16 minutes ago, Basil B said:

I would have settled for 60% of votes cast...

Would you have settled for 60% of the total votes if there was a minority of votes in the 'states' of Northern Ireland, Wales and Scotland?

5 minutes ago, vogie said:

I certainly don't dispute that the Tories are 10 points ahead of the Lib/Dems nor do I dispute that Boris is ahead of all other leaders by a coutry mile.

 

 

 

From the same website. More recent. SNP a rout. Lib Dems big gains since last election.

 

 

Anyway now Party Time, as the party conferences begin next week...

 

This year it is going to be exciting with the prospect of a GE within weeks and first to kick off will be the Lib/Dems almost certain to be Revoke A50 but can live with a referendum (as long as it is for revoke A50).

 

Then Labour, we will tell you what our policy is when we win the GE.

 

The Tories, some MP's have been very naughty so no going to the seaside this year. this party conference will be noted for who did not attend than those who did.

Looking back at the past weeks parliamentary kerfuffle I can't help but to think about the words of Donald Tusk when the extension was agreed. 

 

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Tonight the European Council decided to Grant United Kingdom a flexible extension of the article 50 period until the 31st of October. This means an additional six months for the UK. During this time the course of action will be entirely in the UKs hands. They can still ratify the withdrawal agreement in which case the extension will be terminated. It can also reconsider the whole Brexit strategy. That might lead to changes in the political declaration but not in the withdrawal agreement. Until the end of this period the UK will also have the possibility to revoke article 50 and cancel Brexit altogether. The UK will continue its sincere cooperation as a full member state with all its rights and as a close friend and trusted allie in the future. Let me finish with a message though to our British friends. This extension is as flexible as I expected and a little bit shorter than I expected but it's still enough to find the best possible solution. Please do not waste this time

 

1 hour ago, tebee said:

I want us to leave and join EFTA - that's also leaving, why can't I have that instead ?

That's nice. Unfortunately the EU have stopped negotiations so it's May's surrender treaty or No Deal.

13 minutes ago, vogie said:

I certainly don't dispute that the Tories are 10 points ahead of the Lib/Dems nor do I dispute that Boris is ahead of all other leaders by a coutry mile.

https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/general-election-tory-mps-could-lose-seats-as-no-10-polls-show-boris-johnson-on-course-to-lose-power/

 

General election: Tory MPs could lose seats as No 10 polls ‘show Boris Johnson on course to lose power’

2 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

That's nice. Unfortunately the EU have stopped negotiations so it's May's surrender treaty or No Deal.

Or remain.

5 minutes ago, DannyCarlton said:

https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/general-election-tory-mps-could-lose-seats-as-no-10-polls-show-boris-johnson-on-course-to-lose-power/

 

General election: Tory MPs could lose seats as No 10 polls ‘show Boris Johnson on course to lose power’

And in the usual remainer fashion you'll dismiss opposing views by claiming the source of the information is evil, corrupt, paid for and nothing but a lobbying bunch of tw*ts. But I thought I'd chip in anyway just for the fun of watching your reaction.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/sep/07/tories-extend-lead-over-labour-to-10-despite-chaotic-week

I watched the debate last night, Johnson being handed his sixth defeat.

 

His years long record of lying iced with a growing record of incompetence.

 

Added to which, while insisting on the option for a no-deal Brexit, Johnson refuses to let the nation see the advice he has been given in the impact upon the nation of no-deal.

2 hours ago, JonnyF said:

Excuses for cowardice are particularly odious.

You're right. Johnson's closing of Parliament is particularly odious and cowardly 

2 hours ago, vogie said:

Labour don't trust their leader and in all fairness who can blame them. If they thought that they could win an election they would have one, simple, they could put this total debacle to bed once and for all, they are scared. 

Don’t care how labour feel about their leader, not my problem. 

 

Already answered your point on why the opposition parties are waiting for an election. 

 

4 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

Yes we understand that but did the people who voted leave want a deal or no deal exit?

In my very humble opinion, I think a 'no-deal' exit was not even an option taken into consideration even by the 'leave' camp in their campaign before the referendum, ...at least not in the communication towards the general public.

That 'hard brexit' no-deal concept possibly/probably already existed (a 'secret agenda'?) though, among the inner circle of nationalist-populist extremists, whose aim by now clearly appear to be: grab power at any cost, whatever the consequences for the country...

6 hours ago, sammieuk1 said:

At least he's got 5 ducks in a row and that will be his claim to fame and lasting memory of his turbulent tenure ????

Six out of six now ????

BJ’s current situation in the eyes of cartoonist Jos Collignon in today’s Dutch De Volkskrant:

5 hours ago, stephenterry said:

Most sensible people, including parliament, would reject a 'no-deal'. That's clear. But the impasse is how to reach a deal with the EU, when Johnson is intent of ripping-up the current deal on the table?

 

IMO, he should dump the DUP, for starters. Then dump himself.

 

Actually Johnson should just go to Brussels and agree a deal which would be acceptable to parliament.  All can be done before the October deadline.  It would more or less be May's deal but then Boris could probably remain PM and the country could move on.

 

It is all very well crying that the remainers are stopping Johnson from getting a deal when in fact it is Boris doing that.  You can say that parliament voted against May's deal last time but if you get the ERG thugs, JRM and the cretin Raab to vote yes it would get through. If you want Brexit it is there.  It's not great for the country but a trillion times better than Johnson's no-deal rubbish!

5 hours ago, JonnyF said:

He doesn't want one, but it's the only way out of the deadlock.

 

Unfortunately the cowardly Remainers know they would lose, so they blocked it to protect their own seats.

So you think the remainers are running the show and not the government?   Nobody is stopping Boris going to Brussels and making a deal.  It is his own stupidity doing that.  

23 minutes ago, dunroaming said:

Six out of six now ????

Must have fell asleep and missed a quack easy to do when facts get mired in aspirational fantasy land fiction???? 

Let’s not forget, Johnson is well into a 30 day count down to when he needs to provide the Government’s proposals for the Irish border.

 

I suspect this is going to be like the Brexiteer Plan B that was promised back in November of last year.

6 hours ago, JonnyF said:

Remainer MP's call for a vote for 2 years and when they are offered one, they refuse it.

 

Absolute Cowards.

And what would a new election get for the UK? Those opposed to PM Johnson seem to be winning without the election they have been denied. 

I don't really know what is going on here. Has Boris overplayed his hand? Has Corbyn screwed up after playing masterfully during May's tenure? 

Personally I think the EU negotiated in bad faith and May stupidly gave up the no deal option and so had no leverage in the negotiations. The EU's position was to punish the UK for wanting to leave and to impoverish the nation, so as to deter other potential leavers...their worst nightmare was to see UK make a success of Brexit. This is immature in the extreme.

Personally I am rooting for Boris.....let's get out, pay them nothing, and then negotiate a deal if they want one. The exports to the EU account for only 7% of GDP....the loss is manageable...much like the financial crash in 2008.

    I believe British law makers are acting illegally, making laws and decisions just to suit there own agenda's,

Laws are made in the countries interest, and should not be just for themselves.

   So Boris needs to do more to act against those law breaking criminals.

7 hours ago, stephenterry said:

Most sensible people, including parliament, would reject a 'no-deal'. That's clear. But the impasse is how to reach a deal with the EU, when Johnson is intent of ripping-up the current deal on the table?

 

IMO, he should dump the DUP, for starters. Then dump himself.

 

Most of the British Isles want to remain British. Proof being that the opposition won't agree to a general election.

 

The opposition want to resuscitate the Withdrawal Agreement in order to remain in the Single Market and Customs Union.

 

But remain this time would mean not only keeping in place all the reasons the majority of the people voted for leaving (to retake the ability to make their own laws, negotiate their own trade agreements, decide for themselves how to spend their taxes and control who enters and leaves the kingdom), but in addition have no say in the laws governing them from the European Commission in Brussels and have no longer any way to quit the EU except with the permission of the European Council.

7 hours ago, stephenterry said:

a few cosmetic tweaks on the backstop

Any 'tweaks' would have to approved by the EU and so far they have refused change.

      Brussels is obviously not going to give a deal that benefits the UK, or another extension, They want to keep the UK in, because all they want is our money, So Boris needs to stick to just taking us out regardless of all the crooked MP's trying to block everything.

3 minutes ago, MartinKal said:

Most of the British Isles want to remain British. Proof being that the opposition won't agree to a general election.

 

The opposition want to resuscitate the Withdrawal Agreement in order to remain in the Single Market and Customs Union.

 

But remain this time would mean not only keeping in place all the reasons the majority of the people voted for leaving (to retake the ability to make their own laws, decide for themselves how to spend their taxes and control who enters and leaves the kingdom), but in addition have no say in the laws governing them from the European Commission in Brussels and have no longer any way to quit the EU except with the permission of the European Council.

Do you really have no idea of what’s the EU about or do you just like to misinform others?

9 hours ago, brucec64 said:

Parliament has 3-4 more years to go before an election is required. Are you requesting a do-over because you don't like to parliament that was elected in the last election? Seems like you are the losing side not consenting to a public vote. How is this different from a second referendum? That is true irony. 

The winning party promised "strong and stable" government.

Do you consider they have achieved either?

9 hours ago, TopDeadSenter said:

To be fair there is not much point having any more elections. The concept of the losing side consenting to the public vote which is the cornerstone of our democracy has been destroyed by remainers. This was the ultimate throwing the baby out with the bathwater. Just wait until one day they win an election and then are not allowed to govern(because the voters were too stump stupid to make the "right" decision and further elections are needed). Delicious irony for sure! The age of whoever throws the biggest tantrum winning their political aims will be a rocky ride.

The cornerstone of our democracy is Parliament, which the leavers have tried to exclude from debate and have now shut down. A referendum is NOT a cornerstone as it is only advisory and leaves it to Parliament to decide. And Parliament is not obliged to take the advice if it believes it to be against the national interest.

1 hour ago, dunroaming said:

So you think the remainers are running the show and not the government?   Nobody is stopping Boris going to Brussels and making a deal.  It is his own stupidity doing that.  

Actually the Remainers are stopping him making a deal, because they've taken away his trump card, his best negotiating tactic (No Deal).

7 minutes ago, MartinKal said:

The opposition want to resuscitate the Withdrawal Agreement in order to remain in the Single Market and Customs Union.

If you mean May's withdrawal agreement, it takes us out of the single market immediately and out of the customs union when a solution for the NI border is found. (2 years by Boris's estimate).

48 minutes ago, Pedrogaz said:

let's get out, pay them nothing,

It's a debatable point whether the UK will still be due to pay even with a no deal.  It's certainly not clear and the EU have said that it would have to be decided in ECJ.

Of course the UK can refuse to pay the bill but that's another matter.