Trump condemns white supremacy, vague on gun measures after U.S. shootings

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

2 minutes ago, Sujo said:

Depends if he is stoking the flames or trying to put it out.

 

there was a bipartisan bill passed in february which mconnell wont allow a vote and trump said he would veto.

 

Re your first sentence above, that's kind of the key and central difference -- one that Trump fans and gun nuts clearly don't want to acknowledge for obvious reasons.

 

A president either works to unite Americans behind common values, or seeks to create division and fear for perceived political advantage. Obama consistently did the former. Trump has consistently done the latter.

 

 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

7 minutes ago, marcusarelus said:

Good play a few months ago but not now.  Submit a bill right now and the senate will pass and Trump will not veto.  Unfortunately this will not happen.  The dems will say what you said so they don't have to take a chance of the bill passing.  They are all sneaky crooks.  You have not figured this out? 

 There's a House passed gun control (background checks) bill awaiting Senate action right now. McConnell has refused to bring the bill to a vote in the Senate, and at least thus far, isn't responding to calls that the Senate be recalled from recess for a vote on the bill. Stop spewing lies and garbage.

 

The Senate under McConnell has had months to consider and pass this bill, and he's made sure that never happened. And AFAIK, Trump has never publicly supported the bill, either before the shootings, or even in his public statements after the two recent mass murder shootings.

 

 

Edited August 6, 2019 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[wayned]

2 minutes ago, marcusarelus said:

Good play a few months ago but not now.  Submit a bill right now and the senate will pass and Trump will not veto.  Unfortunately this will not happen.  The dems will say what you said so they don't have to take a chance of the bill passing.

The bill is sitting there already passed by the House.  All McConnell would have to do is call the Senate back in from vacation and pass the existing bill.  I bet that Trump has already "colluded" with McConnel to not do that since he would then have to veto it!

[mtls2005]

6 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

There's a House passed gun control (background checks) bill awaiting Senate action right now. McConnell has refused to bring the bill to a vote in the Senate

 

https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/house-bill/8

 

#massacremitch

 

 

Personally, I'd like to see PLCAA repealed as well. Why the gun industry gets a special exemption seems, well slightly corrupt.

 

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/109/s397/text

 

 

 

 

 

Edited August 6, 2019 by mtls2005

[Becker]

41 minutes ago, Thingamabob said:

The Democrats supported both slavery and segregation, not the Republicans 

And in medieval times......

Congrats on the lamest deflection post of the month. 

[Berkshire]

36 minutes ago, marcusarelus said:

Watching the anti Trump hour on CNN they had a Mexican lawyer on explaining how Trump was responsible the recent mass shootings but Clinton and Obama were not responsible for their mass shootings.  Argument impossible to follow.  Either the  president is responsible for mass shootings on his watch or he is not.  

Trump has been going on and on for months about how these evil Mexicans/Hispanics were invading the southern border and that they needed to be stopped.  The El Paso shooter was just following orders.

 

Perhaps you can share what Clinton and Obama said to incite mass shooters under their watch. 

 

[RJRS1301]

4 hours ago, johnnybangkok said:

This is what he should have said:-

 

Michelle and I grieve with all the families in El Paso and Dayton who endured these latest mass shootings. Even if details are still emerging, there are a few things we already know to be true.

  

First, no other nation on Earth comes close to experiencing the frequency of mass shootings that we see in the United States. No other developed nation tolerates the levels of gun violence that we do. Every time this happens, we’re told that tougher gun laws won’t stop all murders; that they won’t stop every deranged individual from getting a weapon and shooting innocent people in public places. But the evidence shows that they can stop some killings. They can save some families from heartbreak. We are not helpless here. And until all of us stand up and insist on holding public officials accountable for changing our gun laws, these tragedies will keep happening.

  

Second, while the motivations behind these shootings may not yet be fully known, there are indications that the El Paso shooting follows a dangerous trend: troubled individuals who embrace racist ideologies and see themselves obligated to act violently to preserve white supremacy. Like the followers of ISIS and other foreign terrorist organizations, these individuals may act alone, but they’ve been radicalized by white nationalist websites that proliferate on the internet. That means that both law enforcement agencies and internet platforms need to come up with better strategies to reduce the influence of these hate groups.

  

But just as important, all of us have to send a clarion call and behave with the values of tolerance and diversity that should be the hallmark of our democracy. We should soundly reject language coming out of the mouths of any of our leaders that feeds a climate of fear and hatred or normalizes racist sentiments; leaders who demonize those who don’t look like us, or suggest that other people, including immigrants, threaten our way of life, or refer to other people as sub-human, or imply that America belongs to just one certain type of people. Such language isn’t new – it’s been at the root of most human tragedy throughout history, here in America and around the world. It is at the root of slavery and Jim Crow, the Holocaust, the genocide in Rwanda and ethnic cleansing in the Balkans. It has no place in our politics and our public life. And it’s time for the overwhelming majority of Americans of goodwill, of every race and faith and political party, to say as much – clearly and unequivocally.

 

Barack Obama (earlier today on Twitter)

Way too many words for  the POTUS, he would be unable to concentrate for long enough to read it, let alone understand it

[RJRS1301]

2 hours ago, Thingamabob said:

14 mass killings during the Obama administration.

and over two hundred this year.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mass_shootings_in_the_United_States_in_2019

[Jack100]

I blame the NRA …  Not Responsible Adults .

[howbri]

Just now, Jack100 said:

I blame the NRA …  Not Responsible Adults .

The NRA didn't pull the trigger. We are seeing the results of years of rampant liberalism now coming home to roost. America is experiencing cultural rot from 60,000,000 + abortions that devalue life itself, "transgender" and homosexual marriage that have devalued the family, the foundation of society. It all comes from our liberal friends and their supposed "rights". Sad.

[Thingamabob]

1 hour ago, Becker said:

And in medieval times......

Congrats on the lamest deflection post of the month. 

True though.....

[RJRS1301]

11 minutes ago, howbri said:

The NRA didn't pull the trigger. We are seeing the results of years of rampant liberalism now coming home to roost. America is experiencing cultural rot from 60,000,000 + abortions that devalue life itself, "transgender" and homosexual marriage that have devalued the family, the foundation of society. It all comes from our liberal friends and their supposed "rights". Sad.

 

Simplistic  response to complex issues

Not to mention lacking any acceptance of diversity. 

[Thingamabob]

28 minutes ago, RJRS1301 said:

and over two hundred this year.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mass_shootings_in_the_United_States_in_2019

As the article clearly says 'the criteria are disputed'.

[RJRS1301]

1 minute ago, Thingamabob said:

As the article clearly says 'the criteria are disputed'.

Please use the entire quote to the link and read it all

 

Wikimedia list article

Main article: List of mass shootings in the United States

 

Mass shootings in the United States in 2019^[1]

This is a list of mass shootings in the United States that have occurred in 2019. Mass shootings are incidents involving multiple victims of firearm-related violence. The precise inclusion criteria are disputed, and there is no broadly accepted definition.

[JulesMad]

Who in their right mind would believe the Chief Racist-in-Charge this time?

[usviphotography]

5 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

Re your first sentence above, that's kind of the key and central difference -- one that Trump fans and gun nuts clearly don't want to acknowledge for obvious reasons.

 

A president either works to unite Americans behind common values, or seeks to create division and fear for perceived political advantage. Obama consistently did the former. Trump has consistently done the latter.

 

 

What you don't get is that the half of the country that didn't vote for Obama thought the very same thing about him that the half who didn't vote for Trump think about Trump. We weren't just as obnoxious about it. Trump is not "divisive". He seeks to unite Americans behind common values in practically every speech and rally he gives. Trump has never called for mass shootings and the idea he can be "blamed" for any of this is not only grossly unfair but childish. 

[Slip]

4 hours ago, howbri said:

The NRA didn't pull the trigger. We are seeing the results of years of rampant liberalism now coming home to roost. America is experiencing cultural rot from 60,000,000 + abortions that devalue life itself, "transgender" and homosexual marriage that have devalued the family, the foundation of society. It all comes from our liberal friends and their supposed "rights". Sad.

So white supremacist mass killings are all down to liberalism, abortions, and rights for minorities. Indeed you are sad.

[marcusarelus]

27 minutes ago, JulesMad said:

Who in their right mind would believe the Chief Racist-in-Charge this time?

I've watched all the politicians all day long on CNN but the worst and sickest was Biden using the deaths of poor innocent people to further his campaign.  It was just sick.  

https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2019/08/05/joe-biden-trump-rhetoric-shootings-reaction-anderson-cooper-sot-lead-vpx.cnn

 

It's supposed to be about grief not political campaigning.  If he ever had my vote his heartlessness has made me to sick to ever look or listen to him again.  

 

 

He is not talking about the people he is talking about getting elected because Trump is such a bad guy.

 

H

[Slip]

14 minutes ago, usviphotography said:

What you don't get is that the half of the country that didn't vote for Obama thought the very same thing about him that the half who didn't vote for Trump think about Trump. We weren't just as obnoxious about it. Trump is not "divisive". He seeks to unite Americans behind common values in practically every speech and rally he gives. Trump has never called for mass shootings and the idea he can be "blamed" for any of this is not only grossly unfair but childish. 

Common values of racism, white supremacy, enriching the wealthy at the expense of the common man, mocking the disabled, praising fascists and dictators, homophobia, anti LBGT policies, setting up your opponents to suffer physical violence, rape, fraud, law breaking, electoral fraud, obstruction of justice, slander of vets and war heroes, and treason then?

[tlandtday]

11 hours ago, marcusarelus said:

I've watched all the politicians all day long on CNN but the worst and sickest was Biden using the deaths of poor innocent people to further his campaign.  It was just sick.  

https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2019/08/05/joe-biden-trump-rhetoric-shootings-reaction-anderson-cooper-sot-lead-vpx.cnn

 

It's supposed to be about grief not political campaigning.  If he ever had my vote his heartlessness has made me to sick to ever look or listen to him again.  

 

 

He is not talking about the people he is talking about getting elected because Trump is such a bad guy.

 

 

 

this can be expected of Biden he is a career politician and this means he is actually lower than a used car salesman on the back street screwing people for over 30 years...

[bristolboy]

9 minutes ago, marcusarelus said:

I've watched all the politicians all day long on CNN but the worst and sickest was Biden using the deaths of poor innocent people to further his campaign.  It was just sick.  

https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2019/08/05/joe-biden-trump-rhetoric-shootings-reaction-anderson-cooper-sot-lead-vpx.cnn

 

It's supposed to be about grief not political campaigning.  If he ever had my vote his heartlessness has made me to sick to ever look or listen to him again.  

 

 

He is not talking about the people he is talking about getting elected because Trump is such a bad guy.

 

H

I know what you mean. It's disgusting how some politicians will exploit a tragedy.

Trump campaign again draws Mollie Tibbetts' name into immigration debate despite family's objections

President Donald Trump on Friday invoked slain Iowa college student Mollie Tibbetts' name in a campaign email blaming Democrats' immigration policies for both her death and the recent deaths of an Iowa family.

Last year, Tibbetts' father repeatedly said his daughter, whose disappearance and death captured the nation's attention, was "vehemently opposed" to anti-immigrant causes.

The Republican president's email, sent by the Donald J. Trump for President, Inc. committee, attacked Democratic presidential candidates in Iowa who, he said, "continue to ignore the murder in the room."

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/07/20/mollie-tibbetts-immigration-debate-after-undocumented-worker-charged-killing-3-des-moines-iowa/1785988001/

[stevenl]

33 minutes ago, marcusarelus said:

I've watched all the politicians all day long on CNN but the worst and sickest was Biden using the deaths of poor innocent people to further his campaign.  It was just sick.  

https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2019/08/05/joe-biden-trump-rhetoric-shootings-reaction-anderson-cooper-sot-lead-vpx.cnn

 

It's supposed to be about grief not political campaigning.  If he ever had my vote his heartlessness has made me to sick to ever look or listen to him again.  

 

 

He is not talking about the people he is talking about getting elected because Trump is such a bad guy.

 

H

Grief and prayers don't help charge achievable through politics can.

So yes, let's learn from this, talk politics and achieve change.

[Jingthing]

It's interesting that some of the best critical writing about the current occupant of the white house comes from classically CONSERVATIVE thinkers. Americans will mostly know George Will. He is very famous and very respected. In this MUST READ article, he addresses the root cause of why the vast majority of the American people saw that canned teleprompter speech from "trump" as FLAT and UNBELIEVABLE in the context of his words and behaviors in the last few years. Not to mention the solutions he offered are weak tea and offer no challenge at all to the NRA.

 

 

Quote

Trump doesn’t just pollute the social environment with hate. He is the environment.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/trump-doesnt-just-pollute-the-social-environment-he-is-the-environment/2019/08/05/65cb525a-b7b6-11e9-b3b4-2bb69e8c4e39_story.html

Edited August 6, 2019 by Jingthing

[mooping20Baht]

desparate people will do desparate things ;  in the near term  Donald is just filling the role  of  what happens  when  an entire population is inculcated with Ayn Rand style "the market is the answer",  can't have both a Democracy and unfettered  markets ;  All the articles on  me, too,  and  "race"  just  is a denial,  of the real beast, class and inequality

 

read a little, tune out any corporate or wacko  "media"  and  hope for some return of actual democracy  for your country ,

 

" Capitalism should serve democracy and not the other way around. One result of this misunderstanding is the large number of disillusioned voters who supported the faux populism of Donald Trump."

 

The book seems to say Marx  was incorrect,  that  Fascism  is actually the more likely scenario  than Socialism ,  at the end of the cycle  (see 1920s) , "history rhymes"  Twain

[bristolboy]

'In a morning Twitter post, Trump called on Republicans and Democrats to work together on strong background checks and possibly combine that legislation with "desperately needed immigration reform."'

In other words let's honor the shooter by passing the kind of legislation he would approve of.

[bristolboy]

Just now, bristolboy said:

'In a morning Twitter post, Trump called on Republicans and Democrats to work together on strong background checks and possibly combine that legislation with "desperately needed immigration reform."'

 

In other words let's honor the shooter by passing the kind of legislation he would approve of.

[RJRS1301]

7 hours ago, Jingthing said:

It's interesting that some of the best critical writing about the current occupant of the white house comes from classically CONSERVATIVE thinkers. Americans will mostly know George Will. He is very famous and very respected. In this MUST READ article, he addresses the root cause of why the vast majority of the American people saw that canned teleprompter speech from "trump" as FLAT and UNBELIEVABLE in the context of his words and behaviors in the last few years. Not to mention the solutions he offered are weak tea and offer no challenge at all to the NRA.

 

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/trump-doesnt-just-pollute-the-social-environment-he-is-the-environment/2019/08/05/65cb525a-b7b6-11e9-b3b4-2bb69e8c4e39_story.html

Well I doubt that POTUS cares about the Washington Post unfortunately. Too many words for him to comprehend

[Curt1591]

21 hours ago, Bluespunk said:

What about penalties for those whose   use of rhetoric encourages those who espouse extremist ideologies?

 

Or is that too close to your own behaviour, trump?

 

maga indeed. 

You mean rhetoric like

"They bring a knife ... We bring a gun"

"I don't want to quell anger. I think people have a right to be angry. I'm angry"
"Hit back twice as hard"

We talk to these folks.... so I know who's ass to kick"

"Punish your enemies"

"I'm itching for a fight"
"Republican victory would mean hand-to-hand combat"

Barack Obama.

 

[Bluespunk]

18 minutes ago, Curt1591 said:

You mean rhetoric like

"They bring a knife ... We bring a gun"

"I don't want to quell anger. I think people have a right to be angry. I'm angry"
"Hit back twice as hard"

We talk to these folks.... so I know who's ass to kick"

"Punish your enemies"

"I'm itching for a fight"
"Republican victory would mean hand-to-hand combat"

Barack Obama.

 

No I mean trump’s willingness to exploit and use the white nationalist hate present in a disturbing number of his supporters.

 

He also exploits the less overt blind prejudices of many others of course. 

Edited August 7, 2019 by Bluespunk
Toned down my own rhetoric. Ironic eh.

[Curt1591]

36 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

No I mean trump’s willingness to exploit and use the white nationalist hate present in a disturbing number of his supporters.

 

He also exploits the less overt blind prejudices of many others of course. 

Or, maybe it's the press' promoting Trump as such that emboldens these people. After all, they are being told ad nauseam, that this president is on their side.