get the broken record already. 

 

Do you guys really believe that injecting Thaksin's behaviour somehow justifies the actions of the Junta ? No nobody is that daft. The evidence that the current lot are leagues worse cannot possibly be denied, but alas their start already put them squarly in front of Thaksin, five years ago. People staging coups will never have the moral high ground of course. 

 

Again I got your message loud and clear, I have stated that based on what I am reading from said poster he is a junta lover, and blimey, I am not the only one who has noticed. So instead of suggesting I have trouble reading a single line of text, maybe you should have a good hard look to some of the posts I am referring to. 

 

"But posting about his ALLEGED past behaviour on almost every thread that deals with the Junta, is not only highly off topic, it is downright annoying, we get the broken record already. "

 

'... on almost every thread...' That's just not true.

 

'... downright annoying...' Who cares what annoys you, ever heavy of freedom of expression? Or do you consider freedom of expression is only for you?

 

 

Edited June 30, 2019 by scorecard

[scorecard]

2 hours ago, pornprong said:

He may be entitled to post whatever he wants, but the purpose behind those posts can just as certainly be questioned.

Lets examine that.

Why do you think Baerboxer and Scorecard raised the particular historical issues they did here?

More pointedly, why do you think the have focussed on issues they can relate to Thaksin?

That is the point of their garbage - to deflect from the current disgusting events and redirect towards Thaksin.

Why do they do this?

Who knows what they think they are achieving?

(who knows what you think you are achieving by supporting their nonsense?)

What is striking about the posts of these two in this thread is the complete lack of reference to the perpetrators of this crime and a complete lack of any sympathy for the victim of the crime - the sole focus is Thaksin.

It is a bizarre state of mind to be in.

 

So, my dear Khunken, of all the possible similar examples this pair of paragons of decency and human kindness could have referenced, why do YOU think they focussed on Thaksin?

 

 

 

 

 

"He may be entitled to post whatever he wants, but the purpose behind those posts can just as certainly be questioned."

 

Yep and that comment applies to you  - what an ironic thing for you to say! 

 

[sjaak327]

6 minutes ago, scorecard said:

 

"But posting about his ALLEGED past behaviour on almost every thread that deals with the Junta, is not only highly off topic, it is downright annoying, we get the broken record already. "

 

'... on almost every thread...' That's just not true.

 

'... downright annoying...' Who cares what annoys you, ever heavy of freedom of expression? Or do you consider freedom of expression is only for you?

 

 

Oh freedom of expression is universal, and includes Ja new. 

 

Almost every threads is not an exaggeration, it is the truth, easily to see right on here.

 

trying to post lies and trying to deflect threads away from topic by going on and on about a guy that didn't even set foot on Thai soil in over a decade is just dishonest. For that there is no escape and no excuse. 

 

 

Or maybe stronger language is necessary because you seem to have trouble keeping up. The topic is JA new, this thread has NOTHING to do with Thaksin. You want to discuss Thaksin, go elsewhere. for <deleted> sake. 

Edited June 30, 2019 by sjaak327

[pornprong]

2 minutes ago, scorecard said:

"He may be entitled to post whatever he wants, but the purpose behind those posts can just as certainly be questioned."

Yep and that comment applies to you  - what an ironic thing for you to say! 

If there is any irony in any of my posts, past or present, I blame Thaksin.

 

[bangrak]

Sorry, no joke here, but it seems there was already an 'alignment' problem between both eyes, visible on the first pictures published of him years ago...

As for the 'dramatic' (or could it be 'dramatised'?) hospital picture, come on guys, it looks as if he fell from the 10th story before being hit by a high-speed train! I'd send specialised MDs to examine him. Guess he would have been 'transfered' just before the appointment made.

There's a smell to this whole story I don't like at all. And it could be stinking as much as the ???extreme-right-ultra-nationalist-and-royalist??? gang sent after him, ...when it was not a team of ???extreme-left-hardcore-anti-junta-red-militia???

As my Thai brother says: nothing is what it seems to be in the Kingdom of Thailand, beware...

[bangrak]

4 hours ago, sjaak327 said:

Oh freedom of expression is universal, and includes Ja new. 

 

Almost every threads is not an exaggeration, it is the truth, easily to see right on here.

 

trying to post lies and trying to deflect threads away from topic by going on and on about a guy that didn't even set foot on Thai soil in over a decade is just dishonest. For that there is no escape and no excuse. 

 

 

Or maybe stronger language is necessary because you seem to have trouble keeping up. The topic is JA new, this thread has NOTHING to do with Thaksin. You want to discuss Thaksin, go elsewhere. for <deleted> sake. 

Can you, do you, believe what you write here 'sjaak327'?

I sincerely hope not, for what it would make of you. A dedicated victim oif propaganda. Sadly.

I had another idea about you. Quite positive actually.

Mind you, you're not alone here on TV, but it's still pathetic. There are vicious liars and dirty twisters present here daily, from all parts of the horizon.

But the ones I do pity are the numbnuts who fall for these tricks.

Manipulator or manipulated then? I'd give you credit as a human being, and consider you as manipulated... But then...

[robblok]

4 hours ago, sjaak327 said:

The time of the but thaksin brigade has come and gone, they have no legs to stand on anymore. Facts and truth have long made their posts irrelevant and in vain. But we will have to endure the <deleted> for a long time to come I guess. From time to time, I call them out, and for the rest the best course of action is simpy to ignore, they don't add anything to the discussion. 

 

Wow... someone made a remark that pointed toward hired thugs, and then pointed out that governments before during and after Thaksin all had these episodes and you get all excited throwing a fit. Well done.

 

This topic is about Ja New but the post was just pointing out that this is nothing new in Thailand. 

 

Its a sad state of affairs that violence that probably comes from the government happens and when it comes from the government the government wont run to fast to solve it. Of course they make some noise about doing it (like Charlem and the bombings of protesters oh dear.. now too have incurred your wrath for mentioning something bad about the previous government) 

 

Violence is wrong no matter who does it and even if they are voted in they have no right to do so.. (though you seem to think its not so bad if they do bad things when voted in as opposed when they get in by coup while I just look at the action and condemn them both)

 

I hope all the publicity will make them scared an stop harassing this poor guy, i have little hope that they will maybe some fall guys will get arrested but nobody high up.

[sjaak327]

4 minutes ago, bangrak said:

Can you, do you, believe what you write here 'sjaak327'?

I sincerely hope not, for what it would make of you. A dedicated victim oif propaganda. Sadly.

I had another idea about you. Quite positive actually.

Mind you, you're not alone here on TV, but it's still pathetic. There are vicious liars and dirty twisters present here daily, from all parts of the horizon.

But the ones I do pity are the numbnuts who fall for these tricks.

Manipulator or manipulated then? I'd give you credit as a human being, and consider you as manipulated... But then...

The only "dedicated" victim of propaganda is the likes of you. Living in Thailand, yet too utterly stupid to see what is really going on. Despite all the evidence that stare you right in the face, the likes of you still maintain Thaksin is the big bad man, the reality is so much different, but to realize that, one needs a functioning set of brains and a little bit of knowledge of how Thailand really works. 

 

It boggles the mind how people cannot possibly see through what is going on here, did you leave your brains at the airport. The evidence about the current lot is so overwhelming, there is no point even discussing. Let me know when you are out of hibernation. 

 

Idiotic post. 

[robblok]

4 hours ago, pornprong said:

If there is any irony in any of my posts, past or present, I blame Thaksin.

 

I always thought you were him.. dammm again wrong. ????????

[sjaak327]

1 minute ago, robblok said:

 

Wow... someone made a remark that pointed toward hired thugs, and then pointed out that governments before during and after Thaksin all had these episodes and you get all excited throwing a fit. Well done.

 

This topic is about Ja New but the post was just pointing out that this is nothing new in Thailand. 

 

Its a sad state of affairs that violence that probably comes from the government happens and when it comes from the government the government wont run to fast to solve it. Of course they make some noise about doing it (like Charlem and the bombings of protesters oh dear.. now too have incurred your wrath for mentioning something bad about the previous government) 

 

Violence is wrong no matter who does it and even if they are voted in they have no right to do so.. (though you seem to think its not so bad if they do bad things when voted in as opposed when they get in by coup while I just look at the action and condemn them both)

 

I hope all the publicity will make them scared an stop harassing this poor guy, i have little hope that they will maybe some fall guys will get arrested but nobody high up.

Pray tell, what adds the <deleted> about previous governments to this discussion ? the previous governments are gone, the last one, over five years ago. We would like to discuss present topics, not something that happened five, or six or ten years ago, it's unrelated and it does not at all comply with being on topic. 

 

the subject at hand rob, is the cowardly attack, in broad daylight of a person that happens to be anti Junta, just as over 60 % of this country. Instead of being beaten to a pulp by 4 cowardly idiots, this guy deserves being listened to. 

 

Sorry, but all the junta defending posters are simply being extremely stupid and distasteful. For what, a few thousand baht ? 

[sjaak327]

32 minutes ago, bangrak said:

Sorry, no joke here, but it seems there was already an 'alignment' problem between both eyes, visible on the first pictures published of him years ago...

As for the 'dramatic' (or could it be 'dramatised'?) hospital picture, come on guys, it looks as if he fell from the 10th story before being hit by a high-speed train! I'd send specialised MDs to examine him. Guess he would have been 'transfered' just before the appointment made.

There's a smell to this whole story I don't like at all. And it could be stinking as much as the ???extreme-right-ultra-nationalist-and-royalist??? gang sent after him, ...when it was not a team of ???extreme-left-hardcore-anti-junta-red-militia???

As my Thai brother says: nothing is what it seems to be in the Kingdom of Thailand, beware...

You sir should be ashamed, distasteful and disgraceful post. I will repay in kind, you sir are a true untermensch ????

[Isaanbiker]

Now it's only one activist. But let's hope that there'll be thousands and then tens of thousands and then hundreds of thousands. 

 

    I feel so sorry for the poor guy who's only doing what others should do as well. They were trying to kill him, that's for sure and the next time he'll be dead. 

 

  The country has lost so much of its quality, regarding my psychologist friend, more and more people are mentally suffering and they do all to keep those quiet who're telling the truth.

 

  Dear Sirawath, get well soon. Hopefully with both eyes intact. 

 

   

 

   

[Isaanbiker]

11 minutes ago, sjaak327 said:

You sir should be ashamed, distasteful and disgraceful post. I will repay in kind, you sir are a true untermensch ????

+ 1. This guy should be ashamed of himself. Untermensch? 

Somebody who writes such lies about a guy who almost got killed deserves other names.

 

   Simply disgusting. 

[sjaak327]

2 minutes ago, Isaanbiker said:

+ 1. This guy should be ashamed of himself. Untermensch? 

Somebody who writes such lies about a guy who almost got killed deserves other names.

 

   Simply disgusting. 

It is what it is, I see no reason to post such vitrol, except  when being paid. Maybe it is good to screen some of the posters on here, they seem to be paid to post their nonsense. 

Edited June 30, 2019 by sjaak327

[robblok]

15 minutes ago, sjaak327 said:

Pray tell, what adds the <deleted> about previous governments to this discussion ? the previous governments are gone, the last one, over five years ago. We would like to discuss present topics, not something that happened five, or six or ten years ago, it's unrelated and it does not at all comply with being on topic. 

 

the subject at hand rob, is the cowardly attack, in broad daylight of a person that happens to be anti Junta, just as over 60 % of this country. Instead of being beaten to a pulp by 4 cowardly idiots, this guy deserves being listened to. 

 

Sorry, but all the junta defending posters are simply being extremely stupid and distasteful. For what, a few thousand baht ? 

What it adds dear Sjaak is to show that only the names and party change not the actions. But your too blind to see that. You start foaming at your mouth the moment anyone mentions something like that because it goes against your leanings. 

 

I would have liked it if 60% was anti junta but given the election you can't say that. 

 

If you were inferring that people were posting for money then you could get banned. Not sure how else to read your last paragraph. You seem to think that only your views count something many extremist have in common with you.

[sjaak327]

24 minutes ago, robblok said:

What it adds dear Sjaak is to show that only the names and party change not the actions. But your too blind to see that. You start foaming at your mouth the moment anyone mentions something like that because it goes against your leanings. 

 

I would have liked it if 60% was anti junta but given the election you can't say that. 

 

If you were inferring that people were posting for money then you could get banned. Not sure how else to read your last paragraph. You seem to think that only your views count something many extremist have in common with you.

No rob, you seem to not understand me, I do not want to hear about Abhisit, Thaksin, or KIng Thaksin, as they are not on topic. For your information, it is 2019, and the subject is Ja New. An activist who was attacked in broad daylight in Klong Sam Wha, minburi, a neighborhood I been too many times, for <deleted> sake, stop this utter nonsense. This person, just like the other 65 million Thais deserves to talk his mind, without being afraid to be beaten like a pulp. That is the issue here, all the rest is shameful deflection, which won't work. so stop trying. 

 

edit the election was pretty clear, the dictator party only got 120 something seats, I believe the percentage that do not want is quite a bit higher. The 60% comes from a opinion poll just yesterday. But Rob, you have shown time and time again, you have no clue whatsoever about the general population sentiments, just as most of the pro Junta idiots, some even think then Thai are to stupid to vote, whilst the stupidity is theirs !

 

As to being banned, it wouldn't be the first time ! I was banned for calling Prayuth a dictator which is the truth. However given the posters on here that use lies and <deleted>, I can only suspect they are in fact being paid, why else would someone be this dishonest ? 

 

Facts don't lie Rob, the amount of <deleted> being posted here is astonishing, beyond belief. 

Edited June 30, 2019 by sjaak327

[scorecard]

8 hours ago, sjaak327 said:

Oh freedom of expression is universal, and includes Ja new. 

 

Almost every threads is not an exaggeration, it is the truth, easily to see right on here.

 

trying to post lies and trying to deflect threads away from topic by going on and on about a guy that didn't even set foot on Thai soil in over a decade is just dishonest. For that there is no escape and no excuse. 

 

 

Or maybe stronger language is necessary because you seem to have trouble keeping up. The topic is JA new, this thread has NOTHING to do with Thaksin. You want to discuss Thaksin, go elsewhere. for <deleted> sake. 

 

And as you do frequently when someone disagrees with the almighty one (you) you attack the poster. Boring to say the least.

 

 

[scorecard]

4 hours ago, sjaak327 said:

The only "dedicated" victim of propaganda is the likes of you. Living in Thailand, yet too utterly stupid to see what is really going on. Despite all the evidence that stare you right in the face, the likes of you still maintain Thaksin is the big bad man, the reality is so much different, but to realize that, one needs a functioning set of brains and a little bit of knowledge of how Thailand really works. 

 

It boggles the mind how people cannot possibly see through what is going on here, did you leave your brains at the airport. The evidence about the current lot is so overwhelming, there is no point even discussing. Let me know when you are out of hibernation. 

 

Idiotic post. 

It also boggles the mind that you are so sure your 'version' is the only correct version, and that you have so little respect for the opinion of others, and for their right to see a different analysis, often commenting rudely about their ability to read, understand, 'did you leave your brains at the airport', and more.  

 

"...the likes of you still maintain Thaksin is the big bad man,..." 

1. You complain when others mention thaksin but you regularly bring him up.

2. No he's not the only big bad man, there are many, but IMHO he is a bad man and has a lot to answer for..

 

[robblok]

7 hours ago, sjaak327 said:

No rob, you seem to not understand me, I do not want to hear about Abhisit, Thaksin, or KIng Thaksin, as they are not on topic. For your information, it is 2019, and the subject is Ja New. An activist who was attacked in broad daylight in Klong Sam Wha, minburi, a neighborhood I been too many times, for <deleted> sake, stop this utter nonsense. This person, just like the other 65 million Thais deserves to talk his mind, without being afraid to be beaten like a pulp. That is the issue here, all the rest is shameful deflection, which won't work. so stop trying. 

 

edit the election was pretty clear, the dictator party only got 120 something seats, I believe the percentage that do not want is quite a bit higher. The 60% comes from a opinion poll just yesterday. But Rob, you have shown time and time again, you have no clue whatsoever about the general population sentiments, just as most of the pro Junta idiots, some even think then Thai are to stupid to vote, whilst the stupidity is theirs !

 

As to being banned, it wouldn't be the first time ! I was banned for calling Prayuth a dictator which is the truth. However given the posters on here that use lies and <deleted>, I can only suspect they are in fact being paid, why else would someone be this dishonest ? 

 

Facts don't lie Rob, the amount of <deleted> being posted here is astonishing, beyond belief. 

Nobody is here dishonest they just disagree with you and you are the one talking about freedom of speech Time to get off that high horse. 

 

You fail to accept that others have other opinions something extremist often have. 

 

There were more parties to vote for if they liked Prayut. Th election shows that the two sides are not that far apart with support. You can believe all you want but its far from clear  cut like you say. Soon you will say I am paid for too as I don't agree with your posts.

 

Its 2019 but if you don't look back you will repeat history time and time again. So the past is important and should be taken into account. The fact remains that political violence is nothing new and the previous government with Charmlem and the bombings is a nice example of that. There are other examples too. Government with dry eyes saying one thing while on the background doing an other thing. But of course that does not help your cause because that only shows all those idiots in power are bad. So you want to separate the bad news so you can use it to attack the government while pretend that your favorite party is an good party. 

 

The only one who is good is FFW they have no history of bad deeds like this. (they can still be bad but for now they look like the good guys). The PTP certainly is NOT the good guys even though they are anti junta. People like Charlem are still there. 

 

Anyway it was bad then it is bad now and things should be done unfortunately now and in the future that wont happen. I am real sorry for the guy that he got attacked, i find it infuriating just like i found the bombings infuriating. Then you got a leader in this case Prawit denying it and while he might not have a personal hand in it im sure it its influenced by people on his side. Just a real bad thing.

[JAG]

17 hours ago, sjaak327 said:

Actually he isn't incorrect, this poster has a habit of deflecting, either with a but Thaksin or another completely unrelated comment, most definitely a junta supporter, it is in black and white, all over this forum. 

 

Personally I think his attempts to deflect from this issue to be without taste and disrespectful to the victim, who only used his free speech, which is a universal human right. 

Managed to get one in about Yingluck though didn't he?

 

Nothing if not persistent.

 

As I have observed before, if the Archangel Gabriel appeared in the skies over Bangkok announcing the Day of Judgement, he would link it to Thaksin, (and probably ask if Yingluck was going to attend)!

[JAG]

14 hours ago, from the home of CC said:

What's curious to me is why doesn't he just disappear or wind up in a canal? If this action is from the power base here and if he's considered a threat, why isn't the threat just removed? I don't really buy the martyr argument in this case so is it just incompetence or is it something else entirely?

Sending a message - whilst he is vocal, and no doubt annoying to the Junta, I doubt that he poses an existential threat. But an occasional severe but non fatal beating, carried out with apparent impunity in public demonstrates the reach of the Junta, and sends a message to other dissidents and activists.

[sjaak327]

Nobody is here dishonest they just disagree with you and you are the one talking about freedom of speech Time to get off that high horse. 
 
You fail to accept that others have other opinions something extremist often have. 
 
There were more parties to vote for if they liked Prayut. Th election shows that the two sides are not that far apart with support. You can believe all you want but its far from clear  cut like you say. Soon you will say I am paid for too as I don't agree with your posts.
 
Its 2019 but if you don't look back you will repeat history time and time again. So the past is important and should be taken into account. The fact remains that political violence is nothing new and the previous government with Charmlem and the bombings is a nice example of that. There are other examples too. Government with dry eyes saying one thing while on the background doing an other thing. But of course that does not help your cause because that only shows all those idiots in power are bad. So you want to separate the bad news so you can use it to attack the government while pretend that your favorite party is an good party. 
 
The only one who is good is FFW they have no history of bad deeds like this. (they can still be bad but for now they look like the good guys). The PTP certainly is NOT the good guys even though they are anti junta. People like Charlem are still there. 
 
Anyway it was bad then it is bad now and things should be done unfortunately now and in the future that wont happen. I am real sorry for the guy that he got attacked, i find it infuriating just like i found the bombings infuriating. Then you got a leader in this case Prawit denying it and while he might not have a personal hand in it im sure it its influenced by people on his side. Just a real bad thing.

This thread is about Ja New. It is not about something that happened five years ago. Some of you are just like little children that do not get what they want.

The dishonesty lies in attempts to suggest the victim's ordeal was self inflicted and more nonsense, when no proof has been submitted for any of that nonsense.

Whatever happened to simply rejecting this cowardly act? We live now, not five years ago.

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[sjaak327]

 
And as you do frequently when someone disagrees with the almighty one (you) you attack the poster. Boring to say the least.
 
 

It would not be needed if the one I responded to left him out if the discussion. There are precious little threads about Thaksin these days, yet thanks to some of you, he must be the most discussed guy on here, only second to Prayuth.

Over a decade since Thaksin last set foot on Thai soil.

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[scorecard]

'Over a decade since Thaksin last set foot on Thai soil.'

 

What's that got to do with anything?

 

Bottom line on thaksin is sum nun na, big time.  
 

[sjaak327]

'Over a decade since Thaksin last set foot on Thai soil.'
 
What's that got to do with anything?
 
Bottom line on thaksin is sum nun na, big time.  
 

Maybe, just maybe it is an indication that Thaksin is not here?

Other criminals such as Prayuth are, and they are running the show. But we get it, focus should be on the one that isn't here, not on the one that is.

Apparently he is one of the good guys, even if he has done all the things Thaksin did, and a shitload more.

Logic is absent completely...

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[Burma Bill]

I wonder if the NCPO will offer to pay his medical expenses!!!!!

[Eric Loh]

9 minutes ago, Burma Bill said:

I wonder if the NCPO will offer to pay his medical expenses!!!!!

None from the government even bother to visit him. Too much guilt to face the victim. 

[pornprong]

3 hours ago, robblok said:

Nobody is here dishonest they just disagree with you and you are the one talking about freedom of speech Time to get off that high horse. 

If they're not dishonest, then they're certainly deluded.

 

3 hours ago, robblok said:

You fail to accept that others have other opinions something extremist often have. 

You fail to understand that opinions are subordinate to facts.

 

3 hours ago, robblok said:

There were more parties to vote for if they liked Prayut. Th election shows that the two sides are not that far apart with support. You can believe all you want but its far from clear  cut like you say. Soon you will say I am paid for too as I don't agree with your posts.

Just how far apart were the two sides?

 

The total number of votes won by the 7 party coalition was 16,425,082

The total number of votes won by the PPRP coalition was 17,932,140

But wait, 

Of the 17,932,140 votes for PPRP's coalition, at least 7,693,817 were votes for parties that campaigned on NOT joining PPRP

This brings us to 24,118,899 voters not choosing PPRP v 10,234,323 that voted for PPRP

You call yourself an accountant yet consider more than double the number of votes against PPRP as being roughly equal.

God help your clients.

 

BTW - Voters were certainly didn't have the option to vote for Thai Raksa Chart party

 

3 hours ago, robblok said:

Its 2019 but if you don't look back you will repeat history time and time again. So the past is important and should be taken into account. The fact remains that political violence is nothing new and the previous government with Charmlem and the bombings is a nice example of that. There are other examples too. Government with dry eyes saying one thing while on the background doing an other thing. But of course that does not help your cause because that only shows all those idiots in power are bad. So you want to separate the bad news so you can use it to attack the government while pretend that your favorite party is an good party. 

When you drive your car you focus on looking through the windscreen, not the rearview mirror, the rearview mirror needs only the occasional glance.

The peanuts focussed on Thaksin view everything exclusively through the rearview mirror.

Why do you think they (you) don't look through the windscreen......it's tough gig being pro-junta hey?

 

3 hours ago, robblok said:

The only one who is good is FFW they have no history of bad deeds like this. (they can still be bad but for now they look like the good guys). The PTP certainly is NOT the good guys even though they are anti junta. People like Charlem are still there. 

Geez, you really struggle to condemn the junta. Even when you make the slightest concession, it is done in terms of PTP.......rearview mirror obsessive.

 

3 hours ago, robblok said:

Anyway it was bad then it is bad now and things should be done unfortunately now and in the future that wont happen. I am real sorry for the guy that he got attacked, i find it infuriating just like i found the bombings infuriating. Then you got a leader in this case Prawit denying it and while he might not have a personal hand in it im sure it its influenced by people on his side. Just a real bad thing.

What can be done to change what happened 13+ years ago?

Nothing.

What is the reason for focussing solely on what cannot be altered?

There is only one reason - diverting attention from what is occurring right now.

Ja New has been assaulted....but, but Thaksin had people assaulted.

 

What's your point here, it (may have) happened before so it's perfectly acceptable for it to happen now?

What is the point in the focus on Thaksin here?

What does it achieve?

[robblok]

27 minutes ago, pornprong said:

If they're not dishonest, then they're certainly deluded.

 

You fail to understand that opinions are subordinate to facts.

 

Just how far apart were the two sides?

 

The total number of votes won by the 7 party coalition was 16,425,082

The total number of votes won by the PPRP coalition was 17,932,140

But wait, 

Of the 17,932,140 votes for PPRP's coalition, at least 7,693,817 were votes for parties that campaigned on NOT joining PPRP

This brings us to 24,118,899 voters not choosing PPRP v 10,234,323 that voted for PPRP

You call yourself an accountant yet consider more than double the number of votes against PPRP as being roughly equal.

God help your clients.

 

BTW - Voters were certainly didn't have the option to vote for Thai Raksa Chart party

 

When you drive your car you focus on looking through the windscreen, not the rearview mirror, the rearview mirror needs only the occasional glance.

The peanuts focussed on Thaksin view everything exclusively through the rearview mirror.

Why do you think they (you) don't look through the windscreen......it's tough gig being pro-junta hey?

 

Geez, you really struggle to condemn the junta. Even when you make the slightest concession, it is done in terms of PTP.......rearview mirror obsessive.

 

What can be done to change what happened 13+ years ago?

Nothing.

What is the reason for focussing solely on what cannot be altered?

There is only one reason - diverting attention from what is occurring right now.

Ja New has been assaulted....but, but Thaksin had people assaulted.

 

What's your point here, it (may have) happened before so it's perfectly acceptable for it to happen now?

What is the point in the focus on Thaksin here?

What does it achieve?

Your deluded IMHO im deluded in yours.. just a matter of perspective.

 

Nice how you calculate but you assume that all those votes were truly against the junta. I don't assume that as that is not clear. There were even signs they were going to be a third block. So who are you to say what is right and not. Lets assume they were a third block.. all of a sudden the calculations are different. There was a reason I made no calculation as I am not sure about the facts and making a calculation then is foolish. 

 

We are not talking about driving a car its a totally wrong analogy. If you had any sense then you would know that you need to know your history especially when talking about politics. Im sorry that you don't see that.

 

No has nothing to do with condemning the junta i have no problems with that. Its more that you have problems that I ALSO condemn similar actions by the PTP.

 

Point is that Ja New was assaulted and that is a terrible thing and people need to be punished but looking back one can see that these are also tactics Thaksin and pre Thaksin governments did. So why is it wrong to say that this happend. Better to condemn it for all and make laws with teeth instead of selective indignation something your quite good at.

[BobBKK]

23 hours ago, londonthai said:

witnesses identified perpetrators as police officers, shouting "police, police"

or Army who have been brainwashed into supporting the Ammart system