More Thais fined for not reporting foreigners at their addresses

[notasmartassknowitallfarag]

I plan to go to Phuket for a night. So on my way back do I need to tell my landlord in BKK?

 

So he can report my safe arrival back to BKK to immigration!? 

 

Seriously? <deleted>! 

[IvorBiggun2]

6 hours ago, LongTang said:

And if one can't wait for one month to receive his username & password?

 

 Not necessary 'one month'. It all depends.

 

6 hours ago, LongTang said:

Even if the registration process was easy(which its not), The only thing this process is good for is to remind everyone that they are living under military control and all their movements are being monitored.

Nothing wrong with living under 'military control' unless you have something to worry about. And the 'registration process' is easy. Stop making siht up.

[Isaan Alan]

They don't hate foreigners; in fact, they love us. This is a whole new income stream. Now most are compliant with the 90 day reporting so that income stream has dried up. They needed a new one.

Do the reporting on-line I hear some say. I tried for years to get online 90 day reporting to work and I am an IT guy. You had to use Internet Explorer so they said but that wasn't the real reason. Finally it did work but I still had to ring Amnat Charoen office to approve it because they didn't know what to do. Correction the office ring 4 times.

Incidentally I worked in post-Communist Russia for 3 months and they gave you a sheet that had to filled in everyplace you stayed which was always at hotels in my case. It was checked on departure and I presume gaps were investigated. No gaps in mine. Anyway a very simple system. It will take Thai Immigration another 2 or 3 years to get the online system going I suspect

 

And yes, are we starting to get "wumao" (paid .5rmb for every pro-govt post) on this forum like in Chinese social media? I have my suspicions. Hopefully they are just pernicious trolls, a much netter class of wallywingnuts.

 

[ChipButty]

23 minutes ago, Number 6 said:

I'll tell you how this will be solved for the landlords - stop renting to falang.

 

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No farang left soon

[vibration]

My wife visited Udonthani Immigration Office on Monday 01 July with a TM30 duly filled out and signed after we returned home late on Friday 28th June from a UK holiday and was informed for the second time (she also asked before we went on holiday) that Udonthani Immigration does not require this and only if we change address permanently.

 

Just in case I will keep the TM30 form; which she has written in Thai on the form what they said after she tried to give it to the office.

[Call]

TM 30 is an mess, almost impossible to follow. I would be very happy if this could be cleared out once for all.

Is it possible ThaiVisa can talk to someone top ranking Immigration officer, with no money in mind. It´s not an easy task ????

Because what I have heard, the TM30 is just for the first (!) address entering the country! And have to be done everytime, even if you are on work permit, retirement or marrried visa. Also have come to my knowledge, if you return to same address and are the legal owner, you do not need to register! This could help us living in buildings, with legal foreign title.

As mentioned, it is a mess and some really high ranking officials should clearly specify the rules, by the law. Not by the likes from individual Immigration officers around Thailand. Because, we all know this is an income for people working within Thai Immigration. 

[marcusarelus]

32 minutes ago, Small Joke said:

Rubbish!

 

You won't find a facsimile of Thailand, granted.

 

And I have done the legwork, unlike yourself. 

How long have you lived in Thailand?  _______ Me got here first time 68 and lived continuously 15 years.

 

How long have you lived in Vietnam?  _______ Me two years.

 

[Tim K]

I did tm30 only because I needed the certificate of address for the driving license.

I asked the landlord for copy of ID, copy of housebook and a 1month contract, went to Phuket IO and did everything myself.

Got receipt of 90day report too. Got CoA, applied for the DL, all good.

 

Second time did TM30 after going to penang, now registered at my wife's house.

Showed copy id, copy house book, and copy of my yellow house book and marry certificate (just in case).

The wonderful IO registered her in the system as a user, and gave me a 90day report slip.

Later I just used the online form, where i input EXACTLY the same address as shown in the receipt, and it just works. after 5-8 days i get email and can print the receipt myself.

 

Changed many houses, travelled to songkla, never did any other tm30.

IO's at phuket say only need to register(do TM30) when re-entering the country, even if address is same.

For 90day report, if address is same (although not real, nobody cares), just do online or bring only passport.

Edited July 10, 2019 by Tim K

[lkv]

I'm impressed about the high number of users joining this forum to tell us how delighted they are about their TM30 experience.

 

I must say, it's one of the greatest ideas of mankind.

[HiSoLowSoNoSo]

My next address in the TM 30 report. It's less than 20 meter from the high water mark so it's on public land. Will they fine me for this?

[Matzzon]

9 hours ago, geoffbezoz said:

Looks like the band of corrupt crime fighters are trying to increase their business stream even further, whilst actively discourage Thais from allowing foreigners to use their accommodation perhaps.

Yes, of course. Complain when they are going by the law, and complain when they don´t. Also do not never ever miss to complain when they are using different interpretation in different places. Good Job!

[metisdead]

Some troll posts and trolling replies have been removed. 

[Raymonddiaz]

They used to force foreigners to pay the fine when the Thai didn't report foreigners who are living in their properties. Time has changed it seems. 

[LongTang]

57 minutes ago, IvorBiggun2 said:

 Not necessary 'one month'. It all depends.

 

Nothing wrong with living under 'military control' unless you have something to worry about. And the 'registration process' is easy. Stop making siht up.

 

True, It can be more then two month as other posters already noted.

 

Do us all a favor and go live in North Korea if you think there is Nothing Wrong living under a Police State regimen Na.

 

P.S: How much do they pay you?? You got us all curious now.

 

[Mitkof Island]

This law has been around for years. Why do foreigners continue to complain about Thailand yet refuse to leave?

[Peterw42]

33 minutes ago, tomazbodner said:

It is a very clever plan, actually.

 

Foreigners must be reported. For that owner's ID and rental agreement must be presented, which state monthly rental amount. This data is then passed to revenue department to check if owners are paying 12.5% tax on the rental income. Most aren't and I've seen a sudden surge of condos for sale with tenant, many urgently. I also know of cases of people fined upwards of half a million baht for renting out without paying taxes, which all started with a TM30 report. Interesting times.

There is no requirement for the owner to show a rental contract, its blue book and ID. The 12.5% tax was only ever levied on land office registered leases and will no longer exsist, being replaced with the new land taxes.

[madmen]

how are they fined if the guest is on a 30 day visa on arrival which nearly everyone is

[Peterw42]

6 minutes ago, Mitkof Island said:

This law has been around for years. Why do foreigners continue to complain about Thailand yet refuse to leave?

Yes that right, I recall my wife (then GF) doing a TM30 6 years ago when I first moved into her house.

[madmen]

10 minutes ago, Mitkof Island said:

This law has been around for years. Why do foreigners continue to complain about Thailand yet refuse to leave?

Many have but continue to bash here like the sad fukers they really are. 

[Peterw42]

1 hour ago, Call said:

TM 30 is an mess, almost impossible to follow. I would be very happy if this could be cleared out once for all.

Is it possible ThaiVisa can talk to someone top ranking Immigration officer, with no money in mind. It´s not an easy task ????

Because what I have heard, the TM30 is just for the first (!) address entering the country! And have to be done everytime, even if you are on work permit, retirement or marrried visa. Also have come to my knowledge, if you return to same address and are the legal owner, you do not need to register! This could help us living in buildings, with legal foreign title.

As mentioned, it is a mess and some really high ranking officials should clearly specify the rules, by the law. Not by the likes from individual Immigration officers around Thailand. Because, we all know this is an income for people working within Thai Immigration. 

Its not whether its required, it is required by law. Its whether the local immigration office will check if it has been done before they process an extension or 90 day report. 

[HiSoLowSoNoSo]

14 minutes ago, Mitkof Island said:

This law has been around for years. Why do foreigners continue to complain about Thailand yet refuse to leave?

I left, and that was after 34 years in Thailand, most years on Non-B and work permit, some periods employing 3000 Thais in my companies. The way the Thai military regime treats it's foreign investors and expat community will be very bad for Thailand's future.

Edited July 10, 2019 by HiSoLowSoNoSo

[lkv]

12 minutes ago, HiSoLowSoNoSo said:

I left.

Note that you must not complain, according to some posters.????

Edited July 10, 2019 by lkv

[marcusarelus]

26 minutes ago, Peterw42 said:

Its not whether its required, it is required by law. Its whether the local immigration office will check if it has been done before they process an extension or 90 day report. 

Don't go to the Immigration office to do a 90 day report and go home for an O-A every other year.  Solved!

[marcusarelus]

22 minutes ago, lkv said:

Note that you must not complain, according to some posters.????

Complaining is fine.  Complaining about things one has no control over or that don't exist makes little sense.  I don't get checked at my 90 day report because I have a taxi driver do my report and last week at my yearly retirement extension they didn't ask me for one and never have.  

[LongTang]

40 minutes ago, Mitkof Island said:

This law has been around for years. Why do foreigners continue to complain about Thailand yet refuse to leave?

 

Are you on the payroll as well NippleMan?  The law has been around for years but hardly ever enforced as everyone understood how pointless and outdated it is.

 

 

[expatfromwyoming]

36 minutes ago, HiSoLowSoNoSo said:

I left, and that was after 34 years in Thailand, most years on Non-B and work permit, some periods employing 3000 Thais in my companies.

Obviously not successfully as you left and run back to the bosom of Mother Socialist - and worse still blaming others for your ineptitude- are you related to the Trump

[Fex Bluse]

2 hours ago, Isaan Alan said:

They don't hate foreigners; in fact, they love us. This is a whole new income stream. Now most are compliant with the 90 day reporting so that income stream has dried up. They needed a new one.

Do the reporting on-line I hear some say. I tried for years to get online 90 day reporting to work and I am an IT guy. You had to use Internet Explorer so they said but that wasn't the real reason. Finally it did work but I still had to ring Amnat Charoen office to approve it because they didn't know what to do. Correction the office ring 4 times.

Incidentally I worked in post-Communist Russia for 3 months and they gave you a sheet that had to filled in everyplace you stayed which was always at hotels in my case. It was checked on departure and I presume gaps were investigated. No gaps in mine. Anyway a very simple system. It will take Thai Immigration another 2 or 3 years to get the online system going I suspect

 

And yes, are we starting to get "wumao" (paid .5rmb for every pro-govt post) on this forum like in Chinese social media? I have my suspicions. Hopefully they are just pernicious trolls, a much netter class of wallywingnuts.

 

Definitely a few Thai 'wumao' government trolls in the forums. 

 

Easy to spot as they cannot escape their cultural training, despite any English language ability. 

[garyk]

I've already been offered discounts if I come back from women. Unheard of!! The expats that stay are going to be in high demand. Haha

[ballpoint]

3 hours ago, the guest said:

I think you will find many are, bound for Vietnam and Cambodia where it's less hostile!

You do realise that Vietnam has even more restrictive laws on registration of foreigners, and recently have been cracking down on those who fail to do so?  A former colleague of mine, working in Saigon, was invited to stay at the house of a Vietnamese workmate in Haiphong during Tet this year.  Someone reported it to local police, and both were fined 5,000,000 VND.

 

"Many foreigners stay for quite a long time in Vietnam and do not register their stay until they are asked by police officer then pay expensive fine. These people again blame on the landlord and other agents for not reminding them to do temporary resident registration. According to Vietnamese law, foreigners must register their stay wherever they spend night(s) in Vietnam".

 

Foreigners who stay overnight at the private houses of citizens shall have to personally or through house owners make a temporary residence declaration with the police offices of wards or communes where they temporarily reside. The ward or commune police offices will then be required to transfer the contents of temporary residence declarations by foreigners to the immigration bodies under the public security offices of the provinces or centrally run cities.

https://vietnamvisavoa.com/en/temporary-residence-registration-for-foreigners-in-vietnam-a16

 

The penalty ranges from a small fine of 500,000 - 5,000,000 VND up to cancellation of your visa and deportation.

[Isaanbiker]

 Fines for not reporting these Alien people. What happened to this country?

How can anybody call this country the Land of Smiles? Not even Thai people are able to smile anymore.

 

And if they do, it's more an artificial smile.