Trump tells Democratic congresswomen to 'go back' to 'fix' countries they came from

[lannarebirth]

On 7/21/2019 at 6:34 PM, heybruce said:

You brought up the travel ban when I posted the above.  My post is about hate-filled words.  Trump is full of them.

 

"Department of Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen said at a June 18 press briefing: “The Obama administration, the Bush administration all separated families. … They did — their rate was less than ours, but they absolutely did do this. This is not new.”"  https://www.factcheck.org/2018/06/did-the-obama-administration-separate-families/

 

Trump's own people concede it is happening more under Trump than his predecessors.  However, once again, I brought up family separation with regards to the accusation that the four congresswomen were "hate filled".  Have they been advocating family separation?

 

I would be in favor of eliminating the Department of Homeland Security. There are more than enough agencies to deal with security matters; they just need sorting back to the correct department. That would make for much better oversight.

[Thainesss]

6 minutes ago, Sujo said:

You dont do irony do you.

 

You don't know what Irony means, do you?

[bristolboy]

7 minutes ago, Thainesss said:

 

You don't know what Irony means, do you?

Well, based on the evidence, no one is going to believe that you do. Or maybe you subscribe to a different definition of irony than the commonly accepted one?

[Thainesss]

35 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

Well, based on the evidence, no one is going to believe that you do. Or maybe you subscribe to a different definition of irony than the commonly accepted one?

Quote from your hero:

 

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Wallah someone deport these unAmerican ISISlike armed bikers.

 

[heybruce]

3 hours ago, mogandave said:

 

Not trying to divert, just trying to be clear.

So she would shut the department down based only on accusations, yes?

Incidentally, the article made no mention of rape.

She, and others, have more than one reason to shut the department down.

 

Yes, no mention of rape.  Thainess was way out of line when he said Cortez accused ICE employees of rape, wasn't he?

Edited July 24, 2019 by heybruce

[Sujo]

Looks like the 4 are heeding his advice and trying to fix their country.

[Thainesss]

4 hours ago, heybruce said:

Yes, no mention of rape.  Thainess was way out of line when he said Cortez accused ICE employees of rape, wasn't he?

 

Nope. 

 

And this is quite the post coming from someone who by their own admission doesn't even follow the words and actions of any of the 4 anti-Semitic congresswomen mentioned in the OP, let alone AOC. 

[johnnybangkok]

1 hour ago, Thainesss said:

 

Nope. 

 

And this is quite the post coming from someone who by their own admission doesn't even follow the words and actions of any of the 4 anti-Semitic congresswomen mentioned in the OP, let alone AOC. 

By Calling ANY criticism of Israel (which they certainly deserve) anti-semetic you are stifling open discussion of their faults but even if it was anti-Semitic (big if) why should that bother you? Why such a defender of Israel? Are you Jewish?

[Thainesss]

41 minutes ago, johnnybangkok said:

By Calling ANY criticism of Israel (which they certainly deserve) anti-semetic you are stifling open discussion of their faults but even if it was anti-Semitic (big if) why should that bother you? Why such a defender of Israel? Are you Jewish?

 

Its anti-semetic. Their entire BDS Movement was shot down in the house and literally every major democrat politician called it anti-Semitic. They are viscous and nasty anti-semites who put forth an anti-semetic res. This is a fact, its not a "Big If" and defense of it makes you complicit. Their 'movement' openly targeted Jewish people, orgs, and businesses worldwide. They targeted jews on college campuses and on and on and on. 

 

And no im not jewish, but I support anyones right to religion. Christians. Buddhists. Muslims. I draw the line when they start wanting to blow themselves up and kill a bunch of people, or put national security at risk. 

[mogandave]

By Calling ANY criticism of Israel (which they certainly deserve) anti-semetic you are stifling open discussion of their faults but even if it was anti-Semitic (big if) why should that bother you? Why such a defender of Israel? Are you Jewish?

Calling for a boycott is criticism?

Are you Muslim?

[johnnybangkok]

1 hour ago, Thainesss said:

 

Its anti-semetic. Their entire BDS Movement was shot down in the house and literally every major democrat politician called it anti-Semitic. They are viscous and nasty anti-semites who put forth an anti-semetic res. This is a fact, its not a "Big If" and defense of it makes you complicit. Their 'movement' openly targeted Jewish people, orgs, and businesses worldwide. They targeted jews on college campuses and on and on and on. 

 

And no im not jewish, but I support anyones right to religion. Christians. Buddhists. Muslims. I draw the line when they start wanting to blow themselves up and kill a bunch of people, or put national security at risk. 

Disagree. 

They have only ever brought up Israel’s persecution of the the Palestine’s, which is well documented, completely founded and what many people think. This blanket victimization that lets Israel off it’s very obvious human rights atrocities is not anti- Semitic, it’s pro human rights. 

If they deny the holocaust then it’s anti- Semitic. If they go on about Jews controlling the banking system, then it’s anti- Semitic. If all Jews are big nosed, Shylock characters then it’s anti-Semitic.

Pointing out Israel’s many, many faults simply isn’t.   

[johnnybangkok]

1 hour ago, mogandave said:

 

Calling for a boycott is criticism?

Are you Muslim?

 

If you cannot add a sensible and rational thought to the discussion can I ask you just to not comment at all? 

[Thainesss]

2 minutes ago, johnnybangkok said:

Disagree. 

They have only ever brought up Israel’s persecution of the the Palestine’s, which is well documented, completely founded and what many people think. This blanket victimization that lets Israel off it’s very obvious human rights atrocities is not anti- Semitic, it’s pro human rights. 

If they deny the holocaust then it’s anti- Semitic. If they go on about Jews controlling the banking system, then it’s anti- Semitic. If all Jews are big nosed, Shylock characters then it’s anti-Semitic.

Pointing out Israel’s many, many faults simply isn’t.   

 

Well then that disagreement puts you firmly in the political fringe, so you're in good company with Ilhan and AOC and Talib. 

 

And I fail to see how targeting jewish people within the USA and globally is not anti-semetic. They aren't targeting Israel or its leaders, they are literally targeting jewish people globally. 

 

Are you a jew with a shop in Queens, NY? Boycott. 

That is exactly what Nazis did, so.... 

[Becker]

5 minutes ago, Thainesss said:

 

Well then that disagreement puts you firmly in the political fringe, so you're in good company with Ilhan and AOC and Talib. 

 

And I fail to see how targeting jewish people within the USA and globally is not anti-semetic. They aren't targeting Israel or its leaders, they are literally targeting jewish people globally. 

 

Are you a jew with a shop in Queens, NY? Boycott. 

That is exactly what Nazis did, so.... 

hy·per·bo·le

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noun

 

1. exaggerated statements or claims not meant to be taken literally.

[Thainesss]

5 minutes ago, Becker said:

hy·per·bo·le

/hīˈpərbəlē/

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noun

 

1. exaggerated statements or claims not meant to be taken literally.

 

Its funny, the same people that like to call others nazis all the time are the biggest defenders of... You guessed it, Nazi tactics. 

 

These 4 congress women really do force the left to drop their masks and show themselves. 

Which is why Pelosi probably spends most of her afternoons throwing darts at pictures of these ladies. 

[johnnybangkok]

26 minutes ago, Thainesss said:

 

Well then that disagreement puts you firmly in the political fringe, so you're in good company with Ilhan and AOC and Talib. 

 

And I fail to see how targeting jewish people within the USA and globally is not anti-semetic. They aren't targeting Israel or its leaders, they are literally targeting jewish people globally. 

 

Are you a jew with a shop in Queens, NY? Boycott. 

That is exactly what Nazis did, so.... 

Apart from your obvious hyperbole (already pointed out) there is such a thing as the middle ground. 

You don't have to be extreme to understand that Israel persecution of the Palestinians is where much of the issues in the Middle East come from. You don’t have to be extreme to understand that political representatives have a world view and are allowed to express it

life just doesn’t need to be so black and white which (literally) Yrump fans rely on. 

[WayWokeWhiteGuy]

Indeed

Edited July 24, 2019 by WayWokeWhiteGuy

[Thainesss]

5 minutes ago, johnnybangkok said:

Apart from your obvious hyperbole (already pointed out)

 

How is it 'hyperbole' when the BDS 'movement' literally calls for boycotts of anyone who shows any unity with Israel? Its baffling to me that you guys keep defending this. It is racism and bigotry in its purist form. 

 

9 minutes ago, johnnybangkok said:

You don't have to be extreme to understand that Israel persecution of the Palestinians is where much of the issues in the Middle East come from. You don’t have to be extreme to understand that political representatives have a world view and are allowed to express it

life just doesn’t need to be so black and white which (literally) Yrump fans rely on. 

 

Yet the entire BDS movement that you keep defending is the polar opposite of 'middle ground' and has no vision for the existence of Israel itself. How is that a middle ground?

[johnnybangkok]

1 minute ago, Thainesss said:

 

How is it 'hyperbole' when the BDS 'movement' literally calls for boycotts of anyone who shows any unity with Israel? Its baffling to me that you guys keep defending this. It is racism and bigotry in its purist form. 

 

 

Yet the entire BDS movement that you keep defending is the polar opposite of 'middle ground' and has no vision for the existence of Israel itself. How is that a middle ground?

I’ll tell you what racism and bigotry is.  It’s persecuting your own people for being the wrong color. Its telling people that we’re born in your country to go “back home” because they are not white. It’s saying that white supremacists are “good people”. It’s locking up asylum seekers and removing their children. It’s everything the current POTUS stands for. 

And you are facilitating all of it by agreeing. 

[heybruce]

4 hours ago, Thainesss said:

 

Nope. 

 

And this is quite the post coming from someone who by their own admission doesn't even follow the words and actions of any of the 4 anti-Semitic congresswomen mentioned in the OP, let alone AOC. 

You're right, I don't follow her words and actions, I sometimes come across them as part of other news. 

 

That's why I asked you for proof to support your claim that Cortez accused ICE employees of rape.  You came up with nothing.

[Thainesss]

4 minutes ago, heybruce said:

That's why I asked you for proof to support your claim that Cortez accused ICE employees of rape.  You came up with nothing.

 

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DEMOCRAT SOCIALIST OCASIO-CORTEZ ACCUSES ICE OF RAPE, INJECTING CHILDREN WITH DRUGS

 

https://www.newsflash365.com/democrat-socialist-ocasio-cortez-accuses-ice-of-rape-injecting-children-with-drugs/

 

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Democrat Socialist Ocasio-Cortez Accuses ICE of Rape

 

http://www.wcbm.com/2019/03/04/democrat-socialist-ocasio-cortez-accuses-ice-of-rape/

 

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Ocasio-Cortez, other Dems accuse ICE and CBP of 'killing' children

 

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ocasio-cortez-other-dems-accuse-ice-and-cbp-of-killing-children-call-for-hold-on-funding

 

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OCASIO-CORTEZ ACCUSES ICE OF RAPE

 

https://www.pacificpundit.com/2019/03/02/ocasio-cortez-accuses-ice-of-rape/

 

I could go on.... 

[Thainesss]

18 minutes ago, johnnybangkok said:

It’s persecuting your own people for being the wrong color.

 

Trumps not doing that. 

 

19 minutes ago, johnnybangkok said:

Its telling people that we’re born in your country to go “back home” because they are not white.

 

That never happened, its a lie. Had nothing to do with them being 'not white' nor anything to do with their skin color at all, and Id like to remind you that at least 2 of these congresswomen and rabid supporters of BDS have told others online the same tropes. 

 

19 minutes ago, johnnybangkok said:

It’s saying that white supremacists are “good people”.

 

Also a lie, never happened. 

 

20 minutes ago, johnnybangkok said:

It’s locking up asylum seekers and removing their children.

 

Same thing happened under previous administrations, no one cared or batted an eye, and was only taken marginally further by Trump, and furthermore absolutely nothing different than when a citizen gets arrested. 

 

You don't get to enter the country because you are "seeking asylum"  -  You get to enter when you are "granted asylum". 

Glad we could clear that up. 

[heybruce]

9 minutes ago, Thainesss said:

 

 

https://www.newsflash365.com/democrat-socialist-ocasio-cortez-accuses-ice-of-rape-injecting-children-with-drugs/

 

 

http://www.wcbm.com/2019/03/04/democrat-socialist-ocasio-cortez-accuses-ice-of-rape/

 

 

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ocasio-cortez-other-dems-accuse-ice-and-cbp-of-killing-children-call-for-hold-on-funding

 

 

https://www.pacificpundit.com/2019/03/02/ocasio-cortez-accuses-ice-of-rape/

 

I could go on.... 

Every one of you sources state that Cortez stated there were reports of rape, which is correct.  The text of the articles undercut the headlines of your fake news sources.

 

I'm sure you can go on, without ever coming up with proof that Cortez accused ICE of rape.

Edited July 24, 2019 by heybruce

[mogandave]

Every one of you sources state that Cortez stated there were reports of rape, which is correct.  The text of the articles undercut the headlines of your fake news sources.
 
I'm sure you can go on, without ever coming up with proof that Cortez accused ICE of rape.

No, she accused ICE of being accused of rape.

You don’t think that a little weak Maynard?

[heybruce]

2 hours ago, Thainesss said:

 

Trumps not doing that. 

 

 

That never happened, its a lie. Had nothing to do with them being 'not white' nor anything to do with their skin color at all, and Id like to remind you that at least 2 of these congresswomen and rabid supporters of BDS have told others online the same tropes. 

 

 

Also a lie, never happened. 

 

 

Same thing happened under previous administrations, no one cared or batted an eye, and was only taken marginally further by Trump, and furthermore absolutely nothing different than when a citizen gets arrested. 

 

You don't get to enter the country because you are "seeking asylum"  -  You get to enter when you are "granted asylum". 

Glad we could clear that up. 

 

1 hour ago, mogandave said:

 

No, she accused ICE of being accused of rape.

You don’t think that a little weak Maynard?

 

Here's an example of irony:

 

When Trump insinuates that fascists and racists are fine people, or that congresswomen of color should go back to their own country, Trump supporters insist he never said that.

 

When Cortez accurately states that ICE employees have been accused of rape, Trump supporters insist that the insinuation of rape is the same as an accusation.

 

Not that's irony.

[Thainesss]

8 minutes ago, heybruce said:

When Trump insinuates that fascists and racists are fine people, or that congresswomen of color should go back to their own country, Trump supporters insist he never said that.

 

He never insinuated that, and their skin color had nothing to do with trumps statement. You guys and your politicians are using their skin color as a shield to deflect from their extremist rhetoric. 

 

11 minutes ago, heybruce said:

When Cortez accurately states that ICE employees have been accused of rape, Trump supporters insist that the insinuation of rape is the same as an accusation.

 

She said that there is widespread reporting of rape not accusations of rape which implies its factual and proven, in context of a giant meltdown post on Twitter about ICE and why she was voting no on funding. She was using it as a reason not to fund the aid package. 

 

But you keep carrying that water. 

[Scott]

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[RJRS1301]

7 hours ago, Thainesss said:

 

Trumps not doing that. 

 

 

That never happened, its a lie. Had nothing to do with them being 'not white' nor anything to do with their skin color at all, and Id like to remind you that at least 2 of these congresswomen and rabid supporters of BDS have told others online the same tropes. 

 

 

Also a lie, never happened. 

 

 

Same thing happened under previous administrations, no one cared or batted an eye, and was only taken marginally further by Trump, and furthermore absolutely nothing different than when a citizen gets arrested. 

 

You don't get to enter the country because you are "seeking asylum"  -  You get to enter when you are "granted asylum". 

Glad we could clear that up. 

Generally one seeks asylum from the “safe haven” country once they are inside its borders.

Rarely is asylum sought from within the country one wants to leave from , because the asylum seeker feels unsafe in that country 

[mogandave]

Here's an example of irony:

 

When Trump insinuates that fascists and racists are fine people, or that congresswomen of color should go back to their own country, Trump supporters insist he never said that.

 

When Cortez accurately states that ICE employees have been accused of rape, Trump supporters insist that the insinuation of rape is the same as an accusation.

 

Not that's irony.

 

Both of those are lies.

 

And I never said she called them racists.

 

 

 

 

[metisdead]

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