UK's Johnson again bids for snap poll as Brexit delay bill to become law

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UK's Johnson again bids for snap poll as Brexit delay bill to become law

By Michael Holden

 

Britain's Prime Minister Boris Johnson makes a speech during a visit to West Yorkshire, Britain September 5, 2019. Danny Lawson/PA Wire/Pool via REUTERS

 

LONDON (Reuters) - British Prime Minister Boris Johnson will try for a second time on Monday to call a snap election, but is set to be thwarted once more by opposition lawmakers who want to ensure he cannot take Britain out of the European Union without a divorce agreement.

 

With no majority in parliament, which is determined to prevent what many businesses fear would be a calamitous way to quit the EU, Johnson wants to hold an election to keep his promise of leaving by Oct. 31, with or without an agreement.

 

On Monday, a bill is due to become law that would force him to seek a three-month extension to that deadline unless parliament has either approved a deal or consented by Oct. 19 to leave without one.

 

That has prompted Johnson, who has said he would rather be "dead in a ditch" than request such an extension, to ask for an election on Oct. 15.

 

He will put forward a motion in parliament on Monday to propose this, but it would require the support of two-thirds of lawmakers - and opposition parties have said they will not agree to an election until a 'no-deal' exit is ruled out.

 

It means that, three years after Britain voted to leave the EU, there is deep uncertainty about how the Brexit dilemma will play out what it will mean for the world's fifth-largest economy and its people and politics.

 

Johnson, in office for less than two months, has endured a torrid seven days in which he lost his majority in parliament, expelled 21 rebels from his Conservative Party and saw his own brother quit the government, torn between family loyalty and "the national interest".

 

On Saturday, his work and pensions minister suddenly resigned, saying the government was focusing 80 to 90% of its work on 'no-deal' preparations rather than seeking a withdrawal agreement with the EU.

 

Meanwhile two ministers said on Sunday that Johnson would not seek a delay at a summit next month - but notably declined to spell out how he would nevertheless obey the new law if no deal was agreed with the EU. 

 

NO-DEAL BREXIT BLOCK

Johnson and other senior ministers say they are coming up with new proposals and that progress is being made in talks.

 

Finance minister Sajid Javid said Johnson would go to an EU summit on Oct. 17 to try to secure that deal.

 

"The prime minister will go to the council meeting on the 17th and 18th (of October), he'll be trying to strike a deal. He absolutely will not be asking for an extension in that meeting," Javid told the BBC.

 

One of the main sticking points has been disagreement over the Irish 'backstop' - an insurance policy to prevent the return of visible checks on the border between the Irish Republic and the British province of Northern Ireland.

 

Johnson goes to Dublin on Monday for talks with his Irish counterpart Leo Varadkar, but expectations are low.

 

"I don't think the meeting tomorrow is a high-stakes meeting in that I don't anticipate a big breakthrough," Varadkar said on Sunday. "If we come to an agreement, that will happen most likely in October at the EU summit."

 

The bill requiring Johnson to seek a Brexit extension is due to become law on Monday when it receives the assent of Queen Elizabeth, a move Johnson said would destroy Britain's negotiating strategy by removing the threat of a 'no-deal' exit.

 

Foreign minister Dominic Raab said the government would "test to the limit" what the law would require ministers to do, and the Daily Telegraph reported that his office was exploring how it could sabotage any extension request by making it clear to the EU that it did not want a delay.

 

Irish Finance Minister Paschal Donohoe told BBC radio: "I think it would be reasonable to say that, from our point of view, we would be in favour of an extension that would create the space to hopefully conclude where we are. But it is a matter that needs full agreement across the European Council."

 

(Additional reporting by Paul Sandle; editing by Guy Faulconbridge and Kevin Liffey)

 

-- © Copyright Reuters 2019-09-09

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[JonnyF]

Parliament will refuse. Remain MP's don't want the pesky electorate getting in the way of their attempts to block the referendum result. No, no, no, that would be far too democratic. 

 

https://www.spiked-online.com/2019/09/04/why-remoaners-are-so-terrified-of-a-general-election/

 

[Bruntoid]

32 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Parliament will refuse. Remain MP's don't want the pesky electorate getting in the way of their attempts to block the referendum result. No, no, no, that would be far too democratic. 

 

https://www.spiked-online.com/2019/09/04/why-remoaners-are-so-terrified-of-a-general-election/

 

Feel better ? 

[welovesundaysatspace]

36 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Parliament will refuse. Remain MP's don't want the pesky electorate getting in the way of their attempts to block the referendum result. No, no, no, that would be far too democratic. 

Here, have some. 

[evadgib]

The full interview hasn't yet been uploaded but this was Farage on GMB earlier:

 

[soalbundy]

We haven't had an extension for ages, doesn't feel like brexit without one.

[Chomper Higgot]

Brexiteers scramble for meme’s to prop their hopes up rather than admit it is Johnson’s lies and incompetence that is at the root of this latest spill from the crock of Brexit.

 

Johnson now faced with an end of day deadline brought about by his own attempts to outflank Parliament and the UK’s representative democracy.

 

 

[brucec64]

Parliament will refuse. Remain MP's don't want the pesky electorate getting in the way of their attempts to block the referendum result. No, no, no, that would be far too democratic. 
 
https://www.spiked-online.com/2019/09/04/why-remoaners-are-so-terrified-of-a-general-election/
 

There is no scheduled election for 3 to 4 years, but you are looking for a do over? I thought voting again on something was undemocratic??

Skip the election and go straight to the second referendum if the electorate needs a voice.

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[evadgib]

Stomper; As you're splitting your sides yet again lets hear what you make of this?

 

 

Edited September 9, 2019 by evadgib

[PerkinsCuthbert]

Here's one take on how:

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-09-08/did-boris-johnson-just-rope-dope-his-way-hard-brexit

[snoop1130]

Johnson: I want a Brexit deal but parliament doesn't daunt me

 

Britain's Prime Minister Boris Johnson gestures as he speaks next to Ireland's Prime Minister (Taoiseach) Leo Varadkar (not pictured) in Dublin, Ireland, September 9, 2019. REUTERS/Phil Noble

 

DUBLIN (Reuters) - British Prime Minister Boris Johnson said on Monday he wanted a Brexit deal on Oct. 18 and that he was undaunted by attempts by parliament to block a no-deal exit.

 

“I’m absolutely undaunted by whatever may take place in parliament,” Johnson said. “I think what the British people want us to do is to deliver a deal and to get on and take us out on Oct. 31.”

 

Speaking in Ireland alongside Irish Prime Minister Leo Varadkar, Johnson said he was bringing ideas on ways to resolve the Irish border backstop but that a breakthrough was unlikely on Monday.

 

“I have one message that I want to land with you today, Leo, that is I want to find a deal, I want to get a deal,” Johnson said. “Like you I’ve looked carefully at no-deal, I’ve assessed its consequences both for our country and yours.”

 

“And yes, of course, we could do it, the UK could certainly get through it but be in no doubt that outcome would be a failure of statecraft for which we would all be responsible,” Johnson said.

 

“So for the sake of business, for farmers, and millions of ordinary people who are counting on us to use our imagination and creativity to get this done. I want you to know I would overwhelmingly prefer to find an agreement.”

 

-- © Copyright Reuters 2019-09-09

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[brucec64]

23 minutes ago, snoop1130 said:

Johnson: I want a Brexit deal but parliament doesn't daunt me

 

Britain's Prime Minister Boris Johnson gestures as he speaks next to Ireland's Prime Minister (Taoiseach) Leo Varadkar (not pictured) in Dublin, Ireland, September 9, 2019. REUTERS/Phil Noble

 

DUBLIN (Reuters) - British Prime Minister Boris Johnson said on Monday he wanted a Brexit deal on Oct. 18 and that he was undaunted by attempts by parliament to block a no-deal exit.

 

“I’m absolutely undaunted by whatever may take place in parliament,” Johnson said. “I think what the British people want us to do is to deliver a deal and to get on and take us out on Oct. 31.”

 

Speaking in Ireland alongside Irish Prime Minister Leo Varadkar, Johnson said he was bringing ideas on ways to resolve the Irish border backstop but that a breakthrough was unlikely on Monday.

 

“I have one message that I want to land with you today, Leo, that is I want to find a deal, I want to get a deal,” Johnson said. “Like you I’ve looked carefully at no-deal, I’ve assessed its consequences both for our country and yours.”

 

“And yes, of course, we could do it, the UK could certainly get through it but be in no doubt that outcome would be a failure of statecraft for which we would all be responsible,” Johnson said.

 

“So for the sake of business, for farmers, and millions of ordinary people who are counting on us to use our imagination and creativity to get this done. I want you to know I would overwhelmingly prefer to find an agreement.”

 

-- © Copyright Reuters 2019-09-09

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“So for the sake of business, for farmers, and millions of ordinary people who are counting on us to use our imagination and creativity to get this done. I want you to know I would overwhelmingly prefer to find an agreement.” 

 

How is it possible that a sentence contains more lies than actual words in the sentence? Boris is truly a skilled liar.

[Chomper Higgot]

46 minutes ago, evadgib said:

Stomper; As you're splitting your sides yet again lets hear what you make of this?

 

 

I look forward to you expressing your own views for discussion rather than just our customary resort to ripped memes.

 

 

[billd766]

15 minutes ago, brucec64 said:

“So for the sake of business, for farmers, and millions of ordinary people who are counting on us to use our imagination and creativity to get this done. I want you to know I would overwhelmingly prefer to find an agreement.” 

 

How is it possible that a sentence contains more lies than actual words in the sentence? Boris is truly a skilled liar.

All the time that some 650 elected people called parliament keeps faffing about the more it costs the UK. Being elected as an MP does not give them super powers and it really doesn't matter if they think it does.

 

They were elected by, and are paid for the people of the UK to represent those people, but most of them should be charged with dereliction of duty and taking money under false pretenses. 

 

For a couple of years the opposition have been shouting and ranting for an election and now Boris has offered them one.

 

Do they want it, will they take it now?

 

Not a fracking chance because, if they did, many of them would not be returning to the cushy life they have now.

[evadgib]

42 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I look forward to you expressing your own views for discussion rather than just our customary resort to ripped memes.

 

 

I'll take that as a 'No'.

[tomacht8]

2 hours ago, evadgib said:

Stomper; As you're splitting your sides yet again lets hear what you make of this?

 

 

What is so bad about a common European army? Could help prevent wars on European soil between European countries. Would also save a lot on costs and bring more efficiency. Europe must secure its borders externally. After all, the Frontex project is already a start.

 

 

[welovesundaysatspace]

1 hour ago, tomacht8 said:

What is so bad about a common European army?

Nothing is bad about it, they’re just clutching straws while at the same time enjoying NATO. 

 

[Bruntoid]

4 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Brexiteers scramble for meme’s to prop their hopes up rather than admit it is Johnson’s lies and incompetence that is at the root of this latest spill from the crock of Brexit.

 

Johnson now faced with an end of day deadline brought about by his own attempts to outflank Parliament and the UK’s representative democracy.

 

 

Plaid Cymru have just unearthed Boris Johnson demanding Tony Blair be impeached for his ‘contempt of parliament’ in 2004 ????????????

 

Unfortunate 

 

 

 

[Bruntoid]

News update - Tommy Robinson has today officially declared his support for Boris Johnson and Brexit and ‘advised’ his supporters to vote for it (probably not necessary).

 

This following on from Saturdays ‘riot’ in which the political heavyweights the DFLA - the Democratic Football Lads Alliance (number 200) in which a beer can was thrown.

 

With quality affiliations like that, Its like the leavers duck eggs are all lining up in a row ???? 

Edited September 9, 2019 by Bruntoid

[evadgib]

Bercow will stand down on or before 31 October.

Good riddance!

[Jip99]

17 minutes ago, evadgib said:

Bercow will stand down on or before 31 October.

Good riddance!

 

+1

 

He has done more than any other individual to bring parliament/parliamentary process into disrepute.

[vogie]

21 minutes ago, evadgib said:

Bercow will stand down on or before 31 October.

Good riddance!

Standing down before he was pushed. Apparently he got a standing ovation from the Labour benches, no surprise there then.

[Kinnock]

What a shameful failure of politics.

 

First Cameron"s cynical ploy to neuter UKIP by holding a referendums backfires, so he resigns and leaves others to clear up the mess.  Corbyn sits on the fence as the EU could prevent his plans to re-nationalise, then May's arrogance leads to an election that loses her party majority, 

 

In-fighting thwarts May"s deal and then the Telegraph reporter who started the original anti-EU propaganda as a lazy way to write popular reports, somehow becomes Prime Minister and tries to crash out of the EU with no deal to make his mark on history.

 

You couldn't make this stuff up!

 

[Jip99]

1 hour ago, Bruntoid said:

News update - Tommy Robinson has today officially declared his support for Boris Johnson and Brexit and ‘advised’ his supporters to vote for it (probably not necessary).

 

This following on from Saturdays ‘riot’ in which the political heavyweights the DFLA - the Democratic Football Lads Alliance (number 200) in which a beer can was thrown.

 

With quality affiliations like that, Its like the leavers duck eggs are all lining up in a row ???? 

 

 

Joined September 3rd...........yet such a familiar posting style.

[nauseus]

4 hours ago, tomacht8 said:

What is so bad about a common European army? Could help prevent wars on European soil between European countries. Would also save a lot on costs and bring more efficiency. Europe must secure its borders externally. After all, the Frontex project is already a start.

 

 

An EU army will give military control to the EU over its peoples. It won't have the capability to challenge any existing superpower. You are so blinkered! Why should the UK hand over years of capability, investment and expertise to the EU? This is the prime reason to leave! 

[Loiner]

What is so bad about a common European army? Could help prevent wars on European soil between European countries. Would also save a lot on costs and bring more efficiency. Europe must secure its borders externally. After all, the Frontex project is already a start.
 
 

What’s so bad about an EU army? Guess you think your offspring would be sadly at the back somewhere.
Theres always the strong possibility that they would be pushing British regiments to the front of any EU manufactured dispute with Russia or anybody else.

[Loiner]

What is so bad about a common European army? Could help prevent wars on European soil between European countries. Would also save a lot on costs and bring more efficiency. Europe must secure its borders externally. After all, the Frontex project is already a start.
 
 

What’s so bad about an EU army? Guess you think your offspring would be safely at the back somewhere.
Theres always the strong possibility that they would be pushing British regiments to the front of any EU manufactured dispute with Russia or anybody else.

[oldhippy]

44 minutes ago, Loiner said:

What’s so bad about an EU army? Guess you think your offspring would be safely at the back somewhere.
Theres always the strong possibility that they would be pushing British regiments to the front of any EU manufactured dispute with Russia or anybody else.

Paranoia or trolling ?

[Basil B]

Motion: Mandating the government to publish documents relating to Prorogation and Operation Yellow Hammer.

 

Passed 311 to 302...

 

Another kick in the goolies for BoJo

[Loiner]

Paranoia or trolling ?

Dunno, I think you’ve probably got both.