EU warns Britain heading for a no-deal Brexit

[oldhippy]

7 hours ago, zorrow424 said:

"Extreme right"   far from it,just middle of the road.

 UK is going, no two ways on that,out of EU  cannot be stopped,extreme left may try,but will fail

  Aliens,or will be after 31 October will have to leave the UK pretty smartish,put up the buntings no more dictatorship from EU

   Visa issues will have to be addressed pretty quickly too,British embassies will have required documentation,but first come,first served will be in evidence,better to start queuing now

I was hoping for a usefull answer to my question.

In my kitchen I already have a bucket full of garbage.

[transam]

5 minutes ago, SheungWan said:

We remember the same premature self-congratulations leading up to March 29. As for breaking obligations with a no-deal crash, any post-Brexit negotiations are based on no-deal happening. Right now the odds are way less than 50%. Even Boris is not publicly advocating such. Only the Brexit Party and UKIP crazies.

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Never mind, you will soon have to search for another topic to dribble over....

[SheungWan]

"Having a shambles at the ports would just be the beginning of the nonsense."
 
But if you listen to the people that run or have ran the ports, there will be no "shambles" even in the event of a no deal scenario. We have been lied to from day one by remainers who wish to remain in the EU and will invent any old excuse to acheive there goal.
 
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Without no-deal there will either be a soft transition or business as usual. Hopefully Parliament will block no-deal and the Hard Brexiteer driving off the cliff will be avoided. Sterling is down enough already..

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[DannyCarlton]

2 minutes ago, transam said:

Never mind, you will soon have to search for another topic to dribble over....

I'm sure there'll be another one running soon, "Expat pensioners of the world unite, Remainer traitors have robbed us of our democracy." Will probably run until all the expat pensioners have died off.

[SheungWan]

"Extreme right"   far from it,just middle of the road.
 UK is going, no two ways on that,out of EU  cannot be stopped,extreme left may try,but will fail
  Aliens,or will be after 31 October will have to leave the UK pretty smartish,put up the buntings no more dictatorship from EU
   Visa issues will have to be addressed pretty quickly too,British embassies will have required documentation,but first come,first served will be in evidence,better to start queuing now

That's a hoot, trying to paint the Conspiracy wearing Hard Brexiteers as middle of the road. And on the other side Labour Party loons suggesting they are doing the same. What both sides are united by, however, is reserving a special venom for those who actually are politically in the middle.

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[transam]

7 minutes ago, DannyCarlton said:

I'm sure there'll be another one running soon, "Expat pensioners of the world unite, Remainer traitors have robbed us of our democracy." Will probably run until all the expat pensioners have died off.

Really, how interesting........

[SheungWan]

I'm sure there'll be another one running soon, "Expat pensioners of the world unite, Remainer traitors have robbed us of our democracy." Will probably run until all the expat pensioners have died off.

Meanwhile they are cared for by EU and other nationalities nurses in the NHS who the Brexiteers would like to kick out. Beware what you wish for comes to mind.

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[Forethat]

4 minutes ago, SheungWan said:

Meanwhile they are cared for by EU and other nationalities nurses in the NHS who the Brexiteers would like to kick out. Beware what you wish for comes to mind.

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Please provide som more info on this. 

 

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[keithsimmonds]

12 minutes ago, SheungWan said:

Meanwhile they are cared for by EU and other nationalities nurses in the NHS who the Brexiteers would like to kick out. Beware what you wish for comes to mind.

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Yet more spin from......Shane warne.

[Jip99]

8 minutes ago, SheungWan said:

Meanwhile they are cared for by EU and other nationalities nurses in the NHS who the Brexiteers would like to kick out. Beware what you wish for comes to mind.

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Absolute rubbish.

 

Don’t confuse Brexiteers with the likes of Britain First.

 

The UK will always have a need for immigrant workers whether it be West Indian bus drivers, Indian shopkeepers, Phillipino nurses, Polish lorry drivers/fruit pickers etc.

 

Controlled immigration and access to public funds is what needs managing.

 

Project Fear remainers are the ones causing some (NHS) staff to relocate, by claiming they are not welcome. The government needs to make it crystal clear that they are indeed welcome....... it is never too difficult to target immigration in specific skill areas.

[Jip99]

1 minute ago, keithsimmonds said:

Yet more spin from......Shane warne.

 

 

Desperate words in desperate times for remainers; once again they realise they are losing.

[transam]

19 minutes ago, SheungWan said:

Meanwhile they are cared for by EU and other nationalities nurses in the NHS who the Brexiteers would like to kick out. Beware what you wish for comes to mind.

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Stupid post....But quite normal from you.....

[Loiner]

8 hours ago, SheungWan said:

All members of the EU enter into contractual responsibility for their share of commitments entered into going forward and leaving

Where does any agreement of joining the EU or predecessors say this?

 

8 hours ago, SheungWan said:

Nothing to stop the UK effectively defaulting on its prior commitments

There were no prior commitments, so no default 

 

7 hours ago, vogie said:

The implied small print of what it means to take on contractual obligations

Implied small print? 55555 Contractual obligations are written. Absent from even small print (this is not a HP agreement) means they are not there and not obligations.

 

8 hours ago, SheungWan said:

since the average Brexiteer is economically illiterate, the cult will simply not care.

But more contractually literate than the below average Remainer. Which puts us contractually correct, not owing nowt, and simply not caring. 

 

8 hours ago, SheungWan said:

Down is up.

It may well be for you. Now, fess up that you made it all up. Remainer ball licks.

[vogie]

Just now, sandyf said:

You are obviously free to believe anything you like but I do not believe that the guy speaking is old enough to have been involved in port management when tariffs were in place. Sounds like he is talking from the theoretical point of view rather than reality.

I have personally taken goods through Dover when tariffs were in place and aware of the procedure and paperwork involved.

He tried to shrug off the paperwork issue but it does not matter where the paperwork is checked if it is not right then the vehicle will be delayed. It is a bit irrelevant if the food etc heading for the UK is held up at Calais or 50 miles from Calais, it is still held up.

The other thing he did not mention is fraud. Currently without tariffs there is no incentive for fraud but the introduction of tariffs will tempt exporters to change product classification to try and get a lower tariff. This will lead to increased customs checks on vehicles leaving and entering the country. Again there is no reason why this cannot be done away from the ports in the UK using customs seals, only a question of resources.

There is no dispute that congestion can be taken away from the ports but it does not remove the delays that will result from the introduction of a tariff regime. It is the delays that are the main concern both for shortages and those on JIT.

You know how old a man is just by listening to him and young men don't get good positions, your speculative knowledge is beyond reproach, I bow to your imagination.

 

[Loiner]

4 hours ago, sandyf said:

For obvious reasons that could never be the case. The EU have already stated that any problem over the financial settlement will be referred to the court in the Hague.

If that really is the case, they could take us there when we do not pay any of the 39Bn they are not entitled to.
I would still check that though, because I had the distinct impression from the Merkel/May Surrender Treaty that any dispute had to be taken to their own tame euro-courts. That was the case for most other legal dispute and one of the reasons for not accepting their terms of surrender. I haven't got time right now, but will Team Remainer care to support this? 

[7by7]

17 hours ago, zorrow424 said:

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I would concentrate your efforts now on obtaining UK visa if any connections there,they will be in short supply

 

What on Earth are you blathering on about? All you are doing is showing that you know nothing about the UK visa regime!

 

Your glaring error is saying that UK visas will be in short supply. The UK does not operate a quota system for any category of visa.

 

UK visas and the rules concerning their issue are not and never have been within the purview of the EU. Like all other EU/EEA members the UK sets it own immigration rules and regulations and determines how to apply those rules. Applications for UK visas are assessed by employees of UKVI, a division of the Home Office, not EU officials.

 

If we leave the EU then it's virtually certain that we will leave the FoM directive as well. Therefore EU/EEA and Swiss nationals will need the appropriate visa to enter the UK; and British nationals will need the appropriate visa to enter those countries.

 

As far as the UK is concerned, I suspect that EU/EEA and Swiss nationals will be treated like, for example, Americans and Australians as non visa nationals. This means that they will not need to obtain a visa to enter the UK as visitors for up to 6 months, but will need one to enter the UK for any other purpose. However, I suspect that, like all non-visa nationals, they will find these relatively easy to obtain.

 

As for us UK nationals wishing to enter a EU/EEA member or Switzerland, I see no reason why we would not be treated the same as similar non members such as the USA. No visa required for a stay of up to 90 days for tourism or business; visa required for other purposes and longer stays.

[oldhippy]

39 minutes ago, Jip99 said:

 

Absolute rubbish.

 

Don’t confuse Brexiteers with the likes of Britain First.

 

The UK will always have a need for immigrant workers whether it be West Indian bus drivers, Indian shopkeepers, Phillipino nurses, Polish lorry drivers/fruit pickers etc.

 

Controlled immigration and access to public funds is what needs managing.

 

Project Fear remainers are the ones causing some (NHS) staff to relocate, by claiming they are not welcome. The government needs to make it crystal clear that they are indeed welcome....... it is never too difficult to target immigration in specific skill areas.

QUOTE: Don’t confuse Brexiteers with the likes of Britain First.

 

Easy mistake to make, when reading TV forum threads obout brexit.

[Forethat]

3 minutes ago, Loiner said:

If that really is the case, they could take us there when we do not pay any of the 39Bn they are not entitled to.
I would still check that though, because I had the distinct impression from the Merkel/May Surrender Treaty that any dispute had to be taken to their own tame euro-courts. That was the case for most other legal dispute and one of the reasons for not accepting their terms of surrender. I haven't got time right now, but will Team Remainer care to support this? 

This matter will most likely be settled by the ICJ in case of a No Deal Brexit and a UK refusal to pay the alleged settlement fee.

https://www.icj-cij.org/en 

[DannyCarlton]

1 minute ago, Forethat said:

This matter will most likely be settled by the ICJ in case of a No Deal Brexit and a UK refusal to pay the alleged settlement fee.

https://www.icj-cij.org/en 

Absolutely, and as the EU made major concessions when negotiating the divorce bill, not only will the ICJ undobtedly find in the EU's favour but expect the divorce bill to be sustantially increased. It would be wise of the UK to settle out of court by agreeing to pay the original 39bn.

[7by7]

On 9/18/2019 at 5:11 PM, Forethat said:

I am not a UK official. I am an external SME.

 

Spontaneous Music Ensemble?

 

Socialist Market Economy?

 

I suspect, though, that you mean a Subject Matter Expert. 

 

But whatever, are you sure that posting information gleaned via your contract with the Brexit Department on an open internet forum is not against your contract? It would be were you a proper civil servant who had signed the Official Secrets Act! Especially if your were, as claimed in another thread, doing so via a government ISP.

 

Excuse me while I go and watch the flock of pigs flying past my window.

 

 

[transam]

11 minutes ago, oldhippy said:

QUOTE: Don’t confuse Brexiteers with the likes of Britain First.

 

Easy mistake to make, when reading TV forum threads obout brexit.

Well it seems remainers do think like that Pike....

[7by7]

15 minutes ago, transam said:

27 minutes ago, oldhippy said:

QUOTE: Don’t confuse Brexiteers with the likes of Britain First.

 

Easy mistake to make, when reading TV forum threads obout brexit.

Well it seems remainers do think like that Pike....

 You can never have read posts from the likes of @Loiner, @zorrow424 and others.

 

Hang on; you've 'liked' many of them!

[candide]

The good thing is that, as time went by, the remaining amount to be paid has already decreased, and will be around 32b at the end of October.

Why not remain until the end of 2020 and keep the full benefits of membership, as the fee will be paid anyway? ????

[Forethat]

24 minutes ago, DannyCarlton said:

Absolutely, and as the EU made major concessions when negotiating the divorce bill, not only will the ICJ undobtedly find in the EU's favour but expect the divorce bill to be sustantially increased. It would be wise of the UK to settle out of court by agreeing to pay the original 39bn.

Looks like a brilliant analysis, right there. I say you have a great future in law!

[oldhippy]

4 minutes ago, candide said:

The good thing is that, as time went by, the remaining amount to be paid has already decreased, and will be around 32b at the end of October.

Why not remain until the end of 2020 and keep the full benefits of membership, as the fee will be paid anyway? ????

Easy to answer that question.

 

Brexit has nothing to do with economics or money or common sense.

Brexit is about extreem nationalism that got out of hand.

Cameron is responsible for letting the genie out of the bottle - but anyway, Europe should have listened to general De Gaulle: NON NON NON.

[oldhippy]

13 minutes ago, Forethat said:

Looks like a brilliant analysis, right there. I say you have a great future in law!

Are you posting again from a government computer during an assignment?

Don't worry, I will not snitch on you, though surely your government and the UK taxpayers would be very interested.

 

(PS. I feel an analogy coming in your reply...)

 

[Forethat]

5 minutes ago, oldhippy said:

Easy to answer that question.

 

Brexit has nothing to do with economics or money or common sense.

Brexit is about extreem nationalism that got out of hand.

Cameron is responsible for letting the genie out of the bottle - but anyway, Europe should have listened to general De Gaulle: NON NON NON.

Try "reluctance to be part of a federation advocating centralised power and eradication of sovereign nation states".

[7by7]

7 minutes ago, Forethat said:

Try "reluctance to be part of a federation advocating centralised power and eradication of sovereign nation states".

 

Where is the EU advocating that?

 

The EU, not individual politicians.

 

Maybe you're another Brexiteer who's fallen for the internet lies about the Lisbon Treaty?

 

If so, that's rather worrying in someone who claims to be advising the government!

[oldhippy]

18 minutes ago, Forethat said:

Try "reluctance to be part of a federation advocating centralised power and eradication of sovereign nation states".

For once we agree!!!

 

Time for Scotland, Wales, and the Occupied Territories of Northern Ireland to shake off the shackles of the UK.

 

Next: time for The Isle of Skye to shake off the shackles of Scotland.

Next next: time for the isle of skye countryside to shake of the shackles of Portree.

 

[candide]

9 minutes ago, Forethat said:

Try "reluctance to be part of a federation advocating centralised power and eradication of sovereign nation states".

Just curious. Where have you read this 'federation' advocating what you claim it has? I mean by EU institutions such as the EC or the Council?