British PM to suspend parliament before Brexit, opposition denounces 'coup'

[evadgib]

29 minutes ago, sawadee1947 said:

I found this today by Hugh Grant :

 

"You will not <deleted> with my children’s future. You will not destroy the freedoms my grandfather fought two world wars to defend. <deleted> off you over-promoted rubber bath toy. Britain is revolted by you and you little gang of masturbatory prefects. "

 

PERFECT 

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I had a chuckle at that too Seamus; not least because in real life he's been busted for trying to, eh, 'purloin the services of a sword-swallower' while his most famous line on screen is "Bite the pillow, Norman!" ????

Edited August 29, 2019 by evadgib

[citybiker]

You could well be right about the UK punching above its weight but right now it's punch drunk with all the BS from Brexiters. Thinking that the EU will collapse is looking into a very wonky crystal ball.

 

This is a typical cowardly act by Johnson who, despite all his rhetoric has never come up with his 'technical' solution to the backstop. Obviously he hasn't one so has to resort to an anti-democratic effort to try to steamroller his no-deal through. Hypocritical no-deal Brexiters applaud his non-democratic action while paying lip service to the original vote, which was democratic but had no no-deal mandate.

Would that be the same cowardly act that John Major previously carried out when he prorogued parliament?

 

Only difference here is circumstances, this prologue is slightly longer but still legal.

 

The EU is doing it's usual default setting however I for one don't think it will collapse however it will continue to face struggles without reform.

 

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[Forethat]

11 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

 

Yeah right. Boris holds all the cards. Pure genius.

 

Just watch and see.

 

Let us know in a few weeks how many trumps he comes up with.

 

Irish troubles re-starting. Congress blocking US UK Trade deal to support Ireland. EU refusing trade talks until the 39 billion GBP coughed up. Corbyn and Tory rebels bringing a vote of no confidence. Sound great.

So, what if they do call for a vote of no confidence? Vote of no confidence successful, the PM steps down, calls for a GE and closes down Parliament for a couple of weeks. 

 

\_(ツ)_/¯

 

 

[7by7]

Brexiteer logic;

 

Parliament is sovereign, not any individual nor Brussels; unless that individual is Boris Johnson!

 

MPs being allowed to vote against Brexit with May's deal is a good thing; MPs being allowed to vote against Johnson's no deal Brexit is a bad thing!

[7by7]

12 minutes ago, citybiker said:

Would that be the same cowardly act that John Major previously carried out when he prorogued parliament?

 

Only difference here is circumstances, this prologue is slightly longer but still legal.

 

 Both legal, and both done for the same reason; to stop MPs discussing and voting on an issue the PM doesn't want them to. For Major it was the cash for questions scandal.

 

Major Prorogued Parliament on 21st March 1997, on 1st May 1997 he lost the General Election.

 

When Charles I prorogued Parliament in 1628 he eventually lost his head; literally!

 

I doubt Boris will suffer the same fate as Charles I, but could very easily suffer that of Major.

 

BTW, many Boris supporters are saying that due to the conference season this prorogation is actually only for three days. In which case one has to wonder why bother at all!

 

Couldn't have anything to do with the call by some to postpone the party conferences until this is all settled, could it?

[CG1 Blue]

2 hours ago, 7by7 said:

Brexiteer logic;

 

Parliament is sovereign, not any individual nor Brussels; unless that individual is Boris Johnson!

 

MPs being allowed to vote against Brexit with May's deal is a good thing; MPs being allowed to vote against Johnson's no deal Brexit is a bad thing!

The thing is, parliament gave the decision to the people by voting in favour of an in/out referendum in 2016. A referendum that Cameron made absolutely clear would be binding. 

 

More than 3 years later MPs are still trying to delay / reverse that decision, and Boris is trying to put an end to their disgraceful behaviour. 

 

Yes, Parliament is sovereign most of the time.  But if they hand the power to the people by giving them a referendum, they need to accept the outcome and deliver it! 

[beautifulthailand99]

2 hours ago, evadgib said:

I had a chuckle at that too Seamus; not least because in real life he's been busted for trying to, eh, 'purloin the services of a sword-swallower' while his most famous line on screen is "Bite the pillow, Norman!" ????

err joke parody twitter account but don't let the facts get in the way of an argument eh ? Oh and do keep up Farage has stated that BoJo is ready to shaft all you WTO nutjobs with a BRINO deal at the last moment and count it as a triumph. Which is why I am backing BoJo's BRINO WA Mark 2 (tweaked slightly). 

Edited August 29, 2019 by beautifulthailand99

[tebee]

Is the suspension of parliament a Weimar moment for Britain? It sounds dramatic. But that is the judgment of Richard Evans. one of the country's most distinguished historians.

 

https://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/magazine/britain-prorouging-boris-johnson-parliament-suspension-richard-evans-weimar

 

Weimar warns us about what happens when politicians give up on their own parliaments

 

The Weimar Republic was a failed democracy, but in the 21st century, democracies fail in different ways, we can’t expect a direct re-run. But there are certainly echoes, even if they are not yet audible to most voters. By the time we hear them, we may no longer be in a position to do anything about it.

[DannyCarlton]

7 hours ago, billd766 said:

So please prove that they were lies.

 

They were on the BBC web site, posted innumerable times on the internet. 

 

So either you are calling me out for telling lies or are you are the one who cannot accept the truth.

 

You can search the web for as long as you wish but the truth will still be there.

 

Weasel words from you do not make the facts disappear

 

If you cannot accept what happened in the referendum that is your problem.

 

Reality speaks otherwise.

The reality will only speak if a second referendum/confirmatory vote is called. That's the only way to judge if Stupooey or you are right. Bring it on. Let the people decide. 555

[Laughing Gravy]

15 hours ago, DannyCarlton said:

Much more likely that Scotland and Possibly N.Ireland will leave the UK and, by rote, become republics.

 

She's signed the death warrant for her own kingdom.

In your dreams.

[Laughing Gravy]

15 hours ago, DannyCarlton said:

Oh, it get's worse for the poor cow. I predict a groundswell of public opinion, post Brexit, to get rid of her and her addled kids. The money saved would more than pay for the Brexit divorce bill.

Now that has to be the most ridiculous statement I have heard. Public opinion for the queen is at an all time high. Sadly just some Bolsheviks and Republicans are in a minority but like a stinking bad apple in a barrel you can smell the effect.

[Laughing Gravy]

3 hours ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

err joke parody twitter account but don't let the facts get in the way of an argument eh ? Oh and do keep up Farage has stated that BoJo is ready to shaft all you WTO nutjobs with a BRINO deal at the last moment and count it as a triumph. Which is why I am backing BoJo's BRINO WA Mark 2 (tweaked slightly). 

Even in Farage is right about Johnson the damage is done. Leaving the EU is destined. If Johnson does fudge it then the rise of the Brexit party will be phenomenal IMHO. 

 

I think Farage has stated this, to ensure Johnson keeps to his word.

 

If only the EU egotistical side could see that they would be best to let the UK leave. The constant trying to keep the UK in, has never worked and won't work.

 

I can see this is the remainers last chance of trying to thwart the democratic result of 2016. How ironic they go on about democracy but only when it suits them.

 

After the 31st October bring on a GE and lets see how many get the boot, from their constituents.

 

[Laughing Gravy]

13 hours ago, sawadee1947 said:

That's the problem. Never developed, never improved, never updated. The country of nobles, counts, dukes, princesses and kings and queens as in medievil times but then there is a modern country highly skilled ready to compete with many others. And now someone behaving like a totalitarian dictator hopefully chased away soon. ????

Strange people these Brits.... ????

Just the government enacting on a referendum. By the way what about your country and referendums? They just tell them to vote again. You have the audacity to say the UK hasn't improved. It is miles ahead of Ireland and you know it.

[Laughing Gravy]

15 hours ago, DannyCarlton said:

He is a buffoon. It's Dominic Cummings, handsomely paid for by the taxpayer, who came up with the plan to bypass parliamentary democracy.

That Buffoon as you say has just made every remainer MP look like a retard. In chess it would be check with the queen ready to pounce, for check mate. Game set and match.

[DannyCarlton]

9 minutes ago, Laughing Gravy said:

Now that has to be the most ridiculous statement I have heard. Public opinion for the queen is at an all time high. Sadly just some Bolsheviks and Republicans are in a minority but like a stinking bad apple in a barrel you can smell the effect.

Typical Brexiteer statement. Big on jingoistic rhetoric, low on facts.

 

It's actually at an all time low. Apart from betraying her own parliament to appease the Eton toffs she's also got the matter of her son going with 16 and 17 year old hookers to contend with.

 

No more hiding behind the Union Jack, she's shown her true colours.

 

                                                     

[Laughing Gravy]

7 hours ago, sawadee1947 said:

I found this today by Hugh Grant :

 

"You will not <deleted> with my children’s future. You will not destroy the freedoms my grandfather fought two world wars to defend. <deleted> off you over-promoted rubber bath toy. Britain is revolted by you and you little gang of masturbatory prefects. "

 

PERFECT 

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Well you are now quoting a luvvy who enjoys getting BJ's in cars by 'ladies of the night' as an authourity of being British. the man is a twerp of the highest order, who doesn't know what the working person is about. Besides your usual anti British rants this has to be the funniest. Thank you.

[Laughing Gravy]

2 minutes ago, DannyCarlton said:

It's actually at an all time low. Apart from betraying her own parliament to appease the Eton toffs she's also got the matter of her son going with 16 and 17 year old hookers to contend with.

Prove it.

[DannyCarlton]

5 minutes ago, Laughing Gravy said:

That Buffoon as you say has just made every remainer MP look like a retard. In chess it would be check with the queen ready to pounce, for check mate. Game set and match.

Could you not understand my post, or couldn't you resist posting even more pointless rhetoric?

 

The buffoon couldn't knock the top off a boiled egg. It was Dominic Cummings who was the achitect of the treachery.

[DannyCarlton]

3 minutes ago, Laughing Gravy said:

Prove it.

You questioned the veracity of my statement. You prove me wrong.

 

I don't waste my time on howling brexiteers with nothing but rhetoric in their game.

[Laughing Gravy]

17 minutes ago, DannyCarlton said:

You questioned the veracity of my statement. You prove me wrong.

 

I don't waste my time on howling brexiteers with nothing but rhetoric in their game.

Well it clearly shows besides your ridiculous statement and that you just say any old nonsense. No doubt your arrogance will try and pick at the newspaper, the date or the context, as you usually do.

 

I will say it again the Queen is more popular now than ever and your statement like the things you write are made up and nonsensical.

 

https://www.harpersbazaar.com/uk/culture/culture-news/a28731349/most-popular-british-royals-revealed/

 

https://www.newsweek.com/queen-approaches-90-new-poll-reveals-her-growing-popularity-448221

 

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/11/12/duke-sussex-pips-queen-take-popular-royal-crown-according-survey/

 

https://www.cheatsheet.com/entertainment/whos-officially-the-most-popular-royal-family-member.html/

 

https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1134124/Royal-news-Queen-Elizabeth-popularity-Edward-VII-Prince-Harry-Meghan-Markle-latest

 

https://www.elle.com/culture/celebrities/a28737528/queen-elizabeth-royal-family-popularity-poll-2019/

 

 

 

[Laughing Gravy]

1 hour ago, DannyCarlton said:

Could you not understand my post, or couldn't you resist posting even more pointless rhetoric?

 

The buffoon couldn't knock the top off a boiled egg. It was Dominic Cummings who was the achitect of the treachery.

Yet he has out smarted all the remainers. Who is the buffon!

[Stupooey]

10 hours ago, billd766 said:

So please prove that they were lies.

 

They were on the BBC web site, posted innumerable times on the internet. 

 

So either you are calling me out for telling lies or are you are the one who cannot accept the truth.

 

You can search the web for as long as you wish but the truth will still be there.

 

Weasel words from you do not make the facts disappear

 

If you cannot accept what happened in the referendum that is your problem.

 

Reality speaks otherwise.

I think we are at cross-purposes here. It was you who plastered the word 'lies' all over the screen for at least the fiftieth time (do you not remember when you post things?), but I was agreeing with you that some would appear to be lies in hindsight (a wonderful thing, as someone pointed out earlier).

What surprised me is that you believed them in the first place. As I pointed out earlier, Cameron's remarks were aimed at Farage rather than the general public, who he assumed would go along with him. Of course, when he realised what a pig's ear he had made, he immediately resigned, taking his words and promises with him. May's manifesto set out the initial bargaining position and made it clear that compromises would have to be made, so maybe over-optimism rather than lies.

If you are worried about lies from Tory PMs, just wait until the present incumbent gets started!

Weasel words? I don't think so, I have been very straightforward in my assessments.

 

Edited August 30, 2019 by Stupooey
Wrong word used

[Stupooey]

2 hours ago, Laughing Gravy said:

Well you are now quoting a luvvy who enjoys getting BJ's in cars by 'ladies of the night' as an authourity of being British. the man is a twerp of the highest order, who doesn't know what the working person is about. Besides your usual anti British rants this has to be the funniest. Thank you.

This description would appear to apply to quite a few TV posters as well.

[nauseus]

32 minutes ago, Stupooey said:

This description would appear to apply to quite a few TV posters as well.

Is that yet another straightforward assessment? ????

[DannyCarlton]

2 hours ago, Laughing Gravy said:

Well it clearly shows besides your ridiculous statement and that you just say any old nonsense. No doubt your arrogance will try and pick at the newspaper, the date or the context, as you usually do.

 

I will say it again the Queen is more popular now than ever and your statement like the things you write are made up and nonsensical.

 

https://www.harpersbazaar.com/uk/culture/culture-news/a28731349/most-popular-british-royals-revealed/

 

https://www.newsweek.com/queen-approaches-90-new-poll-reveals-her-growing-popularity-448221

 

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/11/12/duke-sussex-pips-queen-take-popular-royal-crown-according-survey/

 

https://www.cheatsheet.com/entertainment/whos-officially-the-most-popular-royal-family-member.html/

 

https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1134124/Royal-news-Queen-Elizabeth-popularity-Edward-VII-Prince-Harry-Meghan-Markle-latest

 

https://www.elle.com/culture/celebrities/a28737528/queen-elizabeth-royal-family-popularity-poll-2019/

 

 

 

All years old. Try quoting something published after she betrayed her parliament an her son hit the headlines yet again.

[Joe Mcseismic]

11 hours ago, kingdong said:

perhaps the uk was punching above its weight,and the pound was over valued,just wait until the eu collapses then you,ll see the GREAT  put back in britain.

Wake up, you're dreaming......

[Joe Mcseismic]

3 hours ago, DannyCarlton said:

Typical Brexiteer statement. Big on jingoistic rhetoric, low on facts.

 

It's actually at an all time low. Apart from betraying her own parliament to appease the Eton toffs she's also got the matter of her son going with 16 and 17 year old hookers to contend with.

 

No more hiding behind the Union Jack, she's shown her true colours.

 

                                                     

You're wrong and I'm a British Republican.

 

https://www.ipsos.com/en/enduring-popularity-queen-elizabeth-ii

[DannyCarlton]

1 hour ago, Laughing Gravy said:

Yet he has out smarted all the remainers. Who is the buffon!

He is Dominic Cummings not Boris the buffoon. Cummings has never been a member of a political party and has always prostituted himself by working for whoever will pay him a wage. Also speaks Russian and is a fan of all things Russia.

[DannyCarlton]

1 minute ago, Joe Mcseismic said:

You're wrong and I'm a British Republican.

 

https://www.ipsos.com/en/enduring-popularity-queen-elizabeth-ii

Again, pre Brexit and well pre her betrayal of parliament.

[Joe Mcseismic]

1 minute ago, DannyCarlton said:

Again, pre Brexit and well pre her betrayal of parliament.

If you took a census now, I really don't think it would be much different.

Most people understand that she has to rubber-stamp whatever is put in front of her.

If she starts showing bias, that will be a sure way for her popularity to wane.