Video: Japanese student refuses to budge for motorcyclists on the sidewalk

[OneMoreFarang]

1 minute ago, Just Weird said:

Do you think that people with motorbikes should be allowed to ignore traffic laws just so they don't have to walk to the ATM?

 

Fact is that the pavements are full of pedestians. If there were 100% fewer hypocrites riding their motorbikes on the pavement to the ATM then there would be a lot more space for pedestrians.

Why do you know that there were pedestrians when I stopped in front of the ATM?

I was there but I didn't see you there. And I am sure I didn't see you because nobody was on the sidewalk.

So stop accusing me of things which are not true!

Slowly I get fed up with people who pretend to be holier than thou.

[Just Weird]

23 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

Riding slowly 5meters down a pavement to park up at an ATM is ok, its harmless when done with consideration for the pedestrians and the knowledge that its not your right to be there on a motorcycle - This is not the argument. 

It is the argument and it definitely is not ok, neither is it harmless, it is an offence.  You are occupying space reserved for law abiding pedestrians who may want to use that space!

[RocketDog]

21 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

BS!

Look guy, you must have realized the response you would get to your provocative post.

 

I've never pinned down a solid definition of a troll post but it must surely include one like yours.

 

I won't play footsie with you on this one, but you've got to admit that you're treading pretty weak ground in defending yourself, especially in this particular thread.

 

At the end of the day motor vehicles operating in areas intended, designated, and universally assumed to be for pedestrians is a clear and present danger.

 

Convenience is going to sound a pretty lame rationale , even in your own ears, the first time you actually hurt somebody.

 

Breaking the law is not really the issue here, and admittedly many laws deserve to be broken.

 

It's even within your purview to endanger your own life and limb, but doing so with somebody else's is playing at being a god and there is no way for you to foresee the surprises that the world can throw at you.

 

Good luck making such choices but be aware that luck is not something to count on.

 

 

[Just Weird]

22 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

It would be interesting to see a statistic in which kind of accidents people die on Thai streets.

Obviously it would be perfect if everybody would follow all the rules all the time. But I guess we agree that won't happen. So what are the biggest risks?

I am pretty sure one BIG risk are all those zebra crossings. Many cars completely ignore them and it does not matter if people are on that zebra crossing or waiting at the side or if there is a red light. I would love to see police and cameras on all zebra crossings and people get heavy fines for ignoring them. I bet a lot more people die on zebra crossings in Thailand then on footpath.

Does that mean motorcycles should use sidewalks? No! But lets look at the priorities here. What would be the higher priority to safe lives? 

"Does that mean motorcycles should use sidewalks? No!" 

Except for when you want to do it?

 

"But lets look at the priorities here".

Yes, perhaps you should...

No.1 priority on the pavements: pedestrians.

No.2, and all subsequent priorities on the pavements: pedestrians.

[tifino]

26 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Why do you know that there were pedestrians when I stopped in front of the ATM?

I was there but I didn't see you there. And I am sure I didn't see you because nobody was on the sidewalk.

So stop accusing me of things which are not true!

Slowly I get fed up with people who pretend to be holier than thou.

it is just that in this OP case alone; it was through-traffic... trying to create a 'new' lane.

 

I reckon her using the mobile phone, 'keying it created a good bluff... as if she was recording number plates

 

the other virtually faultless 'bluff'  was that, as a visiting japanese; any recalcitrant rider's attempt to verbally 'reason' with her, would be falling upon 'virtually' deaf ears

[Just Weird]

22 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

22 hours ago, DannyCarlton said:

I've given you a relevant statistic. 75% of all road deaths in Thailand involve scooters.

And how many of them are of sidewalks?

I don't know how often I saw accidents with injured or dead people in Bangkok but I guess at least twice a year - for the last 20 years. These accidents all happened on streets, not on sidewalks. I don't think I ever personally saw that a pedestrian was injured on a sidewalk. I am sure it happend but relative speaking very seldom.

I know what one person sees it no valid statistic. But if we would make a survey here about accidents which people witnessed in person then I am sure accidents with pedestrians on the sidewalks are comparative seldom. 

 

Just to be entirely clear: It's not my opinion that motorcycle riders should use sidewalks. They shouldn't! But if they do it from time to time for a few meters and they ride slowly and make sure they don't bother pedestrians then I think that is acceptable.

"And how many of them are of sidewalks?"

It doesn't matter what the numbers are, and it's not beyond the realms of possibility that you could be responsible for the next one,

 

"Just to be entirely clear: It's not my opinion that motorcycle riders should use sidewalks. They shouldn't! But if they do it from time to time for a few meters and they ride slowly and make sure they don't bother pedestrians then I think that is acceptable".

Hypocritical nonsense, you cannot have it both ways.  "Just to be entirely clear", despite it being illegal, it's acceptable unless you decide that it not acceptable, that's what you are saying? 

 

Isn't there a law involved in this somewhere that categorically states that it is not acceptable?

Edited August 23, 2019 by Just Weird

[zydeco]

This is a very strange story.

[Just Weird]

22 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

The police could enforce the existing Thai law that people are not allowed to drive while using their mobile phone. I see every day multiple drivers who use their phone. And I "see" it already when I am behind their cars because many of these drivers move their cars not according to the way people do that if they look at the street. If I see it the police sees it. And they could act - but they don't do it.

And police could make a lot of money on every zebra crossing with all those cars and bikes which don't stop. Why does the police nothing? It would be simple to do it - if they want to.

This part of the thread has nothing to do with the police enforcing other laws, it only became that with your trying to distract attention from your own ridiculous assertion that riding motorbikes on the pavement is acceptable (for you).

[Just Weird]

22 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

No, I know I follow the rules maybe 99% of the time but not 100% of the time.

But I think it's amusing that so many people here pretend that motorcycle riders should follow the rules 100% of the time when likely the people who write these comments are also not following all the rules all the time. 

"But I think it's amusing that so many people here pretend that motorcycle riders should follow the rules 100% of the time..."

No one is saying that, what is being said is that you should not be riding you motorbike on the pavement for any reason, least of all going to the ATM.

[Just Weird]

59 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

No!

And if you don't see the difference between running a red light and riding slowly on the footpath then maybe think again.

In all my posts in this thread I only wrote I accept if riders do this from time to time and slowly and carefully without harassing pedestrians. 

So it's ok to run a red light from time to time if it's done slowly and carefully?

 

By the way, by definition, it is not possible to ride a motorbike on the pavement "carefully", the act is a dangerous one.

[Just Weird]

57 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Why do you know that there were pedestrians when I stopped in front of the ATM?

I was there but I didn't see you there. And I am sure I didn't see you because nobody was on the sidewalk.

So stop accusing me of things which are not true!

Slowly I get fed up with people who pretend to be holier than thou.

"Why do you know that there were pedestrians when I stopped in front of the ATM?"

You're right, I don't, but I do know that any pedestrian could have been wanting to use the space that your motorbike had been occupying and couldn't because you and your bike were using it!

 

The law doesn't make exemptions for transgressions just because there were no pedestrians. Do you also think that it's ok to run red lights if you can't see any other traffic?

[metisdead]

Some troll posts have been removed. 

[Snackbar]

20000 die on the road every year, and thousands more suffer life changing injuries. 2 children drown everyday. 14 woman are raped and 7 people are murdered.

 

There are a spectrum of reason for such statistics, ridiculous and quite lazy to blame it on culture.

 

 

[watcharacters]

22 hours ago, JamesBlond said:

You're imposing your western values on the rest of the world.

 

That's a  pretty weak argument for showing disregard for pedestrians.     Can't you manage to  limit yourself to the roads and  not drive on sidewalks?

[Skallywag]

This brave woman is proof that it only takes one person to stand up and make a difference in a country of 20 million motorcycles.  

Let's start a nationwide TV pedestrian sidewalk vigilante group and stop all these law breakers. 

Power to the people!  

We don't need no stinking badges  ????

 

Edited August 23, 2019 by Skallywag

[emanphoto]

On 8/22/2019 at 2:31 PM, meand said:

Where they belong or not is none of your business. Our emergency lanes are meant only for emergencies for example, but that is not the way things work here. Operative word being "here"... you're not back in Kansas yet Todo. Law enforcement takes care of this kind of thing the way they see fit. 

 

People seriously need to learn just because you are inconvenienced does not make you right (not to mention it biases you). This is not your country. So TM30 complaints or motorbikes, complain all you want, but you do not get to say how anything goes, or certainly where anything belongs. 

Wrong is wrong and has <deleted> to do w/where anyone here comes from.  But hey it's OK, go ahead and ride there.  My wife loves taking pix of ya'll and getting the reward after you pay your fine. ????   

[JimmyJ]

4 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

No!

And if you don't see the difference between running a red light and riding slowly on the footpath then maybe think again.

In all my posts in this thread I only wrote I accept if riders do this from time to time and slowly and carefully without harassing pedestrians. 

You should have quit while you were behind, long ago in the thread.

 

""Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt"

[or in this case, to post on TVF]

 

 

[JimmyJ]

2 hours ago, Skallywag said:

This brave woman is proof that it only takes one person to stand up and make a difference in a country of 20 million motorcycles.  

Let's start a nationwide TV pedestrian sidewalk vigilante group and stop all these law breakers. 

Power to the people!  

We don't need no stinking badges  ????

 

If you haven't already, see the Stop a Douchebag movement videos on Youtube.

[jackdd]

On 8/22/2019 at 1:00 PM, OneMoreFarang said:

I understand if there is a small sidewalk which has only place for one person that the person won't go on the street because a motorcycle is on the sidewalk.

But this is not the case here. Her only purpose for standing there is to block motorcycles. Why? Does she feel better when she demands that other people do what she wants?

I understand if motorcycles drive on the sidewalk if traffic on the road is standing, and the space between cars is so tight that you can't even pass through with a motorbike.

But this is not the case here, it would be no problem for the bikes to drive on the road, as they are supposed to. Why do they have to drive on the sidewalk?

[MaxYakov]

 

Note: Not all motorbikes on sidewalks should be reported such as Thai Postal and other delivery/messenger services. Also, motorbike taxi stands have to use the sidewalks out of infrastructure limitations (understatement) in Bangkok.

 

A bit of judgment has to be applied.

 

Cars parked or using sidewalks should be given less latitude than motorbike taxis and delivery/messenger use.

 

Above all, be careful when getting images. I have a 30X optical camera so I can get images at a great distance.

 

 

 

Edited August 23, 2019 by MaxYakov

[EricTh]

I think if she did that in other countries in SEA or China, she would have been seriously injured.

 

You're not a citizen so don't meddle in that country's affairs. The traffic police are paid to do this job.

[Mac98]

A young Thai lady I had been friends with for quite a while flew down to Pattaya from Udonthani as she wanted to get my opinion on a local 3-bedroom house in an established  development she was looking to buy. She usually drives a car but showed up at my Pratamnak-area condo driving a friend's motorbike. I had always avoided riding on a motorbike. I climbed aboard. The house in question was east of Sukhumvit, a very long way away when each kilometer is filled with near-death experiences. Besides the usual road terror she would avoid gridlock by riding up onto the sidewalk and drive between racks of clothes for sale, around stacked merchandise, and beeping at pedestrians. After bouncing down onto the road again I said she shouldn't use the sidewalks. She looked back at me like I was joking. Off we went, onto the wrong side of the road, challenging oncoming traffic, then squirreling our way across Sukhumvit and into the unknown. Based on the care given by neighbors to their homes I advised she buy it as an investment. She did. I had her drop me across Sukhumvit so I could hire a baht bus home. After that experience a ride on a motorbike taxi seemed tame. I've used them since.

[JimmyJ]

"How To Start Your Own 'Stop a Douchebag' Movement"

 

www.youtube.com/watch?v=LocSrtr-YAs

 

Edited August 23, 2019 by JimmyJ

[meand]

On 8/22/2019 at 1:42 PM, jany123 said:

You obviously watched a different video and read a different post to the OP herein.

She did not direct a motorbike with four people on it, two of them being small children, directly down a curb and out into oncoming traffic? 

[jany123]

48 minutes ago, meand said:

She did not direct a motorbike with four people on it, two of them being small children, directly down a curb and out into oncoming traffic? 

C’mon.... direct? she waved her hand around to indicate that the bike shouldn’t pass her. The bike shouldn’t be on the footpath, but rather the road...  How they get onto the road is the riders decision, just as it was his decision to illegally ride on the footpath.

 

you might have noticed that the taxi bike passenger climbed off such that the taxi could safely transition from path to road... no drama....the family could obviously do the same, if they wished to safely transition from path to road, at that point, rather than back track. 

 

And no.... the traffic was not oncoming... Road users in Thailand use the left hand side.... further, the traffic is barely moving, and the white van stopped at the intersection in the right of the screen, not much further along the road, doesn’t appear to move during the video.

 

did you even bother to have another look at the video before replying?

[wotsdermatter]

On 8/22/2019 at 3:55 AM, PETERTHEEATER said:

the Japanese lady in the photo is carrying a crutch in one hand.

In fact, the female in the photograph at the top left distinctly shows she is holding her books with both hands.  Nowhere in the video is she seen using crutches.

'nuf sed.

[giddyup]

18 hours ago, JimmyJ said:

If you haven't already, see the Stop a Douchebag movement videos on Youtube.

If you tried it here you'd be shot or stabbed.

[DannyCarlton]

6 minutes ago, giddyup said:

If you tried it here you'd be shot or stabbed.

And you think that's less likely to happen in Russia?

[giddyup]

28 minutes ago, DannyCarlton said:

And you think that's less likely to happen in Russia?

Yes.

[OneMoreFarang]

18 hours ago, JimmyJ said:

"How To Start Your Own 'Stop a Douchebag' Movement"

 

www.youtube.com/watch?v=LocSrtr-YAs

 

I just had a look at their most viewed videos. Lots of complaining guys but not even one pedestrian who wants to use the footpath. Great job guys! Or should I say douchebags?