Trump adviser Bolton: U.S. would enthusiastically support a UK choice for no-deal Brexit

[stevenl]

7 minutes ago, Jip99 said:

 

 

You can't see good in anything can you ?

 

I am sure both parties will be satisfied with the outcome.

Au contraire, I am very much an optimist and see good in many things. But Brexit is all around not good for UK and EU, only other countries like the US may profit.

[Jip99]

6 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Au contraire, I am very much an optimist and see good in many things. But Brexit is all around not good for UK and EU, only other countries like the US may profit.

 

 

In which case there is something VERY wrong with the EU and the provisions of Article 50...

 

 

Perhaps we can share this....

 

 

[NightSky]

It might go something along these lines..

 

US to UK: If you are subservient to us and do all our dirty work in the middle east and Europe and in Asia too why not, then we might consider throwing you a bone from time to time to keep you ticking over but hungry for more.

 

Oh and whilst your at it drop your taxes of the large tech corps that are running half the globe by now because we (the US) wants to keep all those taxes for ourselves and to take over the globe once those companies control most of peoples lives.

 

[CGW]

6 hours ago, legend49 said:

None of his business keep his nose out of foreign countries affairs

Least he's not dropping bombs, old "Bomber Bolton" does have a name to live up too!

Sure he has a few bombs that he could sell, hasn't been given much opportunity to use too many lately, least nowhere we are told about.

[usviphotography]

49 minutes ago, soalbundy said:

Joint means you have to have two for that press conference. A finalized agreement takes place AFTER brexit so maybe the UK won't have much to shout about then when they have to kow tow to the reality of splendid isolation.

Nothing prevents the UK from negotiating a deal conditional to a final Brexit prior to an actual Brexit taking place, and holding a press conference with the Donald trumpeting the fact. It is the smart thing to do even and especially if you don't want an actual Brexit because it gives the UK maximum leverage over the EU to force a better deal. 

[Chomper Higgot]

17 minutes ago, Jip99 said:

 

 

Better, MUCH better than we have now.

Well if you don’t mind being commanded not to tax American companies and having the US demand the UK get in line with US foreign policy.

[Jip99]

2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Well if you don’t mind being commanded not to tax American companies and having the US demand the UK get in line with US foreign policy.

 

 

I would take it, compared to where we are now.

 

Not the first time we have been there........................... and have you forgotten Tony Blair already?

[friend of siam]

5 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

There is no suggestion of American’s ‘availing themselves of the NHS’, there is however evidence in statements made by the US Ambassador to the Court of St James and by Trump himself, that  the US will not offer the UK a trade deal unless the NHSis included in that deal.

 

Put simply the US will demand US pharmaceutical industry, health insurance industry and health services industries are given open access to the NHS.

 

ie the privatisation into US control of the NHS.

 

 

ok and whats wrong with this ??? nhs government health service has no place in a real free market economy...big pharmaceutical industrie much better and cheaper for the people... in the ultimate state  of  capitalism everything including army and police is privatised...social government etc was yesterday today cash talks..who pays decides ... 

[MRToMRT]

9 hours ago, Samui Bodoh said:

The simple fact is that if the UK leaves the EU without a deal in October, then it'll be wholly reliant on the 'goodwill' of Donald Trump for its immediate economic future

The EU could prevent that by giving way on the backstop though, no? 

 

 

[vogie]

21 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Well if you don’t mind being commanded not to tax American companies and having the US demand the UK get in line with US foreign policy.

It would appear that the US of A are willing to sit down with us and discuss our future unlike the EU who are being totally belligerent and irresponsible as to the consequences of their actions. 

[Jip99]

Just now, vogie said:

It would appear that the US of A are willing to sit down with us and discuss our future unlike the EU who are being totally belligerent and irresponsible as to the consequences of their actions. 

 

 

Puts things in perspective, doesn't it.

[Opl]

18 minutes ago, vogie said:

It would appear that the US of A are willing to sit down with us and discuss our future unlike the EU who are being totally belligerent and irresponsible as to the consequences of their actions. 

Yes, true, maybe partly because America once was a british colony.  

Yes, true, maybe because the UK as a "nation of shopkeepers"  was just interested in selling to the single market.

Sorry, I'm French, 

[vogie]

2 minutes ago, Opl said:

Yes, true, maybe partly because America once was a british colony.  

 

Don't worry, I'll phone a friend.

[Chomper Higgot]

36 minutes ago, vogie said:

It would appear that the US of A are willing to sit down with us and discuss our future unlike the EU who are being totally belligerent and irresponsible as to the consequences of their actions. 

The EU have been negotiating with the UK, it’s just the Tory Party can’t make up their minds what they want.

 

It was the ERG That scuppered the deal, not the EU.

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

37 minutes ago, Jip99 said:

 

 

Puts things in perspective, doesn't it.

It will if the UK are ever foolish enough to put themselves in the position of being in need of a deal from the US, and this President in particular 

[bristolboy]

1 hour ago, Jip99 said:

 

 

I would take it, compared to where we are now.

 

Not the first time we have been there........................... and have you forgotten Tony Blair already?

And that's preferable?

[vogie]

Just now, Chomper Higgot said:

The EU have been negotiating with the UK, it’s just the Tory Party can’t make up their minds what they want.

 

It was the ERG That scuppered the deal, not the EU.

 

 

The whole of the Labour party had nothing to do with not voting for the deal then, all the ERG fault. I wouldn't mind betting that many MPs in our parliament had wished they had voted for Mays surrender deal now.

The deal that May/Robbins were handed by the EU as we are all well aware failed 3 times to make it through parliament, meaning it was not a good deal for the UK, but was extremely desirable to the EU. 

Times have changed, Prime Ministers have changed, the only thing that hasn't changed is the intransigence of the EU.

[bristolboy]

53 minutes ago, MRToMRT said:

The EU could prevent that by giving way on the backstop though, no? 

 

 

The UK could prevent that by giving way on the backstoo though, no?

[MRToMRT]

7 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

The UK could prevent that by giving way on the backstoo though, no?

Yes 100%. 

[Joe Mcseismic]

1 hour ago, MRToMRT said:

The EU could prevent that by giving way on the backstop though, no? 

 

 

You do know that the "back-stop" was a British proposal, right?

[Becker]

[natway09]

Tell them to "keep their eyes on their own plate"

which they have ruined already

[AlexRich]

US enthusiastically supports screwing a desperate UK after a no deal Brexit, so is happy to encourage that outcome. 

[evadgib]

HMG's version:

PM meeting with US National Security Advisor John Bolton: 12 August 2019

[Chomper Higgot]

12 minutes ago, evadgib said:

HMG's version:

PM meeting with US National Security Advisor John Bolton: 12 August 2019

The clue is in the title. 

 

John Bolton is the US National Security Advisor, he has no authority over trade negotiations, he does however need something from the UK, compliance to US sanctions and actions against Iran.

 

https://thehill.com/policy/international/europe/457034-bolton-to-press-uk-on-stronger-response-to-iran-huawei-report

 

Be assured, if the UK is foolish enough go through with a No-Deal Brexit and thereby place itself in desperate need of a trade deal from the US, the UK will find itself dancing to Bolton's tune. 

 

 

 

[evadgib]

38 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The clue is in the title. 

 

John Bolton is the US National Security Advisor, he has no authority over trade negotiations, he does however need something from the UK, compliance to US sanctions and actions against Iran.

 

https://thehill.com/policy/international/europe/457034-bolton-to-press-uk-on-stronger-response-to-iran-huawei-report

 

Be assured, if the UK is foolish enough go through with a No-Deal Brexit and thereby place itself in desperate need of a trade deal from the US, the UK will find itself dancing to Bolton's tune. 

I nonetheless credited HMG's version with sufficient credibility to neuter any rhubarb ????

[Chomper Higgot]

1 minute ago, evadgib said:

I nonetheless credit HMG's version with sufficient credibility to neutralize any rhubarb.

No amount of nonsense posted on the UK Government website gives Bolton any authority over US trade deals. 

 

The US Government have a whole department that deals with trade deals, it's not headed by Bolton. 

 

The UK Government is however headed by a habitual liar. 

 

Meanwhile Bolton's intentions to obtain UK support for US sanctions against Iran are widely reported. 

 

[evadgib]

4 hours ago, Joe Mcseismic said:

You do know that the "back-stop" was a British proposal, right?

It was a ruse dreamed up by Mrs May and O(i)lly Robins in order to scupper our chance of leaving at the first attempt. Under her leadership(!) it worked!

[nauseus]

12 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

No amount of nonsense posted on the UK Government website gives Bolton any authority over US trade deals. 

 

The US Government have a whole department that deals with trade deals, it's not headed by Bolton. 

 

The UK Government is however headed by a habitual liar. 

 

Meanwhile Bolton's intentions to obtain UK support for US sanctions against Iran are widely reported. 

 

By you it seems.

[wabothai]

5 hours ago, vogie said:

It would appear that the US of A are willing to sit down with us and discuss our future unlike the EU who are being totally belligerent and irresponsible as to the consequences of their actions. 

You mean you want to discuss your future with bolton the bomber?