Its too expensive I may leave

[Jip99]

11 minutes ago, bannork said:

Get it right. It was only 37% of the electorate who voted for Brexit.

 

Forgotten your roots.....

 

 

 

Lincolnshire voters were among the most Eurosceptic in the UK, with more than 75% of voters in Boston voting to leave.

The town recorded the highest majority of Brexit voters in Britain.

Other parts of Lincolnshire also saw a high proportion of Leave voters, with South Holland and East Lindsey both posting figures of more than 70%.

Remain campaigner and Conservative MP for Boston and Skegness, Matt Warman, said the decision had to be respected.

[Chomper Higgot]

33 minutes ago, newatthis said:

It doesn't worry me Chomper how people vote. It won't make one bit of difference to my life.

And I'm not confusing anything.

When the UK went to the referendum in 2016, they knew that their vote counted. David Cameron promised the British people that their would be a simple IN / OUT vote and that the Government would honour and abide by the wishes of the electorate. 

Cameron, himself, even campaigned against leaving and everybody said that the Remainers would win.

But they didn't!!

And they can't hack losing, can they? That's all it amounts too. It's like going to the casino with a sure fire system of winning and losing all your money.

Now, the losers are throwing the "binding / non-binding" thing around to try and escape from the wishes of the voters.

Yet, if the Remainers had won, they would had said "This is binding." As sure as God made little green apples.

I’m not sure you can declare what remainders would have done had the vote gone the other way.

 

We  has however know that Farage declared such an outcome ‘game not over, not by a long way’.

 

Democracy is like that, it is not ‘winner takes all’.

 

Not incidentally, your PM and Government that made you that promise is long gone.

 

 

Edited August 20, 2019 by Chomper Higgot

[stephenterry]

1 hour ago, Jip99 said:

 

Rubbish................... you are one of those anti-democratic idiots that just want to keep voting until they get the result that suits them.

 

 

Democracy does not, and never has, worked like that.

'fraid not. Total misunderstanding, sorry.

This is the actuality of what democracy means in the UK. Everyone is entitled to lobby the government and parliament, who decides what course to take. If it means they decide on a new vote, a GE, or chuck Brexit in the garbage that is how democracy works.

 

It might not suit Brexiteers, who consider that they control the decisions of what the government should do, but that's the reality of UK politics in action. So all this baloney about 'will of the people' is merely a lobbying cry, not an ultimation. If the government and parliament decide a different approach would benefit Britain more than Brexit, that's their right to choose - and nothing any voter can do about it until the next GE. 

 

The quicker Brexiteers get their heads around the concept of how democracy works in the UK the better. As for Corbyn, forget him, he'll never head up a parliament consensus this side of a GE.  Which I hope would occur sooner rather than later. Whatever, the Tory party is dead and buried.

 

[Chomper Higgot]

10 minutes ago, Jip99 said:

 

Forgotten your roots.....

 

 

 

Lincolnshire voters were among the most Eurosceptic in the UK, with more than 75% of voters in Boston voting to leave.

The town recorded the highest majority of Brexit voters in Britain.

Other parts of Lincolnshire also saw a high proportion of Leave voters, with South Holland and East Lindsey both posting figures of more than 70%.

Remain campaigner and Conservative MP for Boston and Skegness, Matt Warman, said the decision had to be respected.

And paradoxically one of the UK’s most EU dependent counties, it’s agricultural industry ripe for annihilation under a UK/US trade deal that will favour the US farming industry at the cost of the UK’s.

 

Perhaps they miss the good old days of border up shops and their young people having to leave to find jobs elsewhere.

 

Edited August 20, 2019 by Chomper Higgot

[stephenterry]

39 minutes ago, newatthis said:

It doesn't worry me Chomper how people vote. It won't make one bit of difference to my life.

And I'm not confusing anything.

When the UK went to the referendum in 2016, they knew that their vote counted. David Cameron promised the British people that their would be a simple IN / OUT vote and that the Government would honour and abide by the wishes of the electorate. 

Cameron, himself, even campaigned against leaving and everybody said that the Remainers would win.

But they didn't!!

And they can't hack losing, can they? That's all it amounts too. It's like going to the casino with a sure fire system of winning and losing all your money.

Now, the losers are throwing the "binding / non-binding" thing around to try and escape from the wishes of the voters.

Yet, if the Remainers had won, they would had said "This is binding." As sure as God made little green apples.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but that's exactly what Theresa May did. That it was rejected by enough Tories (probably for their own selfish ideological reasons and financial gains) is not the government's fault.

 

That is factual.

 

I don't know of any Remainers (or leavers)  who would be able to overturn the government's decision. At best, campaign against the Tories or Brexit party at the next GE.  

[bannork]

27 minutes ago, vogie said:

Do you have to keep bringing this pointless figure up, but it is still more than 34% of voters that voted to remain. What is the point of you repeticiously bringing this up, it is nonsense and meaningless.

I brought it up because Jip wrote an untruth. He claimed 52% of the electorate voted against remaining.

That's not true and both he and you know it. 52% of those that voted elected to leave but only 37% of the electorate voted to leave.

Stop writing untruths and I won't have to rectify them.

[Jip99]

27 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

I am all for an alternative caretaker PM, it should be a No Tory & No Labour member, wish for an open mind neutral third party person, Trump would be perfect

 

 

He is probably a Change UK voter  ????

[Jip99]

1 minute ago, bannork said:

I brought it up because Jip wrote an untruth. He claimed 52% of the electorate voted against remaining.

That's not true and both he and you know it. 52% of those that voted elected to leave but only 37% of the electorate voted to leave.

Stop writing untruths and I won't have to rectify them.

 

 

Pedantry  does not strengthen your case.

[Jip99]

21 minutes ago, stephenterry said:

'fraid not. Total misunderstanding, sorry. ,,,,

 

 

On your part, maybe..

 

 

Definition of democracy

 

1a : government by the people especially : rule of the majority

b : a government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised by them directly or indirectly through a system of representation usually involving periodically held free elections

[bannork]

26 minutes ago, Jip99 said:

 

Forgotten your roots.....

 

 

 

Lincolnshire voters were among the most Eurosceptic in the UK, with more than 75% of voters in Boston voting to leave.

The town recorded the highest majority of Brexit voters in Britain.

Other parts of Lincolnshire also saw a high proportion of Leave voters, with South Holland and East Lindsey both posting figures of more than 70%.

Remain campaigner and Conservative MP for Boston and Skegness, Matt Warman, said the decision had to be respected.

I am not from Lincolnshire and if I was I would vote to leave...Lincolnshire. it's a godforsaken land like Hull across the Humber, flat lands prone to bitter winds from the North Sea with peroxide blondes pushing prams down draughty streets as the ash from their fag-ends blows across the faces of their pitiful offspring.

[bannork]

4 minutes ago, Jip99 said:

 

 

Pedantry  does not strengthen your case.

It does if it helps expose your false claims.

[vogie]

1 minute ago, bannork said:

I brought it up because Jip wrote an untruth. He claimed 52% of the electorate voted against remaining.

That's not true and both he and you know it. 52% of those that voted elected to leave but only 37% of the electorate voted to leave.

Stop writing untruths and I won't have to rectify them.

This appears to be only argument you have, you are twisting words because you have very little else to provide as a case, you are being pedantic. You probably knew what Jip meant but decided on scoring some cheap remainer points.

[bannork]

1 minute ago, vogie said:

This appears to be only argument you have, you are twisting words because you have very little else to provide as a case, you are being pedantic. You probably knew what Jip meant but decided on scoring some cheap remainer points.

Jip meant to convey the impression that 52% of the adult population in the UK voted to leave the EU.

That is not true, it was only 37%.

Is that not true? Am I getting through? Jeeez. Just write the truth and i won't have to correct it.

50 lines to the Brexiteers to be handed in before break. I must not distort statistics.

[stephenterry]

15 minutes ago, Jip99 said:

 

 

On your part, maybe..

 

 

Definition of democracy

 

1a : government by the people especially : rule of the majority

b : a government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised by them directly or indirectly through a system of representation usually involving periodically held free elections

In Britain we have a parliamentary democracy. That's it, and why people can vote and campaign but they cannot rule what the government or parliament decides.

 

Please try and understand this.

 

 

Democracy and the UK Parliament

The United Kingdom (UK) is a democracy. A democracy is a country where the people choose their government. In the UK there are too many people to ask and too many decisions to take, therefore representatives are elected to make decisions. Representatives include Members of Parliament (MPs), Members of the Scottish Parliament (MSPs) (representing the population living in Scotland) and local councillors.

Edited August 20, 2019 by stephenterry
addition to text.

[JonnyF]

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Perfectly illustrated by Farage’s declaration that ‘in the event of a 48:52 it would not be game over, not by a long way’.

 

A 52:48 result comes in and he and Brexiteers now shout ‘Game Over’.

 

Away with your nonsense pinning  Brexiteer behaviour on Remain supporters.

So you say we need another vote because of what Farage says? 

 

I say we don't because of the referendum result, the general election in which the 2 main parties manifesto promised to respect the result and the enactment of article 50 by a huge majority in Parliament.

 

So let's see. You have Nigel Farage's opinion vs. the 2016 referendum, backed up by a general election and A50 legislation. I believe you lose (again).

[Jip99]

Just now, bannork said:

Jip meant to convey the impression that 52% of the adult population in the UK voted to leave the EU.

That is not true, it was only 37%.

Is that not true? Am I getting through? Jeeez. Just write the truth and i won't have to correct it.

50 lines to the Brexiteers to be handed in before break. I must not distort statistics.

 

 

No he didn't ...... and adult population doesn't = electorate.

 

You knew exactly what I meant........................ but just for the sake of clarity:-

 

 

 

 

UK votes to LEAVE the EU

EU Referendum results, counting complete

Leave

Vote share

51.9%

Votes 17,410,742 Votes

Remain

Vote share

48.1%

Votes 16,141,241 Votes

0 results left to declare

EU Referendum latest updates

1. LEAVE
   UK votes to LEAVE the EU

Electorate 46,501,241

Turnout 72.2%

 

Rejected ballots 26,033

 

[JonnyF]

1 hour ago, Bluespunk said:

Besides which, the grand national is rerun every year. 

Not before the winner gets the trophy.

[vogie]

Just now, bannork said:

Jip meant to convey the impression that 52% of the adult population in the UK voted to leave the EU.

That is not true, it was only 37%.

Is that not true? Am I getting through? Jeeez. Just write the truth and i won't have to correct it.

50 lines to the Brexiteers to be handed in before break. I must not distort statistics.

He didn't mean that and I almost certain that you knew that as well, as for distorting statistics, I wouldn't even go there Mr Twisty.

[JonnyF]

39 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I’m not sure you can declare what remainders would have done had the vote gone the other way.

 

We  has however know that Farage declared such an outcome ‘game not over, not by a long way’.

 

Democracy is like that, it is not ‘winner takes all’.

 

Not incidentally, your PM and Government that made you that promise is long gone.

 

 

A Remainer resorting to quoting Farage to back up his point ????

 

[Jip99]

13 minutes ago, bannork said:

I am not from Lincolnshire and if I was I would vote to leave...Lincolnshire. it's a godforsaken land like Hull across the Humber, flat lands prone to bitter winds from the North Sea with peroxide blondes pushing prams down draughty streets as the ash from their fag-ends blows across the faces of their pitiful offspring.

 

 

My mistake about your roots Bannork - I apologise.

 

 

Did you vote ?

[Chivas]

Seems that Boris has fired off a letter finally to Tusk Barnier and Co last night demanding the axing of the backstop. I have little doubt these are the last actions of a dead in the water PM.

Like it or not that no confidence vote is coming with Boris removal swiftly to follow. Jezzer as temporary PM feels like a fantasy but make no mistake protocol says its him if the votes stack up

Make no mistake Sterling will surge I'd say at least to $1.32 within 48 hours which will keep many happy including me

[puchooay]

4 hours ago, Bluespunk said:

No one specifically voted for no deal.

 

No one specifically voted for a particular deal. 

 

The options are now there. 

 

Put them to the vote. 

The options were "leave" or "remain". We know what the result was.

[Bluespunk]

24 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Not before the winner gets the trophy.

Again, the analogy is an irrelevant one. 

[Bluespunk]

18 minutes ago, puchooay said:

The options were "leave" or "remain". We know what the result was.

Let’s hope corbyn gives the people the opportunity to vote on which of the options that have emerged since the brexit vote they wish to pursue. 

[Jip99]

5 minutes ago, Victornoir said:

And you obviously one of those evil idiots who would want the ruin of your country against the majority opinion of a late informed population.

https://whatukthinks.org/eu/questions/if-there-was-a-referendum-tomorrow-with-the-option-of-accepting-the-governments-brexit-agreement-or-leaving-the-eu-without-a-deal-which-would-you-support-2-3/?removed

 

 

It would take more than a no deal Brexit to ruin my country.

 

But let's be clear......... like Boris, I would much prefer to leave with a deal. He has said what it will take to get a deal through UK parliament. Now over to the EU - they kept asking "tell me what you want".

 

 

 

[nauseus]

42 minutes ago, bannork said:

Jip meant to convey the impression that 52% of the adult population in the UK voted to leave the EU.

That is not true, it was only 37%.

Is that not true? Am I getting through? Jeeez. Just write the truth and i won't have to correct it.

50 lines to the Brexiteers to be handed in before break. I must not distort statistics.

"Jip meant to convey" ????

[CharlieH]

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[Chomper Higgot]

1 hour ago, Jip99 said:

 

 

On your part, maybe..

 

 

Definition of democracy

 

1a : government by the people especially : rule of the majority

b : a government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised by them directly or indirectly through a system of representation usually involving periodically held free elections

b : a government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised by them directly or indirectly through a system of representation usually involving periodically held free elections

 

Thank you,

 

Referenda are not elections.

[Chomper Higgot]

1 hour ago, bannork said:

I am not from Lincolnshire and if I was I would vote to leave...Lincolnshire. it's a godforsaken land like Hull across the Humber, flat lands prone to bitter winds from the North Sea with peroxide blondes pushing prams down draughty streets as the ash from their fag-ends blows across the faces of their pitiful offspring.

During the 1976 Milk Race a number of riders, including the whole of the Russian team, twice dismounted to walk up hills around the Louth area.  

[Chomper Higgot]

1 hour ago, JonnyF said:

So you say we need another vote because of what Farage says? 

 

I say we don't because of the referendum result, the general election in which the 2 main parties manifesto promised to respect the result and the enactment of article 50 by a huge majority in Parliament.

 

So let's see. You have Nigel Farage's opinion vs. the 2016 referendum, backed up by a general election and A50 legislation. I believe you lose (again).

No, I'm pointing out that the sanctity of the referendum as the final word was already debunked by the foremost leader of the Leave Campaign, Farage. 

 

I suggest being a little more reticent on declaring who's won.