'Suffocating' UK factories report biggest fall in output in seven years - PMI

[puipuitom]

21 hours ago, tomacht8 said:

Is all Project fear. 

All the business bosses and experts have no idea. On the 1st of November, paradise will open over the UK. Blessed are the poor in spirit.

MY FEAR: how is it possible so many in the UK do not see the economic and financial danger they are stearing their country to

[puipuitom]

Wohw… a hand steared lathe as used in the 60's... I remember from the time I studies Physics… This is a picture from a museam ?

 

[puipuitom]

21 hours ago, ratcatcher said:

After Brexit, the demand for Scottish curling stones will skyrocket as they look to N.American markets.

If… then the Germans will produce then on their computer steared systems... 

[joecoolfrog]

5 hours ago, Jip99 said:

 

Que Sera, Sera

 

 

No one said it would be easy.

 

Well nice Mr Farage certainly did , apparently millions agreed with him.

I wonder as we all plunge lemming like off an economic cliff ,whether they will still be clinging to their notion that " project fear " was an illusion.

[puipuitom]

9 hours ago, terryw said:

Schoolboy standard reporting. Germany's PMI has fallen more than the UK yet this is not specifically mentioned as a comparison by Reuters. Manufacturering is less than 10% of the UK economy compared to more than 20% in Germany.

 

Learn first what a PMI stands for.

https://www.investing.com/economic-calendar/german-manufacturing-pmi-136  

https://tradingeconomics.com/germany/manufacturing-pmi

[CNXexpat]

It will not become better.

[joecoolfrog]

5 hours ago, Jip99 said:

 

There could be a few remainers on here needing my services if Boris pulls off Brexit !!

 

 

Keep that unicorn idea to yourself/ourselves, we could be on a winner.....????

As a , albeit reluctant , remain voter I would be delighted to see Boris pull off a Brexit deal.

However crashing out with no deal would be a nightmare that would harm our economy for years.

The saving grace is that Boris is fully aware of that fact , despite what he may say publicly to the contrary , dont think it will happen.

Make no mistake , Boris had one goal which he has now achieved , if backing remain had helped his cause , he would certainly have done so.

[tomacht8]

26 minutes ago, puipuitom said:

MY FEAR: how is it possible so many in the UK do not see the economic and financial danger they are stearing their country to

That's partly inexplicable for me too.

There are certainly many people in the UK who are at the bottom of the income pyramid. Those who have nothing left to lose. But I can not imagine that there are so many.

 

Then there is the group of those who do not understand the economic context. It can be due to there education. The knowledge supply then runs through the gossip press and pubs.

 

Then there is the group of nationalists. Including many older pensioners who have experienced the better times of the UK. Of these, one often hears the ancient signs for mainland Europeans. The old enemy pictures of the wars are maintained. The frogs and the krauts. They may not want to hear that their pensions are not so safe. This group also has the least benefits of the EU. They do not travel and the chance to work freely in other countries has no meaning in their life situation.

 

Then, as in many other countries, there are the real foreigner haters and chaotics. Many real losers, unemployed, petty criminals and unskilled workers who enjoy the slogans of violence.

 

[dunroaming]

52 minutes ago, johnnybangkok said:

Sorry to hear that you had to do that but it might give some of the people on this forum who only know the hypothetical regarding Brexit and who have little “skin in the game” an example if what’s really happening because of it.

I fear you are one of many. 

I am lucky to be able to move so easily and still remain in Britain where my son is being educated.  Although I haven't, I know that some of the other businesses are being contacted daily by others who are seriously looking at doing the same thing.  The driving factor at the moment for most businesses (that have an element of importing parts etc.) is the weakness of the pound and the probability of that being the case for quite a while with a no-deal Brexit.  The banks are certainly reluctant to finance projects or expansion for these businesses.

 

 

 

 

[joecoolfrog]

5 hours ago, Jip99 said:

 

 

There are not many of those from the evidence of my conversations. Surprisingly, more remainers choosing Brexit because of the EU intransigence (their words, not mine).

 

 

From a business advancement point of view the crematorium is happy to take leavers or remainers.

That may well be your experience but I think a second referendum would almost certainly result in a fairly comfortable remain victory.

I dont incidently favour a second vote but I do wish that Brexiters had been more realistic in their aspirations.

In years to come I fear that there will be a lot of hand wringing and dismay that Mrs May's deal was rejected.

[joecoolfrog]

5 hours ago, bert bloggs said:

and remainers still quote rubbish .their delusion is something to behold .

Impressive rebuttal.....if it were from a 10 year old in the playground.

[joecoolfrog]

6 hours ago, bert bloggs said:

yes but it was a rubbish deal that was offered" no deal is better than a bad deal" now what remainer said that?

So perhaps you would explain exactly why it was ' rubbish '.

Had Cameron secured a deal even close to it there would never had been a referendum and Farage would have felt vindicated.

[billd766]

6 hours ago, johnnybangkok said:

They have made a deal. It's just that no one wants the deal as so much more was (stupidly) promised by the Brexit brigade.

The Brexit brigade have made no deals with the EU. 

 

Teresa May with her Remainer cabinet tried for 3 years to do so and her much vaunted deal didn't get parliament not once, not even twice but 3 times it was turned down by parliament.

 

So where is the completed and signed off deal now?

[joecoolfrog]

2 hours ago, HeyHeyHey said:

Not under witches bitches like May - only depression under that one.

 

Now people can look forward to things.

So when Boris doesn't get a better deal , who is the new scapegoat ?

[soalbundy]

9 hours ago, Estrada said:

The succesful company I built up in the UK, that was established 50 years ago, has gone bankrupt due to Brexit. I sold my shares in 1994 and I worked closely with Anthony Bamford of JCB for years. Lord Bamford is the main financier of Brexit and Boris Johnson to the tune of at least GBP 1 Million to date. He and other millionaires behind Brexit, stand make billions whilst duping the leavers into believing that they will benefit, whch clearly they are not. Leavers told me 3 years ago that the fall in the value of the Pound would only be for 3 weeks. 3 years later, the pound is still on its knees, businesses are planning to close and relocate with more job losses.

 

only three weeks you say and you believed them, was it written on the bus?

[soalbundy]

Just now, joecoolfrog said:

So when Boris doesn't get a better deal , who is the new scapegoat ?

Merkel usually

[Baerboxer]

22 hours ago, ratcatcher said:

After Brexit, the demand for Scottish curling stones will skyrocket as they look to N.American markets.

 

This will become a key export industry in Supreme Leader Sturgeon's new Independent Scottish nation.

[Baerboxer]

12 minutes ago, joecoolfrog said:

So when Boris doesn't get a better deal , who is the new scapegoat ?

 

He'll blame the EU. Say they wouldn't play nicely with him. 

 

Then amidst the UK constitutional crisis and complete fcku up he'll probably do a runner.

[stevenl]

17 minutes ago, joecoolfrog said:

So when Boris doesn't get a better deal , who is the new scapegoat ?

Boris will get the same deal, just made to look a bit better.

 

Everybody happy ????

[Nigel Garvie]

7 hours ago, thaiguzzi said:

Yo! Indeed.

Fellow lathe operator!

High 5!

I have a Bison Dickson clone on my Boxford VSL over here, with 19 tool holders, 16 of which i made myself.

One of my biggest regrets was not bringing my Roundhead Student with me.

Regards.

 

 

Nice bit of kit for it's age. I am currently enjoying my Chipmaster, 35mm through the spindle which I need for working on the end of long bars. No spares for the TOS so sadly it was scrapped, some machine at 1.3 tons which I bought for £1000 cash, those were the days. I mainly work on hardwoods, but do toolmaking from time to time. No longer full time, back is acting up, but can still say I love my work, which is unusual apparently. Now back on topic, interesting sidetrack though. I was planning to do some work out here, but I'm still sourcing materials. ATB.

[dunroaming]

5 minutes ago, Nigel Garvie said:

Nice bit of kit for it's age. I am currently enjoying my Chipmaster, 35mm through the spindle which I need for working on the end of long bars. No spares for the TOS so sadly it was scrapped, some machine at 1.3 tons which I bought for £1000 cash, those were the days. I mainly work on hardwoods, but do toolmaking from time to time. No longer full time, back is acting up, but can still say I love my work, which is unusual apparently. Now back on topic, interesting sidetrack though. I was planning to do some work out here, but I'm still sourcing materials. ATB.

I think you two should get a room!

[Jip99]

2 hours ago, joecoolfrog said:

That may well be your experience but I think a second referendum would almost certainly result in a fairly comfortable remain victory.

I dont incidently favour a second vote but I do wish that Brexiters had been more realistic in their aspirations.

In years to come I fear that there will be a lot of hand wringing and dismay that Mrs May's deal was rejected.

 

 

The only aspiration I had was to leave. That was one of the 2 options that I could vote for.

 

 

[Jip99]

3 hours ago, joecoolfrog said:

Well nice Mr Farage certainly did , apparently millions agreed with him.

I wonder as we all plunge lemming like off an economic cliff ,whether they will still be clinging to their notion that " project fear " was an illusion.

 

 

Opportunity should not be confused with easy.. especially when dealing with those b4stards in the EU.

 

Project Fear was, and is, very real and an inflation of reality.

 

I note that we are still not at parity with the Euro, or the Dollar.......

[Nigel Garvie]

9 minutes ago, Jip99 said:

 

 

Opportunity should not be confused with easy.. especially when dealing with those b4stards in the EU.

 

Project Fear was, and is, very real and an inflation of reality.

 

I note that we are still not at parity with the Euro, or the Dollar.......

Wonderful, I love this line "Project Fear was, and is, very real and an inflation of reality"

Can you say very real, or a little real, or rather unique for that matter; it's called qualifying an absolute, it's either real or it ain't. I'm struggling with "An inflation of reality", I though it sounded impressive, and maybe I could use it in a song, but I'm not sure people would understand. Possibly it's a cross between the inflation stage at the beginning of the universe, and LSD!!

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[3NUMBAS]

not half as bad as german and french factories where a slump looms

[thaiguzzi]

2 hours ago, Nigel Garvie said:

Nice bit of kit for it's age. I am currently enjoying my Chipmaster, 35mm through the spindle which I need for working on the end of long bars. No spares for the TOS so sadly it was scrapped, some machine at 1.3 tons which I bought for £1000 cash, those were the days. I mainly work on hardwoods, but do toolmaking from time to time. No longer full time, back is acting up, but can still say I love my work, which is unusual apparently. Now back on topic, interesting sidetrack though. I was planning to do some work out here, but I'm still sourcing materials. ATB.

Chipmaster is a wonderful lathe with that art deco headstock. A sort of variable speed Bantam with a Student spindle hole.

Holes - er yeah, Boxford pitiful 20mm... Lathe is a 69. Have a Tom Senior mill here, and a Boxford shaper and a Stent T&CG amongst other things.

I presume all your stuff described is in the UK?

 

Sorry guys - carry on back on topic re politics....

[bristolboy]

27 minutes ago, thaiguzzi said:

Chipmaster is a wonderful lathe with that art deco headstock. A sort of variable speed Bantam with a Student spindle hole.

Holes - er yeah, Boxford pitiful 20mm... Lathe is a 69. Have a Tom Senior mill here, and a Boxford shaper and a Stent T&CG amongst other things.

I presume all your stuff described is in the UK?

 

Sorry guys - carry on back on topic re politics....

Conversations in which the participants actually know what they're talking are unsuitable for airing on thaivisa

[brucec64]

9 hours ago, HeyHeyHey said:

Not under witches bitches like May - only depression under that one.

 

Now people can look forward to things.

I look forward to swimming in gold.

[Handsome Gardener]

On ‎8‎/‎1‎/‎2019 at 1:28 PM, zorrow424 said:

Plenty of factories around the world report this too,   and so what    goes up,goes down fact is it never stays down

Brexiteer economic manifesto in full technical detail !

[Handsome Gardener]

15 hours ago, Jip99 said:

 

 

Wasn't a very resilient business then ?

 

Surely you, like the rest of us knew, the value of the Pound wouldbe subject to speculation until Brexit was resolved ?

What an utterly absurd comment - if the case for Brexit was proven then the pound would have gained correct ? 

 

ie the entire gamut of negative predictions is all mistaken and the brexiteers had it sussed all along right ? Your exit is based on absolutely nothing, no evidenced based predictions, no projections, no known trade deals, WTO rules that you don't understand, endless tariffs, Irish troubles to return, investment in short supply but backed by millionaire politicians wanting to make a name for themselves that won't be affected whatsoever regardless of the outcome. Yet the consequences of leaving have been spelt out very very clearly in upper case for the not too bright. Or are they all bias ?

 

Know when to stop digging chap. (Or with specifics give us the growth plan of a brexiteer faced with the above) - I am genuinely interested as to where hope ends and actual specifics starts.