EU warns Britain heading for a no-deal Brexit

[Jip99]

7 minutes ago, zorrow424 said:

It does appear the splendid Brexiteers  and the irush  are as one on backstop,what a completely  and useful tool for Boris ,one he could not have dreamed of at start of his premiership,wonderful achievement Boris,hoping many people keep on congratulating him,a marvelous achievement.

   Now The Daily Telegraph did state the "useful idiots" and by golly its proved to be,now just a smooth ride down to exit day  clean cut, no deal,what a marvellous achievement, Well done Boris

 

 

Sarcasm isn’t your strong suit, is it ?

 

 

(rhetorical, despite the question mark)

[SheungWan]

Third time lucky. And I have a different Registrar this time, one who isn't trying to trick me into still being wedded to the EU monster, but handing me an annulment paper that the ex-doesn't recognize and still wants my money under her rules.
The laws of probability are on my side this time.

There is no law and no-deal odds poor, not to mention Sterling signalling otherwise.

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[SheungWan]

It seems this time people like you will not stop Brexit..

It seems nothing.

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[zorrow424]

Just now, SheungWan said:

There is no law and no-deal odds poor, not to mention Sterling signalling otherwise.

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No deal odds are soaring,you on about sterling again?  lol   I would concentrate your efforts now on obtaining UK visa if any connections there,they will be in short supply

   You must allow UK its time to congratulate,wonderful achievement,truly a moment to savor

[SheungWan]

We are going, then you can relax chum....

Going nowhere currently.

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[SheungWan]

No deal odds are soaring,you on about sterling again?  lol   I would concentrate your efforts now on obtaining UK visa if any connections there,they will be in short supply
   You must allow UK its time to congratulate,wonderful achievement,truly a moment to savor

You can lol as much as you wish. No-deal Brexit now 7/2. Maybe change your Hard Brexit website for something better.

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[Scott]

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[Loiner]

There is no law and no-deal odds poor, not to mention Sterling signalling otherwise.

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No Deal odds are getting better by the day. Sterling does not define or decide what will happen in the future.

[SheungWan]

No Deal odds are getting better by the day. Sterling does not define or decide what will happen in the future.

No-deal not happening is 1/4. Getting better? [emoji1782]

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[Loiner]

No-deal not happening is 1/4. Getting better? [emoji1782]

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Are you getting those from the same bookies who told you that the referendum would be won by Remain?

[oldhippy]

I was wondering.

If half the UK voted brexit, there sure must be someone that does not belong to the (extreme) right, that wanted brexit?

I would like to hear his arguments for brexit. I would be very interested.

Or is brexit, and especially this tread, taken over by the (extreme) right?

[Loiner]

If there is one thing Hard Brexiteer followers have difficulty understanding (or rather dismiss as it doesn't chime with their nationalist nostrums) is legal first principles as it applies to contracts. Contractual obligation. They are always the guys who, whether with mortgages, home, car and travel insurance, get irritated by the small print.

Show me that small print.

[Loiner]

...'er what was I saying about the average Brexiteer not understanding contract law? Lo and behold one comes along and treads in it. [emoji1782]

What was I saying about the small print? There isn’t any is there?
We don’t owe them anything.

[zorrow424]

3 hours ago, oldhippy said:

I was wondering.

If half the UK voted brexit, there sure must be someone that does not belong to the (extreme) right, that wanted brexit?

I would like to hear his arguments for brexit. I would be very interested.

Or is brexit, and especially this tread, taken over by the (extreme) right?

"Extreme right"   far from it,just middle of the road.

 UK is going, no two ways on that,out of EU  cannot be stopped,extreme left may try,but will fail

  Aliens,or will be after 31 October will have to leave the UK pretty smartish,put up the buntings no more dictatorship from EU

   Visa issues will have to be addressed pretty quickly too,British embassies will have required documentation,but first come,first served will be in evidence,better to start queuing now

[SheungWan]

One of the advantages of a negotiated settlement with the EU is that the transition is managed, both in terms of the divorce settlement and future trade agreement. No-deal flying over the cliff not only fails on both accounts but leaves both hanging in the air unresolved. Having a shambles at the ports would just be the beginning of the nonsense. All members of the EU enter into contractual responsibility for their share of commitments entered into going forward and leaving prior to agreed commitments does not void those commitments particularly if transition arrangements have not been agreed. Nothing to stop the UK effectively defaulting on its prior commitments which it is threatening to do, but the implications for contractual liability in the future will suffer from the bad overhang and suffer a negative expense. The implied small print of what it means to take on contractual obligations will quickly assume large print consequences, but since the average Brexiteer is economically illiterate, the cult will simply not care. Down is up.

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[luckyluke]

13 hours ago, Loiner said:

the EU monster

Oppose to the U.K. delusion of grandeur.

 

Of course both opinions.

[zorrow424]

6 minutes ago, SheungWan said:

One of the advantages of a negotiated settlement with the EU is that the transition is managed, both in terms of the divorce settlement and future trade agreement. No-deal flying over the cliff not only fails on both accounts but leaves both hanging in the air unresolved. Having a shambles at the ports would just be the beginning of the nonsense. All members of the EU enter into contractual responsibility for their share of commitments entered into going forward and leaving prior to agreed commitments does not void those commitments particularly if transition arrangements have not been agreed. Nothing to stop the UK effectively defaulting on its prior commitments which it is threatening to do, but the implications for contractual liability in the future will suffer from the bad overhang and suffer a negative expense. The implied small print of what it means to take on contractual obligations will quickly assume large print consequences, but since the average Brexiteer is economically illiterate, the cult will simply not care. Down is up.

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Show the "small print"...no "small print"? not just "economically illiterate" but totally

 

  Out is out   by jove it feels good

[luckyluke]

7 minutes ago, zorrow424 said:

Out is out   by jove it feels good

 

Tell us, citizens of the E.U., about it.

[zorrow424]

2 minutes ago, luckyluke said:

 

Tell us, citizens of the E.U., about it.

Just have to carry on as before,no UK though,but there will not be any EU for much longer either.

  Was always Germany,Germany dominated the EU,operated and manufactured under a cheap currency (for them) if operating under D. Mark,just like Thailand stymied. Finished now,but admit it,Boris was and is truly wonderful,delivering us from that monster ,the EU

[DannyCarlton]

16 minutes ago, zorrow424 said:

Finished now,but admit it,Boris was and is truly wonderful,delivering us from that monster ,the EU

Sorry did I miss something? Lat time I checked, we were still in the EU. We were supposed to leave in March but it didn't happen. Shorter odds on Johnson losing his premiership than us leaving on October 31st.

[vogie]

Just now, SheungWan said:

One of the advantages of a negotiated settlement with the EU is that the transition is managed, both in terms of the divorce settlement and future trade agreement. No-deal flying over the cliff not only fails on both accounts but leaves both hanging in the air unresolved. Having a shambles at the ports would just be the beginning of the nonsense. All members of the EU enter into contractual responsibility for their share of commitments entered into going forward and leaving prior to agreed commitments does not void those commitments particularly if transition arrangements have not been agreed. Nothing to stop the UK effectively defaulting on its prior commitments which it is threatening to do, but the implications for contractual liability in the future will suffer from the bad overhang and suffer a negative expense. The implied small print of what it means to take on contractual obligations will quickly assume large print consequences, but since the average Brexiteer is economically illiterate, the cult will simply not care. Down is up.

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"Having a shambles at the ports would just be the beginning of the nonsense."

 

But if you listen to the people that run or have ran the ports, there will be no "shambles" even in the event of a no deal scenario. We have been lied to from day one by remainers who wish to remain in the EU and will invent any old excuse to acheive there goal.

 

 

 

[luckyluke]

Just now, zorrow424 said:

Just have to carry on as before,no UK though,but there will not be any EU for much longer either.

 

1 minute ago, zorrow424 said:

delivering us from that monster ,the EU

Always interesting to read opinions.

 

According to me (thus in fact a personal opinion ) ;

 

The E.U. doesn't stop the UK. to leave the E.U..

 

Through Brexit the U.K. is actually a divided country.

 

Once the U.K. internal problems are fixed, the U.K. will leave the E.U,. different dates have been announced in the past, it seems that it will be now the 31 October, will see if this date is now the correct one.

 

The E.U. will lose an important member ( not only financial ).

 

The E.U. being pragmatic, it has certainly already calculated this depart ( They know since 2016 }.

 

Will Brexit have an influence on the daily life of the E.U. citizens?

 

I don't know as per today.

 

I do know, that now the E.U., as it is, don't.

 

[DannyCarlton]

1 minute ago, zorrow424 said:

Uks hands tied for too long by EU,reading reports tramps ,beggars , EU criminals roaming free range in UK cannot deport.  Three and half million EU living in UK most will be on welfare,pitched out firstly,those damned irash tinkers that blight the UK pitched out too,not just Brexit but whole host of reasons,but Brexit brought it all on,what a wonderful,a truly remarkable co-incidence

Is English your first language?

[luckyluke]

Rude?  vulgar?  not a bit of it,just read some of the infants past quotes,but then you are all in the same camp. Never mind  D Day cometh  ,that is ND Day  looking forward to it   are you not?  lol

D-Day will (maybe) come,
one day.

Many of us, European citizens , hope it will be the 31 October.

Now if in the U.K. they would be able to finally fix their intern feud, it could be indeed the 31/10.

But so far,no guarantee, only words.

Vague statements by some, which not impress anymore.

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[sandyf]

On 9/18/2019 at 11:28 PM, Forethat said:

I regularly work at Government offices around Whitehall and other locations. I am not a politician. I am not an official. I am an external SME.

 

You're not familiar with government organisations, that's obvious.

 

I have given you more information than what is required for the purpose of this discussion. Let's leave it there in order to keep to the rules of the forum.

And it is fairly obvious that you are not familiar with the standards that existed in the UK prior to the EU.

You probably think that people were joking when it was said that it took 10 years to get a standard amended.

The EU did more for standards in a decade than the UK ever did in a century.

[sandyf]

On 9/20/2019 at 1:37 PM, Loiner said:

Take it to arbitration.
In a proper court, not your Mickey Mouse ECJ which is another major Leave reason.

For obvious reasons that could never be the case. The EU have already stated that any problem over the financial settlement will be referred to the court in the Hague.

[sandyf]

4 hours ago, vogie said:

"Having a shambles at the ports would just be the beginning of the nonsense."

 

But if you listen to the people that run or have ran the ports, there will be no "shambles" even in the event of a no deal scenario. We have been lied to from day one by remainers who wish to remain in the EU and will invent any old excuse to acheive there goal.

 

You are obviously free to believe anything you like but I do not believe that the guy speaking is old enough to have been involved in port management when tariffs were in place. Sounds like he is talking from the theoretical point of view rather than reality.

I have personally taken goods through Dover when tariffs were in place and aware of the procedure and paperwork involved.

He tried to shrug off the paperwork issue but it does not matter where the paperwork is checked if it is not right then the vehicle will be delayed. It is a bit irrelevant if the food etc heading for the UK is held up at Calais or 50 miles from Calais, it is still held up.

The other thing he did not mention is fraud. Currently without tariffs there is no incentive for fraud but the introduction of tariffs will tempt exporters to change product classification to try and get a lower tariff. This will lead to increased customs checks on vehicles leaving and entering the country. Again there is no reason why this cannot be done away from the ports in the UK using customs seals, only a question of resources.

There is no dispute that congestion can be taken away from the ports but it does not remove the delays that will result from the introduction of a tariff regime. It is the delays that are the main concern both for shortages and those on JIT.

[Forethat]

1 hour ago, sandyf said:

And it is fairly obvious that you are not familiar with the standards that existed in the UK prior to the EU.

You probably think that people were joking when it was said that it took 10 years to get a standard amended.

The EU did more for standards in a decade than the UK ever did in a century.

Come again?

Eeehh?

Yes....?

[transam]

2 hours ago, sandyf said:

And it is fairly obvious that you are not familiar with the standards that existed in the UK prior to the EU.

You probably think that people were joking when it was said that it took 10 years to get a standard amended.

The EU did more for standards in a decade than the UK ever did in a century.

Tripe......

[SheungWan]

Show the "small print"...no "small print"? not just "economically illiterate" but totally
 
  Out is out   by jove it feels good

We remember the same premature self-congratulations leading up to March 29. As for breaking obligations with a no-deal crash, any post-Brexit negotiations are based on no-deal happening. Right now the odds are way less than 50%. Even Boris is not publicly advocating such. Only the Brexit Party and UKIP crazies.

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