Thai Navy pushing Cabinet for a second Chinese submarine

[Papafarang]

Yes The UK rescue sub is going to be busy 

[Srikcir]

3 hours ago, Artisi said:

But the kiddies must have their toys, it's a bit like who's got the biggest dick or who can pee the furthest up the wall

Sadly for the Thai taxpayer, it's not just that the military wants more toys.

From https://www.thephuketnews.com/submarine-base-nears-completion-royal-thai-navy-now-needs-a-fleet-42341.php#oxh4z78UMOmx2jqG.97  (Oct. 2013):

• In 2011 the navy ordered a submarine squadron to be formed in April 2011 in anticipation of the government's green light to purchase four used German submarines worth 7 billion baht.
• In 2012 the Navy began construction of a 540 million baht submarine facility including 200 million baht of that is being spent on the Submarine Command Team Trainer, which will include a crew training stimulator (sic) - based on acquiring German submarines (never purchased).
• The navy sent 18 officers for a 32-week submarine training course in Germany, and another 10 for a similar eight-week course in South Korea.

So for what may be almost six years the navy has spent more than a half billion baht to build and maintain a submarine base; has no submarines; maintained a submarine squadron without any submarines; trained the submarine squadron for a German submarine never purchased; and yet still has no submarines on site until maybe next one-two years.

Then there is the navy's Spanish-built 7.1 billion baht aircraft carrier commissioned in Thailand in 1997 that after one year found to be too expensive to operate (requires one-two million baht to send the carrier out); mostly docked for nearly 20 years; then followed in 2015 with a nearly 10 billion baht on upgrades.  https://forum.thaivisa.com/topic/802690-thailand-has-an-aircraft-carrier-with-no-aircraft/ and numerous other links.

Obviously, the navy desperately needs to justify its mere existence from a budgetary point of view rather than showing the Thai taxpayer once again of the military's dysfunction to manage itself responsibly.

 

 

 

[Cake Monster]

6 hours ago, YetAnother said:

is there no end to the continued military foolishness here ?

Nope !

[RJRS1301]

5 hours ago, worgeordie said:

What they really need to buy is a rescue vessel for the first Sub,

......just in case it gets stuck on the bottom of the Gulf of Thailand,what are the chances !.

regards Worgeordie

Or use it in cave ?? Welcome Elon , he would have done them cheaper

[Chang_paarp]

7 hours ago, webfact said:

 

The Navy has struggled to get interest from previous Thai Cabinets but the military government since 2014 was a lot more sympathetic to their requests. The Navy told Cabinet that there have been no submarine purchases for 60 years and the Thai Navy needs submarines to protect the countries marine and coastal interests “including the Andaman Sea and Gulf of Thailand” (we’re not sure what other waters it would be protecting??).

The government since 2014 has been more sympathetic..... ????????

 

There have been no purchases for 60 years!!??? They have a 60 year old one kicking around?? ????

[Artisi]

39 minutes ago, Srikcir said:

Sadly for the Thai taxpayer, it's not just that the military wants more toys.

From https://www.thephuketnews.com/submarine-base-nears-completion-royal-thai-navy-now-needs-a-fleet-42341.php#oxh4z78UMOmx2jqG.97  (Oct. 2013):

• In 2011 the navy ordered a submarine squadron to be formed in April 2011 in anticipation of the government's green light to purchase four used German submarines worth 7 billion baht.
• In 2012 the Navy began construction of a 540 million baht submarine facility including 200 million baht of that is being spent on the Submarine Command Team Trainer, which will include a crew training stimulator (sic) - based on acquiring German submarines (never purchased).
• The navy sent 18 officers for a 32-week submarine training course in Germany, and another 10 for a similar eight-week course in South Korea.

So for what may be almost six years the navy has spent more than a half billion baht to build and maintain a submarine base; has no submarines; maintained a submarine squadron without any submarines; trained the submarine squadron for a German submarine never purchased; and yet still has no submarines on site until maybe next one-two years.

Then there is the navy's Spanish-built 7.1 billion baht aircraft carrier commissioned in Thailand in 1997 that after one year found to be too expensive to operate (requires one-two million baht to send the carrier out); mostly docked for nearly 20 years; then followed in 2015 with a nearly 10 billion baht on upgrades.  https://forum.thaivisa.com/topic/802690-thailand-has-an-aircraft-carrier-with-no-aircraft/ and numerous other links.

Obviously, the navy desperately needs to justify its mere existence from a budgetary point of view rather than showing the Thai taxpayer once again of the military's dysfunction to manage itself responsibly.

 

 

 

Nothing surprising there, except the little amount of money squandered on the boys toys, I'm sure had they really tried they could have easily doubled the expenditure. 

[hotchilli]

8 hours ago, webfact said:

The navy says they’re now waiting for the new parliament to approve the government’s 2020 budget before the purchase of a second submarine can be approved.

Military seems to have deep pockets, never ending budget to buy toys when there is no evidence of a threat from anyone!

[Artisi]

23 minutes ago, hotchilli said:

Military seems to have deep pockets, never ending budget to buy toys when there is no evidence of a threat from anyone!

The only threat to Thailand is Thailand. 

[Enoon]

7 hours ago, holy cow cm said:

 

Andaman is more like it at 1000m,

 

Which is where they are intended for use, as well as other areas "Extra-Gulf".

 

They will use the Gulf for transit.

 

They are not for defence of the Gulf.

 

They are for power projection beyond it.

 

They have been purchased to provide the ability to threaten (Prayuth described it as "impress") other countries and to compete for "influence" in the Indian Ocean.

 

But you were right about:

"Gulf of Thailand is on average 60m and at best 90m deep? Maybe a mini sub".

 

This is for the Gulf:

Thai Navy contracts BMT for work on new midget submarine | Naval ...

 

 

 

 

Edited July 30, 2019 by Enoon

[HeyHeyHey]

Meanwhile hard-core criminal mums stealing shoes and baby formulas as they can't afford it...

 

Sick

[wisperone]

I doubt if you will see many volunteering for duty on a Chinese made sub. "You go"..."No, you go".....

 

Then again, its probably a exact replica of a US made sub constructed using all stolen plans.

[Dap]

!!!!!

[Cadbury]

11 hours ago, webfact said:

Thai Navy pushing Cabinet for a second Chinese submarine

Thai Navy being the useless non functional RTN officers. The ones in charge of the derelict aircraft carrier.

Cabinet being the chosen few who are the supporters of the PM and his devoted Phalang Pracharat Party. (They will support anything he tells them to support.) 

Chinese submarines. Follow the trail of envelopes.

[Wilsonandson]

Asian boys and their toys.

[wisperone]

I assume this won't be nuclear weapon equipped. 

 

"What's this button for"? "Don't touch thaaattt", "Woops, my bad".

[TheHangingJudge]

Lunatics 

[jethro69]

16 hours ago, worgeordie said:

 

......just in case it gets stuck on the bottom of the Gulf of Thailand,what are the chances !.

regards Worgeordie

Chances are, that the periscope still reaching out of the water....????

[Geoffggi]

One question - Why does the Thai Navy need submarines???

[Jiggo]

I think this will go the same way as there ''Harrier'' aircraft story, sorry the cheaper Spanish ''Matador'' version lol

[VocalNeal]

22 hours ago, Artisi said:

But the kiddies must have their toys, it's a bit like who's got the biggest dick or who can pee the furthest up the wall 

 

Vietnam has 6

Singapore has 4

Malaysia has 2

Indonesia has 5

South Korea has 16

 

[Oziex1]

On 7/30/2019 at 10:11 AM, londonthai said:

the election went very well for the junta, dissolving opposition party, barring a PM candidate which would sweep generals into history. What, is she comes back in a few years and cancels all junta armament orders, sells off their toys and land, cancels their pensions, bonuses?

She would vanish without a trace. 

[Burma Bill]

I wonder if it will be painted yellow!!

[Artisi]

31 minutes ago, Oziex1 said:

She would vanish without a trace. 

she virtually vanished sometime back much to the so-called surprise of the junta who were left scratching their collective b a l l s and "how did that happen, right under our noses" - so the story goes ????

[DILLIGAD]

Maybe they are buying the second one for spares, until they can work how to control it!!!

Are there any reports of what tasks the first one has completed successfully? Has it ever been put to sea??

 

 

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