Why I Am Not Coming Back to Thailand

[metisdead]

An off topic rant and the replies have been removed. 

 

Some inflammatory or offensive posts and replies have been removed. 

[sirineou]

2 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

Leaving aside the details of whether a particular person can or cannot qualify for some visa here, there's a lot of truth in the OP's description of some of the various negative qualities of Thailand these days. And as most people here probably recognize, a lot of those issues have gotten worse, not better, in recent years.

 

I think the decision about whether people decide to stay or go -- apart from visa viability -- comes down to whether they can find and have enough positive things in their personal life here to offset/counterbalance all the negative things that the OP spelled out. And obviously, that's an individual calculation that's different for each person.

 

When I first moved here years ago, for quite a long time, I figured I'd stay here the rest of my life. Now, even with my own positives, I can feel my overall balance point shifting and lately see myself making plans for a future departure at some point... either because they'll do something that will force me to leave, or because I'll decide I've finally had enough.

 

 

 Always a good idea to have a plan B .

I have being coming to Thailand for a long time, we own (long time wife and me) our own house that we build plus other property and were planning to retire here full time , later this year . 

Now not so certain. 

In Laws in Thailand have passed away (lovely people miss them a lot), I am getting older too and the BS (visas, medical, TM30,wire transfers, corruption,etc) is becoming less and less  palatable,  Wife has gotten used to life in the US, likes the shopping, inexpensive cars, law and order, is now making good money in her business and don't want to give it up,

Point being, things change. Not only places and systems , but we change. Mentally and Physically. 

Glad I never sold the House back home, do a "burner/runner" and try to escape.Those who know me (haven't changed my avatar in over ten years on TVF) know my Mantra "don't burn your bridges back home you never know when you will need them"

As Dorothy said "There is no place like home"

 There is not much certainly in life, but one thing is certain, Things will change, and how? no one knows. 

To the OP., ok things are not working out as planned. No need to get upset, Go back home, or go elsewhere, Who knows it might be better. 

If not, no worries Thailand is not going anywhere.

Everything that at the time looked to be "end of the world" has alway , eventually, worked out for the best.

 

 

[sunnyboy2018]

4 hours ago, madmen said:

Pathetic post. Translated=Don't have the 800k !!

Plenty of people dont have a spare 23 thousand pounds.  There should be other mechanisms and options as there have been in the past  for long termers.

[EricTh]

There seems to be a large increase in the number of 'rejected visa' posts this year. 

 

Yes, Thai government is getting stricter for people who stay in Thailand for many years. This includes

 

1. Visa runs/Border runs on tourist visa

2. Long term education visa (more than 2 years)

3. Retirement visa on fake affidavits.

 

Please add to the list if i have missed any.

Edited September 6, 2019 by EricTh

[madmen]

1 minute ago, sunnyboy2018 said:

Plenty of people dont have a spare 23 thousand pounds.  There should be other mechanisms and options as there have been in the past  for long termers.

Yes affidavits and stat decs but this has nothing to do with immigration as they are STILL accepting Enbassy letters. sadly thousands built there dreams on a house of cards thinking they could BS the embassy letters forever

 

I feel sorry for those that have familys, thats has to be tough but I dont feel sorry for whiners like the OP who tries to scam the system with Ed visas and then slags off Thailand when he is busted...Good riddance to him !!

[BritManToo]

19 minutes ago, sirineou said:

There is not much certainly in life, but one thing is certain,

Death (& taxes).

Edited September 6, 2019 by BritManToo

[Tayaout]

Not sure if many trolls or serious. 

[sirineou]

5 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

Death (& taxes).

Though it sounds good, the truth of the matter is that even with death and taxes, one does not know when , or how much.

[Ebumbu]

Well, have you attempted to stay for years on the ED visa? If so, this was easily foreseeable. 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

27 minutes ago, madmen said:

I feel sorry for those that have familys, thats has to be tough but I dont feel sorry for whiners like the OP who tries to scam the system with Ed visas and then slags off Thailand when he is busted...Good riddance to him !!

 

Your sense of empathy is jaw-dropping.

 

There are lots of farangs here who have followed the rules in the past as they existed, and were not scamming anything, but now finds themselves on the outs because the rules or they way they're enforced have changed and are changing in a variety of ways.

 

The fact you can't see or understand that says a lot more about you than it does about the victims of the rule changes.

Edited September 6, 2019 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[brokenbone]

im over 50 now, but if thailand had informed beforehand

youngsters arent welcome, i wouldnt have come.

now i am in too much pain to leave.

i think thailand should declare publicly youngsters arent welcome, saves us all from a lot of hassle

[55Jay]

4 hours ago, Anagami said:

...and even if I were over 50 and could apply for the retirement visa, I wouldn't at this point...

 

It isn't worth it. Specifically, Thailand simply isn't worth it.

 

It is amazing to me what people put up with, and the extent to which they allow themselves to be abused.

Different perspective when you reach a certain point in life, and "this is it".   It's not that those who continue to downplay and rationalize the creeping reality of tightening of policy in the past 2 years, can't see it or feel it.  Some may not have an option, or they do but it would wipe them out financially or at this piont, it's just logistically unpalletable.   And so it just easier and cheaper to stay.   Still, IMO, it's not "that" bad if you don't dwell on it.  Could be worse.   Majority "Good guys" usually suffer in a government's effort to corner a relative minority of Bad Guys.  Big hammer, small nail.

 

The ones who can be annoying AF are the Dr. Phil Life Coaches.  Contrarians professing their unwavering happiness to anyone who'll listen, usually with a string of repetative emojies 'fore and aft.   Nothing wrong with trying really hard to maintain a healthy, positive outlook but jeez, if it takes THAT much constant effort projecting it, then there might be more going on behind the curtain.  Ticking time bombs, perhaps.

[BestB]

One thing that always makes me laugh is people who believe that their custom makes any difference.

 

As if country would fall apart without that 1 person there.

 

Always the same kind of song, " i spend money, i do this and i do that and if they treat me like this, then better i go spend my money elsewhere"

 

Do this people seriously that delusional to believe their 1 or 2 million baht per year , usually not even that makes any difference?

 

May be they were a Toyota or Samsung with hundreds of millions invested, then they could make some noise or a billionaire with few hundred billion in the bank would make them noticeable, but common really, because OP can not get his visa extended, he could get elite but would not, so therefore Thailand is done 

[wisperone]

55 minutes ago, sirineou said:

"don't burn your bridges back home you never know when you will need them"

As Dorothy said "There is no place like home"

100% correct

[sirineou]

16 minutes ago, brokenbone said:

im over 50 now, but if thailand had informed beforehand

youngsters arent welcome, i wouldnt have come.

now i am in too much pain to leave.

i think thailand should declare publicly youngsters arent welcome, saves us all from a lot of hassle

I don't think Thailand does not welcome youngsters, It does not welcome anyone who considers Thailand a playpen. If you have a reason, other than play, to  be here  , you are welcome.

You want to play come here on vacation.

Have a job? Welcome 

Go to school? Welcome

Same for Older people. 

Over 50. all that is required is a $20,000 usd refundable ticket. Place the money in a bank, Use it to make extensions. Dont want to be here? take your money and leave.

Married? $13,000 usd 

$20,000 usd is then price of an average new car, You cant afford a car yet you are surprised Thailand dont want you? 

Thailand want you, she just don't want you broke.

Plenty of frustrations with Thailand , I Have a few myself, but the visa requirement is not one of them.  

Edited September 6, 2019 by sirineou

[Anagami]

3 minutes ago, sirineou said:

 

Go to school? Welcome

 

 

Not anymore.

[Anagami]

48 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

Death (& taxes).

Some do avoid taxes. ????

[persimmon]

My local swimming pool used to charge 50 bt to anyone that wanted to swim.Now there is a sign ( in Thai ) which says Thai people 50 bt  , foreigners 80 bt.

 

The attitude seems to be hardening and Farangs are now just a resource to be exploited.

[sirineou]

Just now, Anagami said:

 

Not anymore.

I don't know because I have no need, but aren't education visas available to legitimate students? 

[Anagami]

3 hours ago, ThomasThBKK said:

SSRV Visa in the PH in his age costs 50k USD.

 

Yes, except you can live there on tourist visas with no problems for years, without exiting the country.

 

You don't even need the SSRV Visa, as their tourist visa system is easy and friendly.

 

No comparison with certain other country. ????

[Anagami]

Just now, sirineou said:

I don't know because I have no need, but aren't education visas available to legitimate students? 

Recently, I learned that this is not the case, not just for me but for many others too.

 

I was a legitimate student in Thailand, now I am told to leave.

[Anagami]

3 hours ago, Isaanbiker said:

  How many girls back home would smile at you? I get tired of such topics why people go away from here.  

 

Who said anything about going home? ???? There are better alternatives than Thailand in Asia.

Edited September 6, 2019 by Anagami

[BestB]

2 minutes ago, Anagami said:

Recently, I learned that this is not the case, not just for me but for many others too.

 

I was a legitimate student in Thailand, now I am told to leave.

You are not told to leave, but rather told to find a legitimate school instead of visa factories.

 

Can always enroll into uni intensive language program

[marin]

I just noticed this is the same poster who started a thread about a "friend" who is a monk being denied a visa as well.  Very angry he cant keep his ed visa.   What do you bet he does not attend classes?

[4MyEgo]

5 hours ago, Anagami said:

It is amazing to me what people put up with, and the extent to which they allow themselves to be abused.

I have been coming and going to Thailand since 2005, in 2015 moved here permanently, I have not once been abused in any form or in anyway, you would be surprised how far a smile and a wai goes with Thai's, and in no way do I bend over for anyone, however it's all about respect for others as much as it is for yourself.

 

Thailand as we all know is different to where we came from, but please, if you cannot live here for whatever reasons, the TM30, the culture, this, that or whatever, don't come onto TVF and blame Thailand, they never rolled the red carpet out to us and never will, if they want to roll it out to the Chinese or Indians or both, I won't be jealous, I will continue to live here under their rules, and when and if I don't like it here no longer, if ever, I will part, but I won't blame Thailand as it is I who chose to live here and can face up to what bothers me here and a broad, I'm not perfect, Thailand is not perfect, there is no perfect, it there was a perfect we all wouldn't be here reading this on TVF oi ????

 

Hope you find what you're looking for, but first, take a look in the mirror, smile and tell yourself, there is no perfect, maybe then and only then can you adjust your attitude towards your outward looking and logical thinking, worth a shot.

Edited September 6, 2019 by 4MyEgo

[Anagami]

1 minute ago, BestB said:

You are not told to leave, but rather told to find a legitimate school instead of visa factories.

 

Can always enroll into uni intensive language program

OMG. You are so clever. Why haven't I thought of that???? (Has it occurred to you perhaps that there are no universities where I live, where I have the rental contract?)

 

FYI: I WAS told to leave.

[Anagami]

Just now, 4MyEgo said:

I have been coming and going to Thailand since 2005, in 2015 moved here permanently, I have not once been abused in any form or in anyway, you would be surprised how far a smile and a wai goes with Thai's, and in no way do I bend over for anyone, however it's all about respect for others as much as it is for yourself.

 

Thailand as we all know is different to where we came from, but please, if you cannot live here for whatever reasons, the TM30, the culture, this, that or whatever, don't come onto TVF and blame Thailand, they never rolled the red carpet out to us and never will, if they want to roll it out to the Chinese or Indians or both, I won't be jealous, I will continue to live here under their rules, and when it and if I don't like it, I will part, but I won't blame Thailand as it is I who chose to live here and can face up to what bothers me here and a broad, I'm not perfect, Thailand is not perfect, there is no perfect, it there was a perfect we all would be here reading this on TVF oi ????

 

Hope you find what you're looking for, but first, take a look in the mirror, smile and tell yourself, there is no perfect, maybe then and only then can you adjust your attitude towards your outward looking and logical thinking, worth a shot.

 

Not looking for perfect, Pepe. Looking for reasonable. And Thailand has become anything but.

[Anagami]

I am signing off on this thread, and wish all of you who are staying good luck in this pathetic police state.

[metisdead]

As the OP says he is signing off on this topic, this topic is now closed.