Fury of Brexit 'inferno' lays bare a divided United Kingdom

[Chomper Higgot]

9 minutes ago, transam said:

There are probably the same nutters in the remain camp that may keep quiet eh...?

It has been my life experience that folk who talk threats are exactly that, talkers...You should worry about the quiet ones...

The police, CPC and court juries take a different view.

[transam]

2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The police, CPC and court juries take a different view.

That is the system in the UK, OTT....

[sandyf]

The reality of the divided brexit Britain, hardly something to be proud of.

 

As a crucial Brexit battle comes to a head in British parliament on Wednesday, MPs are weighing up not just their own views but also their personal safety amid an increasingly toxic public debate.

Pro-EU lawmakers challenging the government’s Brexit strategy have received repeated death threats, and at least one MP recently decided not to rebel on a bill for fear of reprisals.

https://www.scmp.com/news/world/europe/article/2151614/death-threats-against-pro-eu-british-mps-becoming-routine-toxic

 

The daughter of Labour MP Yvette Cooper and former shadow chancellor Ed Balls says she constantly fears for her mum’s life because of the way people talk about politicians. Ellie Cooper accused Boris Johnson of ‘using language that helps incite violence towards MPs’ and called for him to take responsibility for his rhetoric.

 

Read more: https://metro.co.uk/2019/09/26/daughter-yvette-cooper-scared-every-single-day-since-jo-cox-murder-10816198/?ito=cbshare

 

[Airbagwill]

41 minutes ago, sandyf said:

A far-right activist and Brexit supporter

Who in their right mind would want to be on the same side as this guy?

 

Take away the hard right from Brexit and what do you have left? Just a few gullible jingoists and some nostalgia freaks

Edited September 28, 2019 by Airbagwill

[vogie]

6 minutes ago, sandyf said:

The reality of the divided brexit Britain, hardly something to be proud of.

 

As a crucial Brexit battle comes to a head in British parliament on Wednesday, MPs are weighing up not just their own views but also their personal safety amid an increasingly toxic public debate.

Pro-EU lawmakers challenging the government’s Brexit strategy have received repeated death threats, and at least one MP recently decided not to rebel on a bill for fear of reprisals.

https://www.scmp.com/news/world/europe/article/2151614/death-threats-against-pro-eu-british-mps-becoming-routine-toxic

 

The daughter of Labour MP Yvette Cooper and former shadow chancellor Ed Balls says she constantly fears for her mum’s life because of the way people talk about politicians. Ellie Cooper accused Boris Johnson of ‘using language that helps incite violence towards MPs’ and called for him to take responsibility for his rhetoric.

 

Read more: https://metro.co.uk/2019/09/26/daughter-yvette-cooper-scared-every-single-day-since-jo-cox-murder-10816198/?ito=cbshare

 

So are you saying that these arguements are the reserve of the Brexiteers, because if you are you are so wrong.

These are the real fascists.

 

[NanLaew]

16 hours ago, bannork said:

But 63 % didn't vote to leave. So the minority who want to leave should leave, leave the UK.

Migrate to East Yorkshire, appoint Geoffrey Boycott as president for life and start their own country- Brexitland. Most of them are OAPs and would enjoy walking along the promenade at Bridlington, taking in that oh so bracing North Sea wind.

And while you're at it, never miss the opportunity to throw out the tired old, white-racist, wife-beating mysoginist, poorly educated Brexiteer voter trope.

[NanLaew]

4 minutes ago, vogie said:

So are you saying that these arguements are the reserve of the Brexiteers, because if you are you are so wrong.

These are the real fascists.

 

I wonder what part of Great Britain that pumped-up wee gobshyte hails from?

[NanLaew]

40 minutes ago, DannyCarlton said:

My wife is from Leeds and prior to retiring to Thailand, used to visit often. great town centre. Kirkgate market should be listed. The finest market in the country.

 

However, I was raised and went to school in a Yorkshire pit village. My father was openly referred to as "the dirty foreigner" and I was refered to, at school, as "the son of the dirty foreigner". The most racist people I've ever come across. They eventually drove us out and the family returned to Lancashire, where we never again were subject to racist abuse.

So are you from Lancaster or are you really a dirty foreigner?

 

In the UK I mean, not here. We're all mucky here.

[DannyCarlton]

22 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

So are you from Lancaster or are you really a dirty foreigner?

 

In the UK I mean, not here. We're all mucky here.

I was born in Lancaster. My father was born in Spain. His mother was German and he looked very Teutonic. Fair hair, square jaw and steel blue eyes. Had a strong but hard to define accent. At the time he was classified as a stateless person, despite having served in the parachute regiment in WW2 and subsequently as part of the peacekeeking mission to Palestine. Despite having been demobed less than 10 years earlier, he was referred to as a "dirty foreigner" by our Yorkshire neighbours.

 

 

Edited September 28, 2019 by DannyCarlton

[transam]

4 minutes ago, DannyCarlton said:

I was born in Lancaster. My father was born in Spain. His mother was German and he looked very Teutonic. Fair hair, square jaw and steel blue eyes. Had a strong but hard to define accent. At the time he was classified as a stateless person, despite having served in the parachute regiment in WW2 and subsequently as part of the peacekeeking mission to Palestine. Despite having been demobed less than 10 years earlier, he was referred to as a "dirty foreigner" by our Yorkshire neighbours.

 

 

Well some are saying similar derogatory stuff about Brexiteers......

[metisdead]

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[Airbagwill]

1 hour ago, transam said:

But what is there to argue about....?

QED - youdon't even understand the word "argument"

"

[Laughing Gravy]

2 hours ago, NanLaew said:

I wonder what part of Great Britain that pumped-up wee gobshyte hails from?

He is probably one of the posters on here pretending to be British. But seriously this is the type of people telling the UK people you made a mistake in your democratic vote.

 

Like those stood outside parliament day in day out. Friends have told me who have been there, that most of those, don't have a British accent. No surprises.

 

I guess like the online petitions that keep going around that anyone can sign up.

[Laughing Gravy]

18 hours ago, david555 said:

So U.K. better order a few more vessels than the 3 who are now maintaining the fishery  control ….????

Holland, Spain and the others better start getting ready to pay more for their fish or do without.

 

3 vessels is enough when they start blasting them out the water. The message will get home.

[david555]

1 minute ago, Laughing Gravy said:

Holland, Spain and the others better start getting ready to pay more for their fish or do without.

 

3 vessels is enough when they start blasting them out the water. The message will get home.

Oh those 3 will be buzzy to rescue Iranians in the dinghy's  5555 lol and the big ones to escort your ships on the street of Ormuzh on Iran side ...  

[Laughing Gravy]

1 minute ago, david555 said:

Oh those 3 will be buzzy to rescue Iranians in the dinghy's  5555 lol and the big ones to escort your ships on the street of Ormuzh on Iran side ...  

Nah your lot can go and fish in Iranian waters. You better get use to paying more for a a lot of things. Contributions to the EU pot for one.

[david555]

1 minute ago, Laughing Gravy said:

Nah your lot can go and fish in Iranian waters. You better get use to paying more for a a lot of things. Contributions to the EU pot for one.

yes for you all go become cheaper ….if available ? 55555  lol   for once , you did not read your own yellowhammer government document .

 OK. I leave it by here as it is hopeless   bicker further , good luck in that now brexiteers "snake pit "as Boris stealing Farages rhetoric ….and F. don't like it  ….

[david555]

52 minutes ago, Laughing Gravy said:

Nah your lot can go and fish in Iranian waters. You better get use to paying more for a a lot of things. Contributions to the EU pot for one.

So and how many deals are in the pre stadium for the U.K..? Mr. Laughing Gravy

 

https://www.ft.com/content/dd14ce1e-e11d-11e9-9743-db5a370481bc

 

Japan and EU sign deal in riposte to China’s Belt and Road

Ambitious plan aimed at building infrastructure and setting development standards worldwide

Michael Peel in Brussels yesterday

 

The EU and Japan have signed an ambitious deal to build infrastructure and set development standards in joint projects around the world, in a riposte to China’s far-reaching Belt and Road Initiative.The so-called connectivity partnership will cover sectors from transport to digital industries as part of a wider effort to revive multilateral co-operation in the face of the US withdrawal from international agreements such as the Iran nuclear deal and the Paris climate change accord.

 

The agreement was signed in Brussels on Friday by Shinzo Abe, Japan’s prime minister, and Jean-Claude Juncker, European Commission president. It dovetails with EU plans to deploy €60bn to leverage investments of many times that value to improve ties between Europe and Asia.

Edited September 28, 2019 by david555

[Laughing Gravy]

3 minutes ago, david555 said:

So and how many deals are in the pre stadium for the U.K..? Mr. Laughing Gravy

 

https://www.ft.com/content/dd14ce1e-e11d-11e9-9743-db5a370481bc

 

Japan and EU sign deal in riposte to China’s Belt and Road

Ambitious plan aimed at building infrastructure and setting development standards worldwide

Michael Peel in Brussels yesterday

 

The EU and Japan have signed an ambitious deal to build infrastructure and set development standards in joint projects around the world, in a riposte to China’s far-reaching Belt and Road Initiative.The so-called connectivity partnership will cover sectors from transport to digital industries as part of a wider effort to revive multilateral co-operation in the face of the US withdrawal from international agreements such as the Iran nuclear deal and the Paris climate change accord. The agreement was signed in Brussels on Friday by Shinzo Abe, Japan’s prime minister, and Jean-Claude Juncker, European Commission president. It dovetails with EU plans to deploy €60bn to leverage investments of many times that value to improve ties between Europe and Asia.

I thought you were leaving it. Obviously you know  or if not should that you can't make any deals until you leave your precious, protectionist EU.

Come back after the UK has left the EU and you will get a better answer. Got it Mr. David ha ha ha

 

Anyway going to watch the Irish smash Japan in the Rugby.

Edited September 28, 2019 by Laughing Gravy

[transam]

1 minute ago, david555 said:

So and how many deals are in the pre stadium for the U.K..? Mr. Laughing Gravy

 

https://www.ft.com/content/dd14ce1e-e11d-11e9-9743-db5a370481bc

 

Japan and EU sign deal in riposte to China’s Belt and Road

Ambitious plan aimed at building infrastructure and setting development standards worldwide

Michael Peel in Brussels yesterday

 

The EU and Japan have signed an ambitious deal to build infrastructure and set development standards in joint projects around the world, in a riposte to China’s far-reaching Belt and Road Initiative.The so-called connectivity partnership will cover sectors from transport to digital industries as part of a wider effort to revive multilateral co-operation in the face of the US withdrawal from international agreements such as the Iran nuclear deal and the Paris climate change accord. The agreement was signed in Brussels on Friday by Shinzo Abe, Japan’s prime minister, and Jean-Claude Juncker, European Commission president. It dovetails with EU plans to deploy €60bn to leverage investments of many times that value to improve ties between Europe and Asia.

They will end up with their own Jexit when they understand the infrastructure.......????

[david555]

1 minute ago, Laughing Gravy said:

I thought you were leaving it. Obviously you know  or if not should that you can't make any deals until you leave your precious, protectionist EU.

Come back after the UK has left the EU and you will get a better answer. Got it Mr. David ha ha ha

It mentioned PRE Stadium deals talks informal or whatever you can call them...

Coming back after the U.K. has left …. OMG  I don't know if being still alive , even I am in perfect health …, but....  it seems your other half of U.K. has different plans … 55555

 

PS : I just saw that news recently..., and I let you know , I know you would be feel happy for us ….lol 

[sandyf]

3 hours ago, vogie said:

So are you saying that these arguements are the reserve of the Brexiteers, because if you are you are so wrong.

These are the real fascists.

To be wrong I would have had to say something that was wrong, now tell me what I actually said rather than your distorted interpretation.

I have to assume from your comment that you are if fact proud that MPs have to live in fear of their well being.

[vogie]

9 minutes ago, sandyf said:

To be wrong I would have had to say something that was wrong, now tell me what I actually said rather than your distorted interpretation.

I have to assume from your comment that you are if fact proud that MPs have to live in fear of their well being.

You are just stating leavers, when we all know that flak is coming from both sides, more from the remainers if anything.

And please don't put words into my mouth or twist what I have said as per usual.

[sandyf]

7 minutes ago, vogie said:

You are just stating leavers, when we all know that flak is coming from both sides, more from the remainers if anything.

And please don't put words into my mouth or twist what I have said as per usual.

This was my post

"The reality of the divided brexit Britain, hardly something to be proud of."

You said I was wrong so you must be proud.

 

If you are going to comment on what I say, address what I say, not something else.

[vogie]

9 minutes ago, sandyf said:

This was my post

"The reality of the divided brexit Britain, hardly something to be proud of."

You said I was wrong so you must be proud.

 

If you are going to comment on what I say, address what I say, not something else.

That was not your first post on the subject, and all of them pointing out leavers, none mentioning remainers, you are clearly trying to blame the leavers for all this bickering that is going on, if Brexit had been delivered I am pretty sure that we would all be living happy and content lives by now, and not trying to point score by finding isolated cases on the internet. This is another pointless post that you posted, is there any rhyme or reason to it, I can find hundreds of remainers on the internet saying some disgusting things, but what good would it do reposting them, none.

 

5 hours ago, sandyf said:

And this is the direction the divisive language on brexit has created.

 

A serving British Army soldier is under investigation after abusing an MP and threatening “civil war” over Brexit.

Daniel Goshawk called Labour’s Angela Rayner a “stupid b****”, adding: “C***s like you will perish when civil war comes and it’s coming. 17.4 million people are gunning for blood if we don’t leave.”

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/daniel-goshawk-soldier-brexit-civil-war-mp-angela-rayner-a9123921.html

 

A far-right activist and Brexit supporter has been jailed for inciting racial hatred at a series of marches where he branded immigrants and refugees as rapists.

William “Billy” Charlton spoke alongside Tommy Robinson at one of the Sunderland rallies, which were linked to an attack on two Asian men, vandalism and other hate crimes in the area.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/billy-charlton-sunderland-justice-rape-campaign-tommy-robinson-brexit-a9123376.html

Always blame others.

[yogi100]

8 hours ago, kingdong said:

Where's the "ample data" come from? Your mates in the building trade who have never had it so good?

Many of these lefties can trot out the claim that 'immigration benefits the economy' but they can't tell you why or whose economy has been benefited apart from that of employers.

 

More immigrants = more workers = smaller wages = bigger profits.

 

[JamesBlond]

On 9/27/2019 at 3:17 PM, SheungWan said:

National identity. That would be Mr Potato Head, Brexiteer style.
 

I was thinking more like Downton Abbey. You know, British. Before all the immigrants appropriated it for themselves, that is.

[metisdead]

Some more off topic posts and replies have been removed.  Please stay on topic. 

[Loiner]

My wife is from Leeds and prior to retiring to Thailand, used to visit often. great town centre. Kirkgate market should be listed. The finest market in the country.
 
However, I was raised and went to school in a Yorkshire pit village. My father was openly referred to as "the dirty foreigner" and I was refered to, at school, as "the son of the dirty foreigner". The most racist people I've ever come across. They eventually drove us out and the family returned to Lancashire, where we never again were subject to racist abuse.

Yorkshire pit villages are famed for their blunt honesty.

They call a spade a spade, unless it’s a shovel.

[david555]

Michael Savage Policy editor

Sat 28 Sep 2019 17.06 BST

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/sep/28/boris-johnson-backers-benefit-from-no-deal-brexit-inquiry

 

Calls for inquiry into claims Johnson backers benefit from no-deal Brexit

Cabinet secretary urged to look into conflict of interest fears raised by Philip Hammond and Rachel Johnson

 

The UK’s most senior civil servant is under pressure to investigate Boris Johnson’s financial backers following cross-party claims that unnamed individuals stand to benefit from the prime minister’s willingness to pursue a no-deal Brexit.

 

John McDonnell, the shadow chancellor, has written to the cabinet secretary, Sir Mark Sedwill, asking if there may be a conflict of interest in Johnson’s acceptance of support from hedge funds that could gain from an economic shock.

 

Earlier on Saturday, Philip Hammond, the former chancellor, suggested Johnson was pursuing the interests of financial backers set to gain from a no-deal Brexit, in a major escalation of tensions in the prime minister’s own party.Hammond said he was repeating a comment made last week by Rachel Johnson, the prime minister’s sister.

 

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Edited September 28, 2019 by david555