Johnson, likening himself to Incredible Hulk, vows Oct. 31 Brexit

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Johnson, likening himself to Incredible Hulk, vows Oct. 31 Brexit

 

FILE PHOTO: British Prime Minister Boris Johnson marks London International Shipping Week in London, Britain September 12, 2019. Johnson is pushing for a snap election. Daniel Leal-Olivas/Pool via REUTERS/File Photo

 

LONDON (Reuters) - British Prime Minister Boris Johnson likened himself to the unruly comic book character The Incredible Hulk late on Saturday in a newspaper interview where he stressed his determination to take Britain out of the European Union on Oct. 31.

 

The Mail on Sunday newspaper reported that Johnson said he would find a way to circumvent a recent parliament vote ordering him to delay Brexit rather than take Britain out of the EU without a transition deal to ease the economic shock.

 

“The madder Hulk gets, the stronger Hulk gets,” Johnson was quoted as saying. “Hulk always escaped, no matter how tightly bound in he seemed to be - and that is the case for this country. We will come out on October 31.”

 

Britain’s parliament has repeatedly rejected the exit deal Johnson’s predecessor Theresa May negotiated with the EU, and this month rejected leaving without a deal - angering many Britons who voted to leave the bloc more than three years ago.

 

Johnson has said he wants to negotiate a new deal that does not involve a ‘backstop’, which would potentially tie Britain against its will to EU rules after it leaves in order to avoid checks on the border between Ireland and Northern Ireland.

 

The EU has so far insisted on the backstop, and Britain has not presented any detailed alternative.

 

Nonetheless, Johnson said he was “very confident” ahead of a meeting with European Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker on Monday.

 

“There’s a very, very good conversation going on about how to address the issues of the Northern Irish border. A huge amount of progress is being made,” Johnson told the Mail on Sunday, without giving details.

 

Johnson drew parallels between Britain’s situation in Brexit talks and the frustrations felt by fictional scientist Bruce Banner, who when enraged turned into The Incredible Hulk, frequently leaving behind a trail of destruction.

 

“Banner might be bound in manacles, but when provoked he would explode out of them,” he said.

 

Earlier on Saturday, former Conservative minister Sam Gyimah said he was switching to the pro-EU Liberal Democrat party in protest at Johnson’s Brexit policies and political style.

 

Opinion polls late on Saturday painted a conflicting picture of the Conservative Party’s political fortunes under Johnson, who wants to hold an early election to regain a working majority in parliament.

 

A poll conducted by Opinium for the Observer newspaper showed Conservative support rose to 37% from 35% over the past week, while Jeremy Corbyn’s Labour held at 25% and Liberal Democrat support dropped to 16% from 17%. Support for Nigel Farage’s Brexit Party remained at 13%.

 

However, a separate poll by ComRes for the Sunday Express put Conservative support at just 28%, down from 30% and only a shade ahead of Labour at 27%.

 

ComRes said just 12% of the more than 2,000 people it survey thought Britain’s parliament could be trusted to do the right thing for the country.

 

Reporting by David Milliken; Editing by Chizu Nomiyama and Marguerita Choy

 

-- © Copyright Reuters 2019-09-15

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[z42]

An absolute delinquent, but what can realistically be done to break the impasse?

The EU heirachy have never atrempted to negotiate reasonably, and as such the UK must make something happen themselves or be bound to a ghastly deal which actually would make them worse off in the medium and long term.

 

Leave won the referendum first up, and if a second referendum was held why should it hold more weight? 

 

Trade aside i see few benefits of being in the EU

Edited September 15, 2019 by z42

[Bluespunk]

Big difference between Bruce Banner and johnson is Banner had a moral code and was trying to prevent the explosive violence of the hulk. 

 

He also realised the hulk was a mistake of his own making and sought a way to cure it, not make it worse. 

Edited September 15, 2019 by Bluespunk

[Monomial]

According to Bloomberg, he has now stated clearly that he intends to break the law and leave on the 31st, even without a deal.

 

Whether he will actually do this or not is still anyone's guess, but he definitely needs the EU to believe this is case if he hopes to win any concessions from them.

 

The second half of October should be very interesting, especially if the October 19 deadline passes and he really doesn't send the letter.  I suspect if there is a deal, it will be negotiated in those final days after Oct. 19.  High stakes game of chicken.

 

 

[vogie]

1 hour ago, Bluespunk said:

Big difference between Bruce Banner and johnson is Banner had a moral code and was trying to prevent the explosive violence of the hulk. 

 

He also realised the hulk was a mistake of his own making and sought a way to cure it, not make it worse. 

You do know that Bruce Banner was a fictional superhero, where-as Boris is the real McCoy.

[klauskunkel]

Another fictional character with a split personality is Dr. Jekyll/Mr. Hyde, and that one is homegrown btw...

[chickenslegs]

1 hour ago, Bluespunk said:

Big difference between Bruce Banner and johnson is Banner had a moral code and was trying to prevent the explosive violence of the hulk. 

 

He also realised the hulk was a mistake of his own making and sought a way to cure it, not make it worse. 

Another difference is that The Hulk always managed to keep his trousers on.

[Bluespunk]

40 minutes ago, vogie said:

You do know that Bruce Banner was a fictional superhero, where-as Boris is the real McCoy.

Yep, that's how bad it's gotten, all johnson has left is fictional characters with no basis in reality to boost his ego, bit like his no deal strategy...

Edited September 15, 2019 by Bluespunk

[Becker]

2 hours ago, z42 said:

An absolute delinquent, but what can realistically be done to break the impasse?

The EU heirachy have never atrempted to negotiate reasonably, and as such the UK must make something happen themselves or be bound to a ghastly deal which actually would make them worse off in the medium and long term.

 

Leave won the referendum first up, and if a second referendum was held why should it hold more weight? 

Because the people would actually know what they were voting for.

[nauseus]

But this is real...look:

 

[nauseus]

3 minutes ago, Becker said:

Because the people would actually know what they were voting for.

If you want to push that one then people also need to know what the EU will be like in 10 years or so.

[Becker]

12 minutes ago, nauseus said:

If you want to push that one then people also need to know what the EU will be like in 10 years or so.

No, that's not correct. Voters need to know what they're voting for at the moment they're voting, which clearly wasn't the case the first time around. Since no one is able to foresee the future that's all we can ask.

As an example none of those who's ever voted for BJ could foresee that he would turn into the Incredible (and not in a good way) Hulk.

 

[nauseus]

36 minutes ago, Becker said:

No, that's not correct. Voters need to know what they're voting for at the moment they're voting, which clearly wasn't the case the first time around. Since no one is able to foresee the future that's all we can ask.

As an example none of those who's ever voted for BJ could foresee that he would turn into the Incredible (and not in a good way) Hulk.

 

Rubbish.

[Basil B]

The only thing they have in common they are both freaks, sadly only one was fiction... 

 

well unless I wake up tomorrow and find myself 5 years younger and Brexit was just the worst nightmare anyone could have.

[welovesundaysatspace]

54 minutes ago, nauseus said:

If you want to push that one then people also need to know what the EU will be like in 10 years or so.

Because people knew what Leave would be like in 10 year or so? 

[Becker]

4 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Rubbish.

Well, now you completely convinced me...

[abrahamzvi]

3 hours ago, z42 said:

An absolute delinquent, but what can realistically be done to break the impasse?

The EU heirachy have never atrempted to negotiate reasonably, and as such the UK must make something happen themselves or be bound to a ghastly deal which actually would make them worse off in the medium and long term.

 

Leave won the referendum first up, and if a second referendum was held why should it hold more weight? 

 

Trade aside i see few benefits of being in the EU

To start with, it's incorrect to say that The EU hierarchy have never attempted to negotiate reasonably, it did. Otherwise, Mrs  may wouldn't have reached a deal, which was rejected by Westminster, with the EU.

To answer your question regarding a referendum, it will have more weight, as the voters now have a clearer picture of what Brexit entails. Further, I assume that both parties, Brexiteers and pro EU voters, will commit to adhere by the result of such a referendum.

 

[NoBrainer]

The EU is destroying itself from within. You only need to look at the Muslim Ghettos, popping up all over Europe.

 

France, Germany, & Scandinavia are already ruined. The few hold-outs like Italy & Austria are almost conquered.

 

Why does Britain need to be part of this catastrophe. It is almost too late to turn the ship around, before it will

be sunk under the crushing weight of out of control immigration.

 

The next generation may have to immigrate to Africa & the Middle East, to get away from this plague, as most of

their populations will have already taken over Europe & the UK.

 

It is a known fact that these people only have contempt for the infidel, and will not stop to destroy the western

way of life until their last breathe.

 

 

[Caldera]

Clearly off the trolley, the man.

 

[abrahamzvi]

3 hours ago, Monomial said:

According to Bloomberg, he has now stated clearly that he intends to break the law and leave on the 31st, even without a deal.

 

Whether he will actually do this or not is still anyone's guess, but he definitely needs the EU to believe this is case if he hopes to win any concessions from them.

 

The second half of October should be very interesting, especially if the October 19 deadline passes and he really doesn't send the letter.  I suspect if there is a deal, it will be negotiated in those final days after Oct. 19.  High stakes game of chicken.

 

 

The recent rumors are that Johnson will negotiate a deal which was offered to Mrs May by the EU last year, i.e. to leave Northern Ireland within a customs Union and have a theoretical boundary with the EU in the sea dividing the two islands. Johnson is apparently trying to convince the Irish Brexit supporters that that is the best possible deal. Also, some labour MPs are prepared to support such a deal. One must ask oneself why such a deal was not acceptable under May, and the answer is probably, that Mr. Johnson wanted to topple May and become PM, which he succeeded in doing

[nauseus]

5 minutes ago, Victornoir said:

In 10 years, the EU will be exactly what its nations will have decided.

Without you it will necessarily be different, probably more oriented to the east.

That is a non answer followed by a comment I don't understand. 

 

 

 

 

[tebee]

30 minutes ago, NoBrainer said:

The EU is destroying itself from within. You only need to look at the Muslim Ghettos, popping up all over Europe.

 

France, Germany, & Scandinavia are already ruined. The few hold-outs like Italy & Austria are almost conquered.

 

Why does Britain need to be part of this catastrophe. It is almost too late to turn the ship around, before it will

be sunk under the crushing weight of out of control immigration.

 

The next generation may have to immigrate to Africa & the Middle East, to get away from this plague, as most of

their populations will have already taken over Europe & the UK.

 

It is a known fact that these people only have contempt for the infidel, and will not stop to destroy the western

way of life until their last breathe.

 

 

Firstly I find your reference to  Muslim Ghettos racist  and sadly reminiscent of talk of Jewish ghettos in  the 1930s.

 

Secondly, how is this an EU problem ? The UK has had muslim  immigration from her colonies for over half a century and has more cities with a large Muslim population percentage than any other country in the EU. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_in_the_European_Union_by_Muslim_population. The 3 cities with the highest muslim population % are all in the England!

 

Maybe you've just made another argument for Scotland leaving the union !

 

 

 

 

Edited September 15, 2019 by tebee

[CaptainNemo]

3 hours ago, Monomial said:

According to Bloomberg, he has now stated clearly that he intends to break the law and leave on the 31st, even without a deal.

 

Whether he will actually do this or not is still anyone's guess, but he definitely needs the EU to believe this is case if he hopes to win any concessions from them.

 

The second half of October should be very interesting, especially if the October 19 deadline passes and he really doesn't send the letter.  I suspect if there is a deal, it will be negotiated in those final days after Oct. 19.  High stakes game of chicken.

 

 

He can comply with the letter of the law by sending the letter, word by word on many seperate sheets of paper in separate envelopes, and with each one, an accompanying letter saying that he doesn't want the extension and will obey the will of the people and the result of the referendum and leave on the 31st because Parliament refuses to hold an election.

 

If Parliament refuses to obey the will of the people, and refuses to hold a general election, then it has no legitimacy or credibility and all of its bogus "laws" pertaining to this matter should be openly ignored until Parliament is dissolved and a General Election is held.  How dare they vote against holding a General Election twice, so obviously so that they can ignore and subvert the will of the people and impose their will, the will of the minority. He can also write to the governments of countries like Poland and Hungary to ask them to veto any delay.

 

We need a new law for the public to force Parliament to hold a General Election and not hold the country hostage until they force us to give them a rigged second referemaindum.

 

4 hours ago, z42 said:

Leave won the referendum first up, and if a second referendum was held why should it hold more weight?

Legally it can't. The precedent is set that the referendum can only be advisory. If it was binding, it would be jusiticiable, because no referendum in British history has ever been binding, and the Remainiacs established the sovereignty of Parliament.

The objective of the Remainiac establishment appears to be to prolong the rotten parliament as long as possible, and to try and force a second referendum that will be skewed as much as possible to give Remain the best chance of winning, along with all the establishment media coverage, and there will inevitably be legal challenges of the terms of any imagined second (or is it third) referendum, that will drag it out even longer, doing even more harm to the economy, whilst the EU sinks into recession, and demands more money from the UK, and whilst China's economic crisis emerges, further affecting the existentially imperiled EU.

 

2 hours ago, Becker said:

Because the people would actually know what they were voting for.

 

2 hours ago, Becker said:

No, that's not correct. Voters need to know what they're voting for at the moment they're voting, which clearly wasn't the case the first time around. Since no one is able to foresee the future that's all we can ask.

As an example none of those who's ever voted for BJ could foresee that he would turn into the Incredible (and not in a good way) Hulk.

 

Voters never know what they are voting for, because voting is always a gamble (as you said "no one is able to foresee the future"), and politicians always say whatever they think will get them elected.

Look at the Lib Dems for example, they promised a generation no rises in tuition fees, and hey presto, they renaged on it, and all they could do was shrug.

 

EU archons are widely quoted as saying that it's important to not reveal what was really being voted for to the public of European and Atlantic states (the UK is not in Europe, it's an Atlantic island nation), because they would reject it.

 

You can see how in the 2016 Referendum the Brexaphobic media palpably influenced the result with propaganda, using a populist internet President and misreporting and politicising a mentally ill attack:

If the media wasn't so rabidly anti-Brexit the public might hear some objective factual reporting showing how the UK is already doing better than the EU economically, and none of the Project Fear stories have manifested, meanwhile Germany and Italy are sliding into recession with high levels of debt and concerns about their banks.

1 hour ago, Basil B said:

The only thing they have in common they are both freaks, sadly only one was fiction... 

 

well unless I wake up tomorrow and find myself 5 years younger and Brexit was just the worst nightmare anyone could have.

Hardly, the worst nightmare is remaining in the EU whilst Germany sinks into recession, and the Italian banks collapse, and the British public are left having to pay for it like Germany did for Greece: expensive.

[tebee]

3 hours ago, Monomial said:

According to Bloomberg, he has now stated clearly that he intends to break the law and leave on the 31st, even without a deal.

 

Whether he will actually do this or not is still anyone's guess, but he definitely needs the EU to believe this is case if he hopes to win any concessions from them.

 

The second half of October should be very interesting, especially if the October 19 deadline passes and he really doesn't send the letter.  I suspect if there is a deal, it will be negotiated in those final days after Oct. 19.  High stakes game of chicken.

 

 

But with all his antics he is normalizing a prime minister breaking the law and overriding the will of parliament - this is the road to dictatorship, don't let his destination being your preferred destination  blind you to the danger of this...  

 

A dictator is still a dictator even if he wears a clown  suit, not Nazi uniform 

 

 

[CaptainNemo]

23 minutes ago, tebee said:

Firstly I find your reference to  Muslim Ghettos racist  and sadly reminiscent of talk of Jewish ghettos in  the 1930s.

Islam is a belief system, not an ethnicity. If there is such a thing as "racism" or "race" (and because these terms lack a clear definition, it's difficult to say that they exist) then the concept is about hostility to people based on characteristics they can't change, but anyone can change their beliefs.

Referring to the 1930s looks like a gentle Ad Hominem invocation of Godwin's Law.

 

23 minutes ago, tebee said:

Secondly, how is this an EU problem ?

Do you mean, how is it a problem? or how is it a problem that's the responsibility of the EU?

23 minutes ago, tebee said:

 

The UK has had muslim  immigration from her colonies for over half a century and has more cities with a large Muslim population percentage than any other country in the EU. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_in_the_European_Union_by_Muslim_population. The 3 cities with the highest muslim population % are all in the England!

It's not clear what point you are trying to make. The person you are responding to appeared to be making a point about the quality of life being reduced in Europe due to recent mass immigration. They may be referring to when Angela Merkel subverted the Dublin treaty on refugees and undermined national immigration laws to help illegal economic migrants and human traffickers abuse the Syrian refugee crisis to gain access to EU states, when had they followed the legal procedures they may have been rejected.

Once they arrived, numerous public order offences were widely reported and attributed to them, whilst millions of genuine refugees continued to languish in and around Syria.

23 minutes ago, tebee said:

Maybe you've just made another argument for Scotland leaving the union !

Scotland would be in economic crisis following the collapse of the oil price, have you been to Aberdeen recently? The people of Scotland wisely rejected the populist demagoguery of Nationalism there.

[CaptainNemo]

7 minutes ago, tebee said:

But with all his antics he is normalizing a prime minister breaking the law and overriding the will of parliament - this is the road to dictatorship, don't let his destination being your preferred destination  blind you to the danger of this...  

 

A dictator is still a dictator even if he wears a clown  suit, not Nazi uniform 

 

 

Laws of themselves can be unlawful. Many dictatorships use wrongful "laws" to assert power.

Parliament is the dictator here, as they refuse to hold a General Election, which Boris has asked for twice... he can't be much of a dictator if he wants a General Election that he could lose.

[Baerboxer]

2 hours ago, nauseus said:

If you want to push that one then people also need to know what the EU will be like in 10 years or so.

 

And they would also need to know what the UK, in or out will be like in 10 years or so.

 

And as Brexiters constantly carp, no one can predict the future; just best guesses.

[candide]

53 minutes ago, Victornoir said:

In 10 years, the EU will be exactly what its nations will have decided.

Without you it will necessarily be different, probably more oriented to the east.

Also maybe less focused on free market and liberal economics ideology, as it has been the main influence of UK on EU policy. I hope industrial policy will play a more significant role.

[Baerboxer]

14 minutes ago, CaptainNemo said:

Laws of themselves can be unlawful. Many dictatorships use wrongful "laws" to assert power.

Parliament is the dictator here, as they refuse to hold a General Election, which Boris has asked for twice... he can't be much of a dictator if he wants a General Election that he could lose.

 

Hogwash!

 

Parliament is the sovereign body that makes laws. PM's and their governments are accountable to parliament and are most certainly not above the law.

 

A law isn't bad or good based on whether you happen to like it!

 

He has expressed his wish for a GE, which parliament, whose decision it is, rejected because they don't trust him. He's now threatening to break the law. Hope he enjoys porridge!

Edited September 15, 2019 by Baerboxer

[Baerboxer]

30 minutes ago, CaptainNemo said:

He can comply with the letter of the law by sending the letter, word by word on many seperate sheets of paper in separate envelopes, and with each one, an accompanying letter saying that he doesn't want the extension and will obey the will of the people and the result of the referendum and leave on the 31st because Parliament refuses to hold an election.

 

If Parliament refuses to obey the will of the people, and refuses to hold a general election, then it has no legitimacy or credibility and all of its bogus "laws" pertaining to this matter should be openly ignored until Parliament is dissolved and a General Election is held.  How dare they vote against holding a General Election twice, so obviously so that they can ignore and subvert the will of the people and impose their will, the will of the minority. He can also write to the governments of countries like Poland and Hungary to ask them to veto any delay.

 

We need a new law for the public to force Parliament to hold a General Election and not hold the country hostage until they force us to give them a rigged second referemaindum.

 

Legally it can't. The precedent is set that the referendum can only be advisory. If it was binding, it would be jusiticiable, because no referendum in British history has ever been binding, and the Remainiacs established the sovereignty of Parliament.

The objective of the Remainiac establishment appears to be to prolong the rotten parliament as long as possible, and to try and force a second referendum that will be skewed as much as possible to give Remain the best chance of winning, along with all the establishment media coverage, and there will inevitably be legal challenges of the terms of any imagined second (or is it third) referendum, that will drag it out even longer, doing even more harm to the economy, whilst the EU sinks into recession, and demands more money from the UK, and whilst China's economic crisis emerges, further affecting the existentially imperiled EU.

 

 

Voters never know what they are voting for, because voting is always a gamble (as you said "no one is able to foresee the future"), and politicians always say whatever they think will get them elected.

Look at the Lib Dems for example, they promised a generation no rises in tuition fees, and hey presto, they renaged on it, and all they could do was shrug.

 

EU archons are widely quoted as saying that it's important to not reveal what was really being voted for to the public of European and Atlantic states (the UK is not in Europe, it's an Atlantic island nation), because they would reject it.

 

You can see how in the 2016 Referendum the Brexaphobic media palpably influenced the result with propaganda, using a populist internet President and misreporting and politicising a mentally ill attack:

If the media wasn't so rabidly anti-Brexit the public might hear some objective factual reporting showing how the UK is already doing better than the EU economically, and none of the Project Fear stories have manifested, meanwhile Germany and Italy are sliding into recession with high levels of debt and concerns about their banks.

Hardly, the worst nightmare is remaining in the EU whilst Germany sinks into recession, and the Italian banks collapse, and the British public are left having to pay for it like Germany did for Greece: expensive.

 

I gave up after the first two paragraphs. The nonsense and lack of actual knowledge in your posts is astounding but quickly becomes boring.

 

Do some research on the laws appertaining to the subject before making silly suggestions about them!