EU must change its negotiating terms for Brexit, says Britain's Barclay

[Loiner]

Yes we were misled by Ted Heath and his merry band of liars in 1973 and I have no recollection of any pamphlet being delivered in 1975 at all and voted for it then.

I don’t remember a pamphlet like Cameron’s Remain propaganda, but there was the “Fanfare for Europe”. My school bag even had “I’m a fanfare fan” stickers plastered on it.
Although I wasn’t old enough to vote, I didn’t think it was a good idea then, but hey - free stickers!

[Loiner]

So than you by now that that shall stay U.K.'s "wet dream" and after 1 November 3 th country tariffs probably until better understandings should surface from 1 or both sides ...

Dunno what you’re on about mate. Which part do you think will be wet?
1) When we Leave on 31st Oct, or
2) When we get a fair deal because we are not shackled to the EU’s conditions.
I know you won’t like either shot, but open wide and get a load. Twice

[Loiner]

So, all expenditures in the running budget period, where the British government signed for,
 
 
 

Dunno what you’re on about either mate.
Only Theresa signed and she’s history now, so is what she signed.
Get in line after david555 and you’re next.

[Loiner]

You keep repeating your mantra, blaming the EU and remainers. Why not blame the brexiteers who started this off - and probably finish - without even the very beginnings of a plan. 

And I’ll repeat again. The current three year delay and failure to Leave is the fault of Theresa May, Remainers and EU.
It was Remainer Dave who did not have a plan, so Theresa had to formulate the Remain plot up to the time she eventually invoked Article 50, then delayed the Leave date twice.
Remainer fault, not Leavers.

[david555]

1 hour ago, Loiner said:

Dunno what you’re on about mate. Which part do you think will be wet?
1) When we Leave on 31st Oct, or
2) When we get a fair deal because we are not shackled to the EU’s conditions.
I know you won’t like either shot, but open wide and get a load. Twice

You are very free to dream about both sir , dreams are for free....it is only the awakening who disappoint on such dreams ….????

 

 

 

Edited August 5, 2019 by david555

[luckyluke]

44 minutes ago, Loiner said:

And I’ll repeat again. The current three year delay and failure to Leave is the fault of Theresa May, Remainers and EU.
It was Remainer Dave who did not have a plan, so Theresa had to formulate the Remain plot up to the time she eventually invoked Article 50, then delayed the Leave date twice.
Remainer fault, not Leavers.

 

Some will  agree with this, others won't.

 

But whatever,

it is always interesting to read the different interpretation of

evenements. 

 

[juice777]

Untrue.
https://eu-rope.ideasoneurope.eu/2018/11/04/britain-wasnt-misled-in-1975/

Yep another lie what people voted to leave just swallowed up.I wasn't born till 1975 so I just assumed it was true and it was the one thing I felt they had a point on but still maintained that was no reason to come out because we will be worst out then In. I was absolutely shocked to find that that was lies as well.



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[juice777]

Do you mean the referendum that Ted Heath lied about?
 
The one about the UK was only joining the EEC?

So you mean this one the one with the Bus and the one when we was told a deal with EU would be easy as pie

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[ffaarraanngg]

6 hours ago, puipuitom said:

When you, British, want to buy or sell something in €uroland, you will be confronted with the currency exchange rate. Same for other countries. Ask the British pensionario's trying to survive in e.g. Thailand.

But.. for a Brexiteer, who is still in the times of Kitchener and Gordon, of course a gigantic step too far.

Also the wild-haired clown, as minister of foreign affairs, did not have the slightest idea about the British behaviour in Birma, 19+20th century.

To be frank you Dutch are a bunch of arrogant cnts who folded faster then the French in WW2. What a pathetic bunch your male species were. Yet you pointless <deleted> who were not man enough to even attempt to defend your land were more than happy to rely on us Brits to free you.

 

Dutch characteristics are what the rest of Europeans think of Germans in that you are arrogant and robotic with zero sense of humour.

 

The reason you lot are so happy to be governed and controlled by the Germans is because at least this way you know you'll never have to defend your country against them as its been shown your males lack the spine to even try.

 

Too add its Burma not Birma, and the fact Boris is astoundingly intellectual, he will be far greater read and informed abut Burma than a fkn Cloggy on Thaivisa.

Edited August 5, 2019 by ffaarraanngg

[tomacht8]

34 minutes ago, ffaarraanngg said:

To be frank you Dutch are a bunch of arrogant cnts who folded faster then the French in WW2. What a pathetic bunch your male species were. Yet you pointless <deleted> who were not man enough to even attempt to defend your land were more than happy to rely on us Brits to free you.

 

Dutch characteristics are what the rest of Europeans think of Germans in that you are arrogant and robotic with zero sense of humour.

 

The reason you lot are so happy to be governed and controlled by the Germans is because at least this way you know you'll never have to defend your country against them as its been shown your males lack the spine to even try.

 

Too add its Burma not Birma, and the fact Boris is astoundingly intellectual, he will be far greater read and informed abut Burma than a fkn Cloggy on Thaivisa.

What has such a medieval drivel to do with the current Brexit situation? If you have not noticed yet, the 2 World War has been over since 74 years. Such a sweeping peoples hate, you should look for psychological treatment.

 

Edited August 5, 2019 by tomacht8

[candide]

47 minutes ago, ffaarraanngg said:

To be frank you Dutch are a bunch of arrogant cnts who folded faster then the French in WW2. What a pathetic bunch your male species were. Yet you pointless <deleted> who were not man enough to even attempt to defend your land were more than happy to rely on us Brits to free you.

 

Dutch characteristics are what the rest of Europeans think of Germans in that you are arrogant and robotic with zero sense of humour.

 

The reason you lot are so happy to be governed and controlled by the Germans is because at least this way you know you'll never have to defend your country against them as its been shown your males lack the spine to even try.

 

Too add its Burma not Birma, and the fact Boris is astoundingly intellectual, he will be far greater read and informed abut Burma than a fkn Cloggy on Thaivisa.

When Brexiteers mention WW2, one knows they are really short of valid arguments....

[bannork]

9 minutes ago, ffaarraanngg said:

We Brexiteers have endless valid arguments.

 

But the one that matters most is we won the referendum you fascist little twerp.

 

And mentioning WW2 is apt, being as it was us Brits fighting and defeating you fascist scum.

 

You didn't win a referendum that said Leave with no deal. Have a referendum now with that as one of the options and see how many votes you get.

[nauseus]

6 hours ago, candide said:

It's quite interesting to read the anti-EC arguments during the referendum campaign. Where have I read similar arguments more recently? ????

"Their ‘NO’ campaign referendum literature, also distributed to every household, warned what they considered were the dangers of membership:

To end a thousand years of British freedom and independent nationhood is an unheard of constitutional change.

Do you want us to be a self-governing nation, or to be a province of Europe?

Do we want self-government as a great independent nation, or do we want to be governed as a province of the EEC by Commissioners and a Council of Ministers, predominantly foreign, in Brussels?

Do we want to lose the whole of our individual influence as a nation, which is still great, in order to enhance the status of Europe, which would then function largely outside our control?"

Sounds about right. What's your point?

[Laughing Gravy]

12 hours ago, puipuitom said:

So, all expenditures in the running budget period, where the British government signed for, inclusive payments to public and private organisations, private persons in the UK: stop immediately. Mr Farange: bye-bye to your EU pension. And NO information exchange anymore from EU databases to the UK.  see  https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-uk-eu-police-europol-michel-barnier-latest-talks-britain-database-a8405751.html  

 

1.     UK Made Illegal Copies and Mismanaged …

 

https://yro.slashdot.org/story/19/07/29/1727253

 

Authorities in the United Kingdom have made unauthorized copies of data stored inside a EU database for ... UK Made Illegal Copies and Mismanaged Schengen ... out all ...

 

2.    

 

3.     UK made illegal copies and mismanaged Schengen …

 

https://www.zdnet.com/article/uk-made-illegal-copies-and-mismanaged-schengen-travelers...

 

27-7-2019 · UK made illegal copies and mismanaged Schengen ... UK officials made copies of this database and stored ... out ...

 

4.    

 

5.     EU Indirectly Confirms UK Is Taking “Practical Steps ...

 

https://www.schengenvisainfo.com/news/eu-indirectly-confirms-uk-is-taking-practical...

 

... from the database of the Schengen ... of the British authorities regarding the Schengen ... to the SIS made numerous copies of ...

 

 

 

1.     UK unlawfully copying data from EU police system

 

https://euobserver.com/justice/141919

 

28-5-2018 · The British government is ... The United Kingdom has been illegally copying classified personal information from a database ... the UK made illegal copies ...

 

2.    

 

3.     Brexit: key strands of British policing 'in jeopardy ...

 

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/jul/27/nca-harvesting-eu-databases-owing-to...

 

27-7-2019 · SIS II is the Schengen Information System database. ... by the UK once the country is out of ... which is said to have made allegations of illegal ...

 

 

 

Your anti British posts are astounding and always trying to belittle the UK and especially England. What happened did a Brit steal your wife.

 

Regardless, you spend so much time telling us all on here how we have made a mistake, how the UK doesn't know what it has done, how stupid we and the politicians are.

 

I and I know many others, don't care what some bigoted, hate filled Dutchman thinks, because his country is ruled and dominated by the EU or Germany in disguise. Your ranting is embarrassing.

Edited August 6, 2019 by Laughing Gravy

[david555]

58 minutes ago, Laughing Gravy said:

Your anti British posts are astounding and always trying to belittle the UK and especially England. What happened did a Brit steal your wife.

 

Regardless, you spend so much time telling us all on here how we have made a mistake, how the UK doesn't know what it has done, how stupid we and the politicians are.

 

I and I know many others, don't care what some bigoted, hate filled Dutchman thinks, because his country is ruled and dominated by the EU or Germany in disguise. Your ranting is embarrassing.

what about this then , it looks only Brexiteers Brits have that privilege …,to be sharp ,...or just answering someone on same level does not mean hating someone for himself, I example can separate Brexit comments from other topics and answer them in a non Brexit way ! It looks like as long your side can do it the other side may not ….. childish behavior.... sorry to say 

 

 

 

Edited August 6, 2019 by david555

[neverceasetobeamazed]

22 hours ago, pegman said:

Nov.1, 2019

£1=฿28.5

As much as that, so won't have to forgo my Gin and tonic each night.  .   Lets get it done and over with.   I'm ready for 25 baht to the pound.  A sacrifice worth making.   Go Bojo go

[Moo 2]

It's a UK problem, they broke their contract with the EU, therefore the EU just has to wait

until the UK makes up its mind about getting out or staying in. The EU won't make any

concession with a bunch of untrusted fanatics.

 

 

If you own a gun you can rob a bank, but if you own a bank you can rob everyone.

[Laughing Gravy]

38 minutes ago, david555 said:

what about this then , it looks only Brexiteers Brits have that privilege …,to be sharp ,...or just answering someone on same level does not mean hating someone for himself, I example can separate Brexit comments from other topics and answer them in a non Brexit way ! It looks like as long your side can do it the other side may not ….. childish behavior.... sorry to say 

 

 

 

I was wondering when the other Dutch, anti British, tells us how we have all made a mistake leaving the EU poster would chip in.

I can't comment on other posters but I imagine the constant belittling of the UK from your countrymen, could cause the response.

[pegman]

1 hour ago, neverceasetobeamazed said:

As much as that, so won't have to forgo my Gin and tonic each night.  .   Lets get it done and over with.   I'm ready for 25 baht to the pound.  A sacrifice worth making.   Go Bojo go

Just keep it to Gilbey's while in Thailand as it's the most affordable. 

[superal]

To the non Brits who posted on this topic , especially those who do not disclose their nationality , the original EEC was set up as a trading zone within the European countries to facilitate the ease of trading and that was how it was sold to the UK public by E. Heath .  It has changed beyond recognition to that of a bureaucracy that is power struck and allows very little in the way of any EU country to self govern . 

It has to be said that immigration was at the forefront of the UK referendum 2016 along with the over burdened NHS , housing shortages , cuts in the  education budget and general austerity measures . The UK contribution to the EU could have been better spent at home .  When the UK leave there will be an annual deficit to the EU of 10 billion pounds , that being the final sum at the balance of the books .

It does not take an Einstein to work out how the EU will suffer when trying to subsidise  this loss . The main player being Germany has just avoided going into recession and coupled with a right wing political rise their future is not rosy . France is not without its problems and also has a strong right wing rising . There is one common denominator from many Europeans and that is their country has lost its identity , cultures and customs .  Globalisation is being promoted by the bureaucrats much to the distaste of many a European . 

[sandyf]

44 minutes ago, superal said:

the original EEC was set up as a trading zone within the European countries to facilitate the ease of trading and that was how it was sold to the UK public by E. Heath . 

That is not true. The future path of the EC was laid out and documented by members at a meeting in Dec 1969. The UK government, parliament and probably a large number of civil servants would have been fully aware of what had been decided and the path that was to be taken.

It is a brexiteer myth to say that nobody knew where the EC was heading before the UK joined far less by 1975. Having had to endure a state of emergency several times in the space of a few years the population was more than happy for some sort of change, and they confirmed that support in 1975.

[sandyf]

23 hours ago, Baerboxer said:

Barnier and the EU leaders must think they're dealing with a bunch of complete tossers!

Obviously they are. The single market is covered by the Single Market Act and only a "complete tosser" would think the EU is going to ignore its responsibilities under that act.

[ThomasThBKK]

25 minutes ago, superal said:

housing shortages

Yeah you can't build anywhere there because it's damn near impossible to get a planning permission from your lovely government, that's the reason.

Most land is not buildable on in the UK, the councils have to decide on releasing more - State/Queen own most land in the UK, a bit like Thailand...

There's also a lack of talent in construction, since the last financial crisis wiped out most small home builders in the UK. Throwing immigrants out will for sure solve this crisis.

 

 

31 minutes ago, superal said:

It has to be said that immigration was at the forefront of the UK referendum 2016 along with the over burdened NHS

Is contradicting, as EU immigrants are a net plus for the UK NHS - but how would Brits know, right?

NHS budget is coupled to the GDP of the UK, so well, we'll see how that works out in future.

 

... the rest of your text is equally easy to debunk.

 

53 minutes ago, superal said:

When the UK leave there will be an annual deficit to the EU of 10 billion pounds , that being the final sum at the balance of the books .

It does not take an Einstein to work out how the EU will suffer when trying to subsidise  this loss

Prolly from financial licenses all the UK banks will have to get in Europe now as they else lose access to the market.

This is called passporting rights, the bank of england explains it to you: https://www.bankofengland.co.uk/prudential-regulation/authorisations/passporting

 

Also no one claims the EU will be better off without the Brits, it's a lose-lose situation, the biggest loser will be the UK tho. It must be really hard for some people to understand.

 

50 minutes ago, superal said:

The main player being Germany has just avoided going into recession and coupled with a right wing political rise their future is not rosy

What on earth are you on about?  The green party is rising, it's an eco and leftwing party, it overtook the conservative CDU/CSU by now: https://www.thelocal.de/20190527/surfing-the-zeitgeist-how-the-greens-won-over-germany

You also just avoided a recession, like many countries world wide atm due to ongoing trade wars and brexit bs: https://www.ft.com/content/a6718c64-ac78-11e9-8030-530adfa879c2 

 

 

.... tell us some more fantasies, keep us entertained.

[7by7]

The title of this thread says it all about the majority of Brexiteers: "EU must change its negotiating terms for Brexit, says Britain's ."

 

That has been the Brexiteer mantra since the referendum; "The EU must do this, the EU must do that, the EU must do what we tell them to!"

 

Cummings' leave campaign propaganda via his politician puppets told us that we could leave the EU and ditch the responsibilities of membership but still retain all the benefits. Unfortunately enough people were gullible enough to fall for that lie to tip the result narrowly in his favour.

 

The EU doesn't have to do anything, doesn't have to give us anything. The UK has decided to leave, all the EU legally must do is let us. Anything else is negotiable. 

 

The reality is that whilst a no deal Brexit will be bad for both us and the EU, it will be far worse for us. The EU know this, Boris knows this, even Rees-Mogg knows this.

 

The EU have no reason to substantially change the deal they have already agreed to. 

 

Remember, it is not the EU who prevented us from leaving on 29th March; it was Rees-Mogg and his ERG. Now that they have achieved their aim of getting their chosen candidate into number 10 they will support any deal he brings to Parliament. Even though that deal will inevitably be indistinguishable from May's deal in all essentials.

[Mavideol]

1 minute ago, 7by7 said:

The title of this thread says it all about the majority of Brexiteers: "EU must change its negotiating terms for Brexit, says Britain's ."

 

That has been the Brexiteer mantra since the referendum; "The EU must do this, the EU must do that, the EU must do what we tell them to!"

 

Cummings' leave campaign propaganda via his politician puppets told us that we could leave the EU and ditch the responsibilities of membership but still retain all the benefits. Unfortunately enough people were gullible enough to fall for that lie to tip the result narrowly in his favour.

 

The EU doesn't have to do anything, doesn't have to give us anything. The UK has decided to leave, all the EU legally must do is let us. Anything else is negotiable. 

 

The reality is that whilst a no deal Brexit will be bad for both us and the EU, it will be far worse for us. The EU know this, Boris knows this, even Rees-Mogg knows this.

 

The EU have no reason to substantially change the deal they have already agreed to. 

 

Remember, it is not the EU who prevented us from leaving on 29th March; it was Rees-Mogg and his ERG. Now that they have achieved their aim of getting their chosen candidate into number 10 they will support any deal he brings to Parliament. Even though that deal will inevitably be indistinguishable from May's deal in all essentials.

finally a brexiter with the courage to call it as it is.....thanks and the update as of today is the EU will not open negotiations with BJ because of his approach to the Irish back stop and as they said, nothing new to negotiate, get ready for the bumpy road

[7by7]

Just now, Mavideol said:

finally a brexiter with the courage to call it as it is.....thanks and the update as of today is the EU will not open negotiations with BJ because of his approach to the Irish back stop and as they said, nothing new to negotiate, get ready for the bumpy road

 I wish a Brexiteer would have the courage to call it as it is; but I am and always have been a Remainer.

 

Whilst I have always said that the EU is not perfect, I have also always said we are better off in rather than out.

[Mavideol]

Just now, 7by7 said:

 I wish a Brexiteer would have the courage to call it as it is; but I am and always have been a Remainer.

 

Whilst I have always said that the EU is not perfect, I have also always said we are better off in rather than out.

sorry for the involuntary insult, kindly accept my apologies 555...  and yes somebody once said, if we can't beat them better join them, am with you

[JonnyF]

24 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

The EU doesn't have to do anything, doesn't have to give us anything. The UK has decided to leave, all the EU legally must do is let us. Anything else is negotiable. 

Equally, we don't have to give the EU anything, we just leave. No hard border, no 39 Billion, no more ECJ jurisdiction, no more access to UK fishing waters, no more 8.9 Billion pounds a year net contribution to support the EU's failing economic model.

 

All that is ultimately left on 1st November is a 64 Billion pound trade surplus that the EU has with the UK. I'd be looking for a trade deal to protect that if I was in the EU. The only question is how much of their nose are they prepared to cut off to spite their face. 

[Mavideol]

1 minute ago, JonnyF said:

Equally, we don't have to give the EU anything, we just leave. No hard border, no 39 Billion, no more ECJ jurisdiction, no more access to UK fishing waters, no more 8.9 Billion pounds a year net contribution to support the EU's failing economic model.

 

All that is ultimately left on 1st November is a 64 Billion pound trade surplus that the EU has with the UK. I'd be looking for a trade deal to protect that if I was in the EU. The only question is how much of their nose are they prepared to cut off to spite their face. 

please, please do and when the NI start the bombings don't come back crying the blues

[vogie]

1 minute ago, Mavideol said:

please, please do and when the NI start the bombings don't come back crying the blues

If we don't want the EU running our country, we certainly won't let terrorists run it either. Are you saying we should cancel Brexit because of the terrorists, Brits don't think like that.